xyz378537 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hello, I have just bought an SIO2SD device because the floppy with my favorite games got damaged. I have a question - is it possible to copy my real disks to .ATR files, so when they will get damaged i could re-write them. My Atari is an 800 XL and my disk drive is 1050. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMenard Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Depends if they're copy protected or not. You could always install a Happy mod in your 1050 or you could try the many already cracked .atr of your games that you can find on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 buy a bit writer.... that will do it... in the absence of that.... grab the images from the preservation threads... lastly try vapi, atx .pro imaging, and there is kryoflux, a8rawonv... search them out and you will find even more options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 I don't think that they are copy protected, but I'm not sure. buy a bit writer What is a bit writer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bob1200xl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I assume that a disk with 'games' on it is not copy protected. So, all you need to do is create a disk in APE (90K SD, probably) and sector copy your real disk onto it. This is how I do it on a SIO2USB adaptor. A SIO2SD may be different - anyone? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) I've used ape to copy to the sio2sd but I've also just copied directly to the sd card with the x86 and copied with just Atari from floppy/hard disks to the sio2sd as well. Of course not copy protected Edited December 5, 2017 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchorvat Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) started and almost completed very similar project myself (800XL, XF551). copying few hundreds diskettes from my archive to ATR files. What worked best for me was to use sio2usb (http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=98), hooked it to notebook and run Aspeqt on Windows (or Respeqt on Linux/Raspberry PI). Then just run sector copy like copy2000 (supports 320k and Quad density disks). Worked like a charm. It's inexpensive (20EUR for sio2usb) and very effective solution. Edited December 5, 2017 by mchorvat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) Thank you all for your suggestions. I will try them out tomorrow. Edited December 5, 2017 by xyz378537 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 My disks are copy protected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That makes things more complicated and more expensive. Cheapest solution is to download cracked versions. This would still require an SIO2PC or some other server device to get the images over to the Atari. If you want to copy the protected disks, then you need to make APE .PRO images using APE software. Or if you're good with copying to backup floppies, maybe the best overall solution is to purchase a Happy Drive internal mod for your 1050. IMO this is a better solution than PRO images, plus you get a nice improvement for your 1050. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 I have some kind of mod on my 1050. It is called 1050 TOP DRIVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhawk668 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Another option is to create empty ATR disk images, copy them to the SD card. Connect the 1050 drive to the 800XL and daisychain the SIO2SD behind the 1050. Mount the empty ATR image on D2: In this case the 1050 is D1:, the SIO2SD is D2:. This should make it possible to copy a disk to an ATR. With a stock 1050 only single (90 KB) density and medium (127 KB) density is possible. With an XF551 double density disks should be possible. But, as people have mentioned here, downloading cracked versions of the games would be much easier. As you have an SIO2SD, just create a directory with the name Atari on your SD card and copy the ATR files in that directory. Then you should be able to mount those ATR files on your SIO2SD and load them at turbo speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 i wanted to do something like this but I don't have a sector copy floppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+skr Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 i wanted to do something like this but I don't have a sector copy floppy. Do you have a freezer? There is a way to create copies with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 I have a freezer. But what am I supposed to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I have a freezer. But what am I supposed to do with it? Put your beer in it for about 45 minutes. It gets it good and cold really quick!! Sorry, could not resist. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 OK. I found a program called MyCopyR 2.1. It is a sector copier. First on Sio2SD i select D1 and choose MyCopyR. Then I set the 1050 to be D2. I start the 800XL with OPTION key, then load MyCopyR then I set the SIO2SD to be D1 and load an empty ATR file. I switch the destination to be D1 and the source to be D2 and press the START button. It works flawlessly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 OK. I found a program called MyCopyR 2.1. Where did you find this utility and/or can you share it here please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 Where did you find this utility and/or can you share it here please? I found it here, on Atariage. Here is the link to the thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/187936-converting-between-atr-formats/ When the menu appears just press the 'F' key and MyCopyR will start. SECTCOPY.ATR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHA Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) simple answer yes, i have copied a few games from atr to real floppy, also real floppys to atrs using my 810 drive and sio2sd... as long as they are not copy protected or have damaged sectors. as previously stated, set real drive to 2 and use 1 on sio2sd here are some usefull files copy stuff.zip Edited December 7, 2017 by AHA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 While it is easy to create ATR's with APE, is there some way to create and/or change the titles of an ATR using just the SIO2SD? I'm not aware of any way to do this. I've looked at this for my own situation, and it looks like the easiest way to create the ATRs would be to use makeATR (PC utility) each time you wanted to create and then copy to that ATR. Or you can copy a "blank" ATR of the correct size to the card and then change the filename. But once the ATR is named and placed on the SD card, there doesn't seem any way to change the ATR filename except to take the card out and insert it into a card reader. Definitely doable, but seems quite a bit more cumbersome than using APE. One frequently reads the objection to APE (etc.) that "I don't want to be tethered to a PC," but some how, some way, the PC seems still needed with any of the imaging systems. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) or you can use APE Prosystem to do the Atari disk drive directly to the x86.... You already know I'd like the Atari to do it all itself, and you would think it wouldn't be too hard to make it happen... but you always get the it'll take forever response.. which isn't true... I program the AtariMax 8 mbit carts in the Atari using fast SIO or Ramdisk, etc etc, and it takes a couple minutes, and yet all you here is you have to buy the usb programmer or it will take forever or this or that nick picky complaint. Personally you should be able to do it all either way. That way when the x86 takes a dump (like they always do) Your trusty Atari can continue on no problems, albeit slightly impeded. Edited December 7, 2017 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hloberg Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 glad someone mentioned APE prosystem. I recent had a computer reset and had to reload my APE. everything work except prosystem can't find a COM port. I have the USB APE and had this working before but can't remember what it was I did to get it to work. Any thoughts what I may missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup8pdct Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I personally used SCOPY from SDCS to ape tho if it found a bad sector, it would stop. Those with bad sectors, i used the BB disk edit program or superdos. Also had 1050, xf551 and couple on std mechs on BB floppy board to try and read all sectors. Some took a lot of work. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz378537 Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 MyCopyR skips bad sectors and copies them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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