Todd Rogers banned from Twin Galaxies and records removed

[HalHawkins]

No more 5.51

 

http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/175364-Dispute-Dick-Moreland-Atari-2600-VCS?p=945911&viewfull=1#post945911

 

Guess Twin Galaxies deserves our shirt now.

 

 

[DarQ Massacres]

I am very happy that his scores were removed, I thought they would only get rid of the Dragster time, but now that all of them are gone it feels more accomplished

[Inky]

Holy crap. Wow!

[Dauber]

I am very happy that his scores were removed, I thought they would only get rid of the Dragster time, but now that all of them are gone it feels more accomplished

I cannot comment on the credibility of Twin Galaxies -- that's a heated debate that I want no part of in either direction -- but I do know that they're pretty zero-tolerance when it comes to, well...anything bad. Cheat? Lifetime ban. Copyrighted music in the background of your submission video? Lifetime ban. (Although apparently it's not quite that strict -- like if you're in a public place where you have no control over the background noise, that's one thing, but if you purposely put music in your video, *bam* gone)....

[hizzy]

I wonder if we will ever see pt 3 of Ben Heck's video now? Is there a connection?

[Supergun]

Personally, it seems extreme to me.

 

Wether or not his Dragster score was or was not able to be proven is one thing. But removing any & all of his other records; when some of them do indeed have photographic proof, is a bit harsh.

 

So be it. It's his battle to fight, not ours.

[HatefulGravey]

Exactly what I asked for not 12 hours ago actually. Now I'll go register and become part of the TG thing. Might even commit to working on a record or two I've had in the back of my mind for a while now.

[Csonicgo]

Personally, it seems extreme to me.

 

Wether or not his Dragster score was or was not able to be proven is one thing. But removing any & all of his other records; when some of them do indeed have photographic proof, is a bit harsh.

 

So be it. It's his battle to fight, not ours.

From what I've heard, some were photