+Steve Jones Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Lately Ive been buying old Mattel variations, before I never paid much attention to whether I had the original versions that mention the keyboard component (coming soon) in the small white print on the bottom right of the front or not, but now I have been buying specifically based on that, which leads to my question, every version I have seen of NHL Hockey seems to be the older one that mentions the KC. Are there Mattel NHL Hockey boxes that have the KC mention removed? Or perhaps it didnt sell enough to warrant a second printing? We Canadians are hockey obsessed (Go Leafs Go) but back in the 80s I dont think it was that popular anywhere else. Has anyone seen this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblejack Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Lately Ive been buying old Mattel variations, before I never paid much attention to whether I had the original versions that mention the keyboard component (coming soon) in the small white print on the bottom right of the front or not, but now I have been buying specifically based on that, which leads to my question, every version I have seen of NHL Hockey seems to be the older one that mentions the KC. Are there Mattel NHL Hockey boxes that have the KC mention removed? Or perhaps it didnt sell enough to warrant a second printing? We Canadians are hockey obsessed (Go Leafs Go) but back in the 80s I dont think it was that popular anywhere else. Has anyone seen this? Do you have this version? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Boxed-Intellivision-Game-NFL-Hockey-Tested-Working/391944972014?hash=item5b41bda6ee:g:h2AAAOSw9mpaCLiT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Do you have this version? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Boxed-Intellivision-Game-NFL-Hockey-Tested-Working/391944972014?hash=item5b41bda6ee:g:h2AAAOSw9mpaCLiT Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I'm guessing no, but I'll check my copies tonight. We've discovered more surprising variants in the past... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Do you have this version? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Boxed-Intellivision-Game-NFL-Hockey-Tested-Working/391944972014?hash=item5b41bda6ee:g:h2AAAOSw9mpaCLiT That's American Hockey, not Canadian Hockey. (international soccer fans will get the joke). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 That's American Hockey, not Canadian Hockey. (international soccer fans will get the joke). Toronto Football Club !! winners of the MLS Cup!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) I always had the impression that back in the 1970s and early 1980s the NHL was barely considered a major league sport in the US. There was strong support in Boston and New York but even Chicago and Detroit seem to be struggling. Here's some cartridge sales numbers according to the Intellivision Lives CD. I think sport popularity would have something to do with sales; quality of the video game does too. Intellivison has many great sports cartridges and I would rate NHL Hockey, as a video game, in the bottom half of the pack. The NASL was at its peak in popularity in 1980 with games televised on ABC. It was arguably more popular than the NHL in the United States at the time. This was just before Intellivision became widely available. At the time the NHL couldn't get on american network television. The NASL had a steep decline after 1980. The Intellivision cartridge sales reflects this despite the NASL video game itself being excellent. Still not too sure about NHL popularity in the US. Boxing, as a spectator sport, was very popular at the time; much different than today. Again I would rate the Intellivision Boxing cartridge in the bottom half of the pack. 1085700 Major League Baseball 980200 NFL Football 565200 Auto Racing 518100 NBA Basketball 475700 Boxing 427500 US Ski Team Skiing 383100 PBA Bowling 364100 PGA Golf 337700 Tennis 284400 NASL Soccer All sales are as of June 1983. Note that NHL Hockey (#1114) sales are missing from the list. I have the Intellivision Lives CD v1.1 and there is a glitch where you click on NHL Hockey cartridge stats & credits and Tennis (#1814) stats & credits appears. So if anyone can check the v1.0 cd to see if it works please let us know. Or if anyone has access to the sales numbers at Intellivision Productions please let us know. As a comparison Math Fun sold 134700 cartridges (as of June 1983) and has a box revision with the keyboard component reference removed. So I think Steve is correct in thinking they had an initial over supply of NHL Hockey cartridges. Edited December 26, 2017 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblejack Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I always had the impression that back in the 1970s and early 1980s the NHL was barely considered a major league sport in the US. There was strong support in Boston and New York but even Chicago and Detroit seem to be struggling. Here's some cartridge sales numbers according to the Intellivision Lives CD. I think sport popularity would have something to do with sales; quality of the video game does too. Intellivison has many great