Intellivision High Score Club 9# ?

[m-crew]

Who did the last one? Jakob zuzu? Probably butchered his AA name.

I think there's a couple of 7s missing !!!!

[JoeM_Intellivision]

Ignorama,

Me, my brother-in-law & my 2 nieces ages 7 & 9 were disqualified from Carol competition in 2013 and accused of cheating which was completely not true! I didn't need to cheat in order to win 1st place in 2nd category which I think was Ranger. And my two nieces also never cheated as I took all appropriate pics of our scores. dZ requested a video of my nieces playing at 8pm on New Year's Eave because he couldn't believe that a 9-year old improved her score from 650 to like 950 or something like that. My brother-in-law wasn't about to allow me to submit a video of his daughter playing the game at the 11th hour based on his unfounded accusations. All dZ's BS talk about game being for kids and blah blah and that's how he acts? I wasn't going to tolerate his BS nonsense and told him off and he disqualified my entire family. Anyone can believe what they want don't care as I know the truth and defended myself and my poor nieces one of which legitimately won a patch she never received as I never received my 2 patches or mug either - we'll all live lol. Not sure if anyone else was disqualified but the 4 of us were and I'm not sure how you can even cheat to begin with as I took all requested pics playing on real haedware. That should clarify any questions about that issue. Thanks.

[Intymike]

Ignorama,

Me, my brother-in-law & my 2 nieces ages 7 & 9 were disqualified from Carol competition in 2013 and accused of cheating which was completely not true! I didn't need to cheat in order to win 1st place in 2nd category which I think was Ranger. And my two nieces also never cheated as I took all appropriate pics of our scores. dZ requested a video of my nieces playing at 8pm on New Year's Eave because he couldn't believe that a 9-year old improved her score from 650 to like 950 or something like that. My brother-in-law wasn't about to allow me to submit a video of his daughter playing the game at the 11th hour based on his unfounded accusations. All dZ's BS talk about game being for kids and blah blah and that's how he acts? I wasn't going to tolerate his BS nonsense and told him off and he disqualified my entire family. Anyone can believe what they want don't care as I know the truth and defended myself and my poor nieces one of which legitimately won a patch she never received as I never received my 2 patches or mug either - we'll all live lol. Not sure if anyone else was disqualified but the 4 of us were and I'm not sure how you can even cheat to begin with as I took all requested pics playing on real haedware. That should clarify any questions about that issue. Thanks.

 

 

[m-crew]

Ignorama,

Me, my brother-in-law & my 2 nieces ages 7 & 9 were disqualified from Carol competition in 2013 and accused of cheating which was completely not true! I didn't need to cheat in order to win 1st place in 2nd category which I think was Ranger. And my two nieces also never cheated as I took all appropriate pics of our scores. dZ requested a video of my nieces playing at 8pm on New Year's Eave because he couldn't believe that a 9-year old improved her score from 650 to like 950 or something like that. My brother-in-law wasn't about to allow me to submit a video of his daughter playing the game at the 11th hour based on his unfounded accusations. All dZ's BS talk about game being for kids and blah blah and that's how he acts? I wasn't going to tolerate his BS nonsense and told him off and he disqualified my entire family. Anyone can believe what they want don't care as I know the truth and defended myself and my poor nieces one of which legitimately won a patch she never received as I never received my 2 patches or mug either - we'll all live lol. Not sure if anyone else was disqualified but the 4 of us were and I'm not sure how you can even cheat to begin with as I took all requested pics playing on real haedware. That should clarify any questions about that issue. Thanks.

So sorry for the kids... double :(

[JoeM_Intellivision]

Thanks guys:)

[Ignorama]

Heard your story, heard a different one, can't say which one is true. But my smallest violin of the world is reserved for you.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Ignorama

[JoeM_Intellivision]

Ignorama believe what you want - if you heard my story then next time have the guys to confront me by name you coward. I reserve a nice **** you to you!

[Ignorama]

I did not even remember who it was, so I could not have mentioned it But your reaction speaks for itself. And if you let me believe what I want, why insult me? Its so rude, I am really hurt :'(

[JoeM_Intellivision]

Your comments say a lot more about you. I'll put my reputation against yours any day. You got anything more to say then PM don't mean to clog this thread with this nonsense.

[Ignorama]

I am not interessted in PMing you and I don't need to put my reputation on the line. In fact the judges back then thought you had cheated and disqualified you. That the the only fact we know. What really happened is just impossible to say for us and you should know that. I can't see any sense in saying "oh, poor Joe" when I just can't know if you cheated or not. What I remember: The person who was blamed for cheating claimed DZ back that he ruined the Christmas for a little child and what a bad guy this must be. That was the point when I took a side back then, because such statement is completely ridicoulous. DZ offered a free to join Challenge with awesome prizes, so he has to make sure that its a fair competion and if something is fishy he has to do something. If it was a mistake its bad for you, yeah, but you should also understand his point of view.

