SIO2 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Finally got a label made. I know it is no longer necessary but it is convenient and it feels better having a cart in the console. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 IMG_20180804_201647.jpg Finally got a label made. I know it is no longer necessary but it is convenient and it feels better having a cart in the console. We need someone to construct a simple passthrough adapter with the necessary pins bridged. Then it would work with non-standard pcbs which don't jump electrical ground (minus or 0v) to shield ground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 What amazes me is that for all those years, Atari installed the cart slots in their machines backwards and labeled all those millions of carts upside-down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Which of these things is not like the others? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I'm just guessing, but it could be because Stella by default outputs sound at 31400Hz, which is maybe not a standard sample rate for the capture card. The next major release of Stella will include sound resampling, letting you use either 44.1 or 48 KHz output, which all devices should support. Not that this will help you right now on the R77, of course. Yet another reason to get the latest version of Stella on this device I would imagine that the Retron is using an hdmi driver with a standard sample rate for output, ie 48khz or 44.1khz, regardless of internal sample rate. Depending on how good the scalar is, there might be off color harmonics involved with sampling, especially if it uses nearest neighbor instead of bilinear. Someone asked Kevtris in the fpga forum why the super nt cannot be configured to output at 32khz (native snes sample rate) instead if 48khz, and he said some televisions or audio equipment might not like 32khz. And 32000khz is a lot more standard than 31400. In fact due to the Super NT sampling at 48000khz, the audio produced is higher quality that original hardware. Pcm samples were rendered at 32000khz and upsampled, but the midi instruments and mixing are done at 48khz and with less audio filtering, giving a crisper sound I'm not sure what the internal clock of a TIA is but it's probably in the mhz range and uses a divider to produce audible frequencies. So it could be resampled to match native 48khz output over hdmi, but this would involve rewriting parts of the stella code source. I can see why Stephena is reluctant to rewrite old parts of the codebase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorfcadet Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 whichof.jpg Which of these things is not like the others? LOVE the blue cart and the label the looks right from the Retron77's front angle!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 So it could be resampled to match native 48khz output over hdmi, but this would involve rewriting parts of the stella code source. I can see why Stephena is reluctant to rewrite old parts of the codebase. Not just reluctant, but nearly impossible at this point. Just in non-sound stuff alone, the differences in Stella 3.x and 5.x are huge. With the next release, we're bumping the number to 6.0, since the changes internally are so great. I suspect the difference between 3.x and the upcoming 6.x is approx. half the code has been rewritten (of a 230,000 LOC codebase). The sound improvements coming up are huge, and are based on Crispy's analysis done in his FPGA work and creating HDMI output for that device. It includes cycle-exact audio, and resampling to 44100, 48000 or 96000 Hz. And several different sampling algorithms too (include both simple/fast one and a slow/accurate Lanczos-based one). This will solve all such issues on the R77, once the latest versions of Stella can run there. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlock76 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 are the gemini controlers compatible with retron 77 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 are the gemini controlers compatible with retron 77 ? unfortunately no. They have built in paddles so joystick control is disabled unfortnately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan88 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 whichof.jpg Which of these things is not like the others? Love the Tac2 joysticks! I have a set and they have lasted longer then any other model I've used. Hyperkin could learn a thing or two about making quality joysticks if they had one of those! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 So, Retron 77 is over a month old now. Released on the 7th of July (anniversary of ... Roswell NM crash). Possible extra terrestrial involvement? Ancient alien theorists say yup. Before Roswell = no video games. After Roswell = video games (eventually). I think that also explains why there was only one button on the original joystick. You don't want to know what the aliens pressed that button with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuOhQ Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 So, Retron 77 is over a month old now. Released on the 7th of July (anniversary of ... Roswell NM crash). Possible extra terrestrial involvement? Ancient alien theorists say yup. Before Roswell = no video games. After Roswell = video games (eventually). I think that also explains why there was only one button on the original joystick. You don't want to know what the aliens pressed that button with. I like this theory haha. I'm enjoying the Retron 77 immensely, and I'm glad to see that the community is working towards making it a better, more compatible, product! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolcrab Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I like this theory haha. I'm enjoying the Retron 77 immensely, and I'm glad to see that the community is working towards making it a better, more compatible, product! And hyperkin themselves! I hope that they are not done with updates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 And hyperkin themselves! I hope that they are not done with updates. I doubt they are. I have a good friend who is a fairly well known Youtube personality that beta tests for them. They are very small, and their communication is... poor. But they will generally push out (generally with no warning) a couple of updates to most of their products. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolcrab Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I doubt they are. I have a good friend who is a fairly well known Youtube personality that beta tests for them. They are very small, and their communication is... poor. But they will generally push out (generally with no warning) a couple of updates to most of their products. That would be great. I think that an updated Stella for the new batch would work wonders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro Butcher Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) Can any forum member help me? I want to record the Remo image on an SD card but can not find a 128mb card, until the SD card memory size of the Retron 77 is accepted? Edited August 13, 2018 by Sandro Butcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Can any forum member help me? I want to record the Remo image on an SD card but can not find a 128mb card, until the SD card memory size of the Retron 77 is accepted? You should be able to use larger microSD cards with the image - the one in my Retron 77 is currently 2GB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro Butcher Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 You should be able to use larger microSD cards with the image - the one in my Retron 77 is currently 2GB. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotube Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I've been having so much trouble with Activision games on my Retron 77, like many others. My Kaboom! isn't playing nice which is a mega bummer. I cleaned this thing probably TOO much, and it's still not working. Are there techniques for getting the pins to "bite" tighter? I suspect the board thinness is to blame. Is anyone doing anything extreme like flowing solder onto the board connectors or anything else to try to expand the thickness? That seems like it wouldn't work well, but it's a thought. Wondering if anyone has found some reliable technique. I have been reading so many posts about Activision games and most of them just recommend cleaning and sometimes using abrasives to a lesser degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I've been having so much trouble with Activision games on my Retron 77, like many others. My Kaboom! isn't playing nice which is a mega bummer. I cleaned this thing probably TOO much, and it's still not working. Are there techniques for getting the pins to "bite" tighter? I suspect the board thinness is to blame. Is anyone doing anything extreme like flowing solder onto the board connectors or anything else to try to expand the thickness? That seems like it wouldn't work well, but it's a thought. Wondering if anyone has found some reliable technique. I have been reading so many posts about Activision games and most of them just recommend cleaning and sometimes using abrasives to a lesser degree. I would recommend one of these to solve all your Retron 77 issues 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamchevy Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I would recommend one of these to solve all your Retron 77 issues Makes me glad I spent my money on a 5200 instead. The problem is that I still want one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) I've been having so much trouble with Activision games on my Retron 77, like many others. My Kaboom! isn't playing nice which is a mega bummer. I cleaned this thing probably TOO much, and it's still not working. Are there techniques for getting the pins to "bite" tighter? I suspect the board thinness is to blame. Is anyone doing anything extreme like flowing solder onto the board connectors or anything else to try to expand the thickness? That seems like it wouldn't work well, but it's a thought. Wondering if anyone has found some reliable technique. I have been reading so many posts about Activision games and most of them just recommend cleaning and sometimes using abrasives to a lesser degree. Yeah, don't over clean it. If the contacts are shine reasonably well, that is all you can do. If you over did it or just want to rebuild the cart - I found the PCB offered by 8bitclassics.com to be thicker than normal. Also, you could make an empty kaboom cart and stick it in the Retron 77 while you run the rom. Don't go the wood chipper route, you don't want to dull your blades. Just kidding Edited August 18, 2018 by SIO2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Wondering if anyone has found some reliable technique. I have been reading so many posts about Activision games and most of them just recommend cleaning and sometimes using abrasives to a lesser degree. For some of the difficult cases some folks report success with partially inserting the carts. Otherwise just go load the Community Build and load the rom from microSD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) https://hyperkinlab.com/retron-77-hd-gaming-console-for-2600-hyperkin/ OUT OF STOCK! If you waited too long.... there is always this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hyperkin-Retron-77/302848950406?hash=item4683344086:g:9M0AAOSwwpZbd1FQ Not my auction by the way. Back off haters! Just back off! Honestly, I use my Retron 77 much more than I ever expected. Edited August 18, 2018 by SIO2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I suspect the haters hate because they want to see a product that can potentially be improved actually BE improved. They hate when it's left to languish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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