Mathy Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hello guys After drooling over AtariMax's "SIO2PC Universal USB DUAL SIO Jacks", I finally bought one a couple of month ago. Without noticing that AtariMax doesn't seem to have Mac software available. So now the question is: How do I get this to work on the iMac (running High Sierra public beta 2)? Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Have you tried it under WINE or in CrossOver? Alternately you could use a Windows machine running inside VirtualBox or something. I've used APE/ProSystem via WINE on my Mac several years ago but getting the COM: port setup was a bit tricky - I had to create a symlink named "COM2" or something that pointing to the /dev/ttyUSB entry that my SIO2USB device identified itself as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman I bought my first iMac years ago for one reason: So I would never ever again have to use anything Microsoft made, in my spare time. So no, I have never used anything to run Windows on my iMac and will never ever do so. Sincerely Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman I bought my first iMac years ago for one reason: So I would never ever again have to use anything Microsoft made, in my spare time. So no, I have never used anything to run Windows on my iMac and will never ever do so. Sincerely Mathy That's all fine and good, Mathy, but having purchased Windows-only software, you're kind of stuck with what you got. WINE or CrossOver should work, as it did when I used it several years back and of course, WINE = WINE Is Not an Emulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman I didn't intend to buy Windows software, I wanted the hardware. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman I didn't intend to buy Windows software, I wanted the hardware. Sincerely Mathy You are out of luck then, I think. I believe Steve's devices are hardware-locked to use APE only and cannot use a generic software like RespeQt, AspeQt or SIO2OSX (which I believe has been non-functional since Sierra last year). I might be wrong about that, but someone else will know for sure. If I'm correct, you need to contact Steve and see if he will accept a return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The USB drivers are windows only proprietary. You could however build a tradition sio2pc serial with a USB to serial board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargie Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hey Mathy, I downloaded the Ape Trial software and used WineBottler to make a version you can execute on the Mac just by double clicking the icon... Download the file at the link and unzip it. Then double click on it and Ape will run. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0B91IEsk-0OSTJvWThVVzlkcjg/view?usp=sharing I can confirm this bit works but you will likely have to configure it for your hardware (which I cannot test). I hope this works! Best, Sarge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman I believe Steve's devices are hardware-locked to use APE only and cannot use a generic software ... Isn't this the Atari 8 bit scene? The one once famous for its tendency to remove, bypass, disable whatever made it impossible to use certain pieces of software on certain pieces of hardware? Sincerely Mathy (who's looking for volunteers ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hello DrVenkman Isn't this the Atari 8 bit scene? The one once famous for its tendency to remove, bypass, disable whatever made it impossible to use certain pieces of software on certain pieces of hardware? Sincerely Mathy (who's looking for volunteers ) I have APE and it works fine with the FTDI solutions. I have a "sloopy" SIO2PC and use APE with it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I have APE and it works fine with the FTDI solutions. I have a "sloopy" SIO2PC and use APE with it all the time. It's not APE that's the issue - I believe it's Steve's HARDWARE that's locked to APE (or so I have heard elseswhere on these boards - personally I have a device from He Who Shall Not Be Named before he went and lost it and got himself banned). Works with APE; works with AspeQt; works with RespeQt; worked with SIO2OSX (there was a sweet piece of kit) before Sierra broke it and the author abandoned it) ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 IIRC Steve used an alternative VID/PID for his device. On Linux you can override this. Connect the device, run lsusb to see what VID/PID he used, unplug the device, modprobe ftdio_sio and echo $VID $PID > /sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/ftdi_sio/new_id Plug the device back in and it should show up as /dev/ttyUSB0 I'm pretty sure something like this is possible under MacOS X. Or you could set the vid/pid back to the default values with FT_PROG (http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Utilities.htm#FT_PROG) or ft232r_prog (http://rtr.ca/ft232r/) after which the official ftdi drivers should work. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+skr Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Mathy, that would be interesting for me too, but I do not have the AtariMax Hardware. Please bring it to Fujiama, I´d like to check ivop´s hint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rdemming Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The AtariMax USB2SIO is not a generic (FTDI) serial<>USB device but a custom design using a 48 MHz MPU running its own software/firmware. It does not expose itself as a generic COM port but has its own custom programming interface (that's why AspeQt/RespeQt can't use it). So it needs the AtariMax drivers to work which are unfortunately only available for Windows. To make the interface work under native MAC, Steve would have to create MAC drivers for his device and make a MAC version of APE. To make it work with AspecQt/RespeQt, those applications would then need to support the AtariMax SIO2USB native programming interface. Unfortunately the programming interface is AFAIK not documented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 You're right. I was thinking of atariwarez's device. That one used an alternate vid/pid for its ftd232. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I have a related question -- Are there any USB<--> SIO devices that work with a Mac without running some type of converter? And will they work at greater than 3X? Just curious. -Larry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I have a related question -- Are there any USB<--> SIO devices that work with a Mac without running some type of converter? And will they work at greater than 3X? Just curious. -Larry Yes. Lotharek’s device should work as will any other generic FTDI-based board. You can even build one yourself. I recommend running RespeQT (native OSX builds available). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Running it under Wine does not mean you're running Windows on your Mac.... Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Anyone know if BestBuy's Insignia usb to serial cable Model: NS-PU99501 has a working chip in it for SIo2PC? I need to buy one anyone for doing console diagnostics at work but wanted to make sure I could use it for other purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Answer my own question.. Looks like it uses the prolific chip. boo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Hi togther! To shorten this up. Mark, the author of the Atari800MacX emulator, has solved this. Please see here: http://www.atarimac.com/sio2osx.php Therefore, in a nutshell, buy: http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-232MINI.html and use the driver from: https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm and it should work. Please take into account, FTDI is vital for data transfer with a Mac. There are chips out there in the galaxy, where FTDI is painted on the chip, but not inside... :-( Edited November 27, 2018 by luckybuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcamp48 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I just got an AtariMax, the Complete USB starter Kit with software.... did I waste my money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I just got an AtariMax, the Complete USB starter Kit with software.... did I waste my money? If you own a Mac, and you won't consider running the software under Wine, then yes, you wasted your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Hello Mathy- How did this turn out for you, since a couple of years have passed? Did Steve take a return? Did you "bend" your anti-Windows rules? Or -- something else? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Wow... refusing to use Wine in order to allow a Windows app to run on their MAC simply because they have a Microsoft vendetta is rather amusing, as well as needlessly limiting. This reminds me of someone on here that also said they wouldn't use a PS/2 keyboard on their Atari because of it's IBM heritage. I thought with old age we left all of this pettiness behind us, but I guess I was dreaming . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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