 

And in fact this fits perfect in this topic, because it underlines why I am against prizes. If we put anything on the line we have to guarantee that no one cheats and that is nearly impossible. That was the whole point and no one even mentioned (I wonder if anyone else even remembered the accident) your name. It was never about you, it was about something completely different.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Ignorama

[JoeM_Intellivision]

I never asked you to say "poor Joe" or to take sides - I got real life shit just like everyone else. But when you don't know the story don't open your mouth & tell me you have the smallest violin in the world for me! With regards to dZ & onpetition, what he did was wrong period and he did make a little girl cry - real tough guy lol. Maybe you don't have kids or nieces/nephews. But spare me the crap about doings contests with prizes nothing wrong with them but you should also honor your word if doing them. There was nothing fishy other than me introducing his game to 3 family members and him not honoring his word. Whatever man he's an *** and I'm not.

[Ignorama]

I just mentioned that case back than not even remembering who was the guy, you came up and needed to explain you. Check your facts. And when you showed up here I remembered that heartbreaking story about a evil DZ who ruined Christmas for a poor little child. Sorry man, but I use my right to not believe you that.

 

And as I said, I also read the other side. And since you need to insult everyone who is not on your side I stick with my choice from the past.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Ignorama

[Ignorama]

Albert not answered yet, I will wait a bit more, but it feels like a "No". Maybe he is just busy and not read the mail yet, dunno.

[m-crew]

Albert not answered yet, I will wait a bit more, but it feels like a "No". Maybe he is just busy and not read the mail yet, dunno.

Hopefully you get an answere either way.

[scalpel]

Its completely wrong. I mentioned Monty Python (completely messed it up) and ment Douglas Adams Shame on me.

 

I don't know if I am suitable, because I can't guarantee that I have time and in fact that is the most important thing. Nothing ruins a challenge like dead threads and waiting times. I could try it, but that would mean a short round (maximum 10 rounds) and also more strict rules than in the past. For example no entry without a screen shot (no exceptions, even of the score is completely unamazing) and also nothing like "choose your own difficulty".

 

I would prefer someone else to do that job, but if no one does I would ask Albert (because I need the rights to edit threads as long as the contest goes). Another point is my language, because I understand you guys pretty well, but I am also aware that I often have problems to say what I want to say Its maybe pretty difficult if I need to explain certain rules.

 

Lets wait some days if someone else has the passion to do that. If not I would try my best if you want me to do that and if Albert allows it.

 

 

Do it Ignorama

I will be happy you organize the next HSC with new rules

 

Let's go for fun

[Kabeka]

First of all there is no doubt that you are an amazing player, Ignorama.

 

I have followed some of the high score competitions and was really impressed with some of your scores.

 

This being said, very often the players who win the competition are those that are the most CONSTANT, that are good at many if not all the games in the competition. So yes, sometimes the winners may not have been the best at all games, but still managed to get decent scores on all games, which in itself is quite a feat!

 

I agree with you that rules should be clear. I remember that at times all of the sudden the games got an extention for no apparent reason at all, that rules changed mid-game etc... Deadlines and game settings should be respected to keep the competition fair (unless there is a real emergency of course!)

 

As for the point system, I don't think yours would work to tell you the truth.

It is of the utmost importance to keep the competition interesting and first and foremost FUN! The point here is to replay old games and try to excel at them while having FUN with other members of AA. I don't think that everybody's aim is to get the title perse. With the old formula 1 scoring system there would be gaps too soon between the top 3 and the rest of the players and thus you would end up only having a competition between a couple of people and other players might not even bother playing the games at all. Remember people have jobs and are busy, so they are making an effort to take the time to play the games. Thus maybe the gap between points should be a bit smaller. Just my 2 cents.

 

Scalpel's idea of prizes sounds like a good incentive 😊

Personally, I don't understand why people would cheat to get say a patch...They are just undermining themselves...

[Ignorama]

The reality is, that it will be a fight between a couple of players, no matter what scoring system we use. There were about 2 or 3 amibitous players in the past and they made a huge gap to the rest of the players, so I don't see the point, it never stopped people participating just for fun, even if they always made low scorings. That is the reason why I wanted the scoring system for the amibitious players to be more fair

Edited October 7, 2017 by Ignorama

[m-crew]

First of all there is no doubt that you are an amazing player, Ignorama.

 

I have followed some of the high score competitions and was really impressed with some of your scores.

 

This being said, very often the players who win the competition are those that are the most CONSTANT, that are good at many if not all the games in the competition. So yes, sometimes the winners may not have been the best at all games, but still managed to get decent scores on all games, which in itself is quite a feat!

 

I agree with you that rules should be clear. I remember that at times all of the sudden the games got an extention for no apparent reason at all, that rules changed mid-game etc... Deadlines and game settings should be respected to keep the competition fair (unless there is a real emergency of course!)

 

As for the point system, I don't think yours would work to tell you the truth.

It is of the utmost importance to keep the competition interesting and first and foremost FUN! The point here is to replay old games and try to excel at them while having FUN with other members of AA. I don't think that everybody's aim is to get the title perse. With the old formula 1 scoring system there would be gaps too soon between the top 3 and the rest of the players and thus you would end up only having a competition between a couple of people and other players might not even bother playing the games at all. Remember people have jobs and are busy, so they are making an effort to take the time to play the games. Thus maybe the gap between points should be a bit smaller. Just my 2 cents.

