cybercylon Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 And the crickets continue to chirp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpatte02 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I hope this come to fruition, because it could be a nice alternative for those who like to collect games, but are not tech savvy to work on old machines if and when they break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 To recap: Most folks here want this to use the latest version of Stella, which would require Hyperkin to share their code (or get permission from lots and lots of people not to), which Hyperkin appears reluctant to do for Reasons, which means they are most likely using an older version of Stella, but most people here want them to use the latest version, which means Hyperkin would have to share their code, which they seem reluctant to do for Reasons, so they're using an older version of Stella, but most people here want them to use the latest version, and that brings us up to page 33. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I like your circular argument there. Hyperkind going round and round like a tornado, down the toilet as with your avatar (which is inventive and cool btw). I still hope the Retron77 comes to fruition though. Pitfall II will be the lithmus test. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 ...which would require Hyperkin to share their code (or get permission from lots and lots of people not to)As it has been explained multiples times here this is not correct. Those requirements only become valid for any changes they make to the Stella code. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I was contacted after expressing a desire to play test. I explained how we are still pushing the system way beyond its intended use with techniques like illegal opcodes, Bus Stuffing, DPC+ Hardware assist, Cart RAM, larger ROM banks, etc. Unless they use around Stella 3.9.3 or newer, DPC+ games will not work. That one email reply was the last I heard from Retron77. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoBatman Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) I explained how we are still pushing the system way beyond its intended use with techniques like illegal opcodes, Bus Stuffing, DPC+ Hardware assist, Cart RAM, larger ROM banks, etc. You lost me a little bit on this part. You mean, They explained how they were still... or that they gave you a unit to play test and you explained your findings of the system... How long ago was this? Edited September 23, 2017 by TokyoBatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 You lost me a little bit on this part. You mean, They explained how they were still... or that they gave you a unit to play test and you explained your findings of the system... How long ago was this? It was back when the guy from Retron posted here, I emailed him asking to be a beta tester, saying how I use Atari 2600 and what this community creates and that I have carts from 2K to 64K, that I know how the real hardware operates, oh and also the 10 or so games that got real Trak-Ball control added. His reply email confirmed I would be a good candidate to test, and he would tell the hardware team that the ports should work with Trak-Ball controllers. No other emails followed. No hardware was ever sent. And as most of this thread says, no new information since that Retron guy made 2 posts here (as far as I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoBatman Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 It was back when the guy from Retron posted here, I emailed him asking to be a beta tester, saying how I use Atari 2600 and what this community creates and that I have carts from 2K to 64K, that I know how the real hardware operates, oh and also the 10 or so games that got real Trak-Ball control added. His reply email confirmed I would be a good candidate to test, and he would tell the hardware team that the ports should work with Trak-Ball controllers. No other emails followed. No hardware was ever sent. And as most of this thread says, no new information since that Retron guy made 2 posts here (as far as I know). Thanks for the clarification. I'm excited about the product. Hope they can get it sorted. They may be focusing on the SNES stuff thinking it'll be the bigger money maker. Not sure,but keeping my fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I don't think there's anything technically impossible about making a good retron 77 unit. There's internal politics and bickering. An who knows they might go after the snes for extra profit. The NES and SNES were far more popular then the VCS anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I don't think there's anything technically impossible about making a good retron 77 unit. There's internal politics and bickering. An who knows they might go after the snes for extra profit. The NES and SNES were far more popular then the VCS anyways. NES was only about twice as popular during it's time as the Atari VCS/2600, based on actual sales data. NES = 60 million units. Atari VCS/2600 = 30 million units. That is still a pretty big market size. But popularity back in the day does not directly correlate to popularity now. Currently there are probably about ten Nintendo collectors for every Atari collector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Yes. That's kinda what I was getting at. SNES'n'NES machines gotta be outnumbering VCS by about a billion to one in today's market. That's ok. As genuine classic gamers we have our favs and yet like them all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 A billion to one? Poor Atari. Dang you make the powerball odds look good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Well they already do NES/SNES with other RetroNs... So Now we Atari Fans can hope and pray they do this one right... My thought is this. There is no way in Hell this thing is gonna play Pitfall II....I'd be very surprised if most Homebrews work with it...And there's no way in **What's more dramatic than Hell? But I already used that one....Damn thesaurus is no good either... hmmm...)**... Let's just say It's not gonna work with the Harmony Cart either! OK Hyperkin... Prove Me Wrong!!! Please, I'd really dig it if you'd prove me wrong! I mean yes the Average Joe will buy it either way...And yes we Atari Age fans are a fickle group...Hard to please too...But I figure if you're going to be making this anyway. And without That much more effort, you have the chance to really do it right..Creating an instant classic...Creating new customers for future products, Creating the Cadillac of the RetroN line, Gaining more street cred than you know what to do with...Well, Why wouldn't you? Edited September 25, 2017 by GoldLeader 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If Pitfall II doesn't work, the Retron goes in a blender! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Will it blend? Crazy YouTube show. Liked the neodinum (so?) Magnets one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Again, I was told an update would be on their facebook "soon". This was from an email several months ago. I'm sure they peek at this thread and the silence is deafening. They are saying volumes by saying nothing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Again, I was told an update would be on their facebook "soon". This was from an email several months ago. I'm sure they peek at this thread and the silence is deafening. They are saying volumes by saying nothing. Didn't you like the word "soon" from your parents when you were a kid? It could mean anything like tomorrow, next week, next month, February 30th when both suns are eclipsed, etc. No different meaning here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Didn't you like the word "soon" from your parents when you were a kid? It could mean anything like tomorrow, next week, next month, February 30th when both suns are eclipsed, etc. No different meaning here. In other words, Hyperkin, like parents, are liars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The latest update that I got is still no update: Hi Jeremy, We don't have any further updates for the RetroN 77! Keep checking our social media for updates on any of our ongoing projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 You think they'd have done SOMETHING between the last update and today. Maybe they're dropping because they say, "Keep checking our social media for updates on any of our ongoing projects." If R77 was still work in progress they would have left out the "any ongoing projects" part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I thought that as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Karl G Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 If there is a legal issue, then they may not be allowed to comment until that has been ironed-out or until the project is scrapped. If it has been scrapped for sure, then there would be no reason not to say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Well couldn't they come here (or there) and say work is still ongoing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 If they cancel it, people will be upset. If they release a buggy emulator, that doesn't work with Pitfall II much less melody games, people will be upset. If they violate GPLv3 and release a closed source unauthorized Stella port, people will be upset. If they fart into the breeze, people downwind will smell it. Hyperkin will basically lose face on this no matter what they do. Sad too because I really wanted this to exist. Somethig is better than nothing. If nothing else just release the e3 prototype as is already, geeze... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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