sports cartridges and I would rate NHL Hockey, as a video game, in the bottom half of the pack. The NASL was at its peak in popularity in 1980 with games televised on ABC. It was arguably more popular than the NHL in the United States at the time. This was just before Intellivision became widely available. At the time the NHL couldn't get on american network television. The NASL had a steep decline after 1980. The Intellivision cartridge sales reflects this despite the NASL video game itself being excellent. Still not too sure about NHL popularity in the US. Boxing, as a spectator sport, was very popular at the time; much different than today. Again I would rate the Intellivision Boxing cartridge in the bottom half of the pack. 1085700 Major League Baseball 980200 NFL Football 565200 Auto Racing 518100 NBA Basketball 475700 Boxing 427500 US Ski Team Skiing 383100 PBA Bowling 364100 PGA Golf 337700 Tennis 284400 NASL Soccer All sales are as of June 1983. Note that NHL Hockey (#1114) sales are missing from the list. I have the Intellivision Lives CD v1.1 and there is a glitch where you click on NHL Hockey cartridge stats & credits and Tennis (#1814) stats & credits appears. So if anyone can check the v1.0 cd to see if it works please let us know. Or if anyone has access to the sales numbers at Intellivision Productions please let us know. As a comparison Math Fun sold 134700 cartridges (as of June 1983) and has a box revision with the keyboard component reference removed. So I think Steve is correct in thinking they had an initial over supply of NHL Hockey cartridges. Here is Intellivision Lives 1.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spadafermo51 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) Version Europe Edited December 26, 2017 by Spadafermo51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spadafermo51 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) Error Edited December 26, 2017 by Spadafermo51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) And the Canadian bilingual box doesn't have the keyboard component reference. Edited December 26, 2017 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spadafermo51 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 And the Canadian bilingual box doesn't have the keyboard component reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 the mention of the KC doesn't show in the quite rare Intellivision Inc. edition: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Steve Jones Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 Yeah not bilingual or european or intv versions I mean, asking strictly about Mattel NHL branded north american release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Steve Jones Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 Somewhat related, when did Mattel lose the licensing with the various pro sports leagues, NHL, NFL, NBA etc? I have Mattel north american versions of most sports games without league branding/logos. Im thinking maybe these licenses had expired before they sold enough NHL Hockey games to warrant a new printing without KC text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Somewhat related, when did Mattel lose the licensing with the various pro sports leagues, NHL, NFL, NBA etc? I have Mattel north american versions of most sports games without league branding/logos. Im thinking maybe these licenses had expired before they sold enough NHL Hockey games to warrant a new printing without KC text. I thought the licensing remained on the boxes, but logos were removed from overlays and cartridge labels. Edit: The licensing was likely not transferrable when Mattel sold the Intellivision assets to Intellivision Inc. / INTV Corp in 1984. So I thought Mattel had them until the end. Maybe your looking at mattel boxes for english language markets outside north america? And sports licensing only covered north american rights. Edited December 27, 2017 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheel Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 So what you Americans are saying is... NHL Hockey is rare and valuable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I checked my copies and only found ones with the 4 lines of text referencing the KC. I did find both USA and Hong Kong variants, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Steve Jones Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Not at home to check inside but all the ones in this pic with no logo are not the European versions, the back of the boxes are the same as the branded versions with the same text. Not sure where they were made. Also NHL Hockey not rare, except possibly the Mattel US version that does NOT mention the KC. Edited December 27, 2017 by Steve Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) How do you know they were not for markets like UK, Australia, South Africa? Intellivision was in the UK at least one full year before France, Italy, or Germany. Edit: For comparison check your copy of Draughts compared to Checkers. They should be very similar other than the title and where they were sold. Edited December 27, 2017 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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