 

Scalpel's idea of prizes sounds like a good incentive

Personally, I don't understand why people would cheat to get say a patch...They are just undermining themselves...

I must agree with Kebeka statements about, On the matter of scoring, The good players will always be on the top of the scoring board no matter the point system.. But like it was mentioned the players that are in the middle of the pack my not want to play once the spread gets to a ridiculous amount.

[m-crew]

The reality is, that it will be a fight between a couple of players, no matter what scoring system we use. There were about 2 or 3 amibitous players in the past and they made a huge gap to the rest of the players, so I don't see the point, it never stopped people participating just for fun, even if they always made low scorings. That is the reason why I wanted the scoring system for the amibitious players to be more fair

your right on that !!!! but you can really cater a competition on two or three players.. If so why not make a playoff system that after the Regular Season.. that the top players have to play for.

[Ignorama]

Well, if you think about the system again the gap between 2nd and 3rd to the 8th is smaller in my system than it was in the old one. The 2nd got 9 points back then, the 8th 3. So he looses 6 points. In my system the gap would be 5. Of course other positions have a different calculation. Old system 2nd and 6th had a gap of 4, in my system it would be 5.

 

But consider that: 10/6/4 also motivates if you are good at one specific game, because you can cut the gap much better with single good results. So I understand your concerns, but if you calculate different scenarios you quickly see that most changes just affekt the Top 3 players, while nothing really changes for players you are often in the midfield or below.

 

 

Edit: And I will definitely not join a buy-in competition with prizes. I explained why and it will take a lot of fun away and will ad a lot of salt

Edited October 7, 2017 by Ignorama

[DZ-Jay]

Really, they were some cheaters on the Christmas Challenges ?????

 

No, as far as I know, there were no cheaters, at least not one who won anything. The winners were actually verified to be really, really good players and their scores legit.

 

There were people who were very good players who may have not played at their full potential in order to get a lower-level patch. However, this is hardly cheating, although not very nice since it goes against the spirit of the competition.

 

In any case, the whole point of the Carol vs. The World Championship was for everyone to have fun, and in that it succeeded immensely.

 

-dZ.

Edited October 17, 2017 by DZ-Jay

[DZ-Jay]

For what it's worth, here are my thoughts on a new HSC:

• It would be awesome!
• The rules should be very clear, and well designed to actually judge merit and skill on a particular game. That means that for some games it will be a high-score, on others it may be the highest level acquired, or maybe rank or whatever.
• If there is a single judge, he should be someone people accept as a fair and level-headed member of our community.
• Be very transparent. Let people ask questions for clarification, and answer everything as candidly as possible.
• When in doubt, a moderator should be involved in judging for a final ruling.
• If you make it hard for people to participate, they won't. Keep the rules simple and don't over think them. Most people play for fun and really dedicated cheaters are almost impossible to catch, so why ruin it for the rest.
• If you allow emulation play (and why not?), require photo of screen, not screenshot.
• Prizes are good and rewards superior players. However, be aware that if you offer prizes, you will open up the contest to many more people and attract those who just want to get free stuff, or collect "anything Intellivision." This changes the dynamics for everyone since it is no longer about "fun." (It doesn't matter how cheap and trivial the prize is, some people are very weird and would do almost anything to get something for free.)
• Personally, I wouldn't offer prizes, I would create a leaderboard and give credit and recognition to winners.

 

The most important lesson I learned during my years running the Christmas Carol challenge was this: in a small community like ours, with people from various parts of the world, different cultures and backgrounds, and diverse motivations; there is no such thing as "control." There is only the illusion of control. If someone really wants to cheat and is willing to tamper with his submission or bribe the judge, or do whatever to win a prize, there is absolutely no way to stop him.

 

All ways that you can think of will either not work, or require a level of policing that is distasteful, cumbersome, difficult, and decidedly not fun. In all cases, it ruins it for the good guys who are the ones you want to help.

 

So you should either:

1. Let go of the illusion of control and make things simple for everyone. Make the rules very clear and unambiguous, but make sure they are easy to follow. Most people will do the right thing, and those who want to cheat can't ruin it for everyone.
2. Design the competition around your core audience: Remove prizes from the equation and in doing so, the motivation and appeal to those who just want that. After all, people play the HSC because they want to play with their friends. Those are the guys you want to attract.

And finally, don't forget... HAVE FUN!

 

-dZ.

[m-crew]

Design the competition around your core audience: Remove prizes from the equation and in doing so, the motivation and appeal to those who just want that. After all, people play the HSC because they want to play with their friends. Those are the guys you want to attract.

And finally, don't forget... HAVE FUN!

 

 

 

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[m-crew]

I m wondering has Ignorama gotten the go ahead yet to run HSC#9? He has offered to run it if no one else would. There are a few of us that have already shown interest. Just curious that's all. Weather is getting colder out , it would be a great time of year to start a mini set as Ignorama stated...

 

 

 

Cheers.

[m-crew]

Bump -Any News Ignorama???

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo

 

Of not I'm wondering why?

Even an explanation why or why not would be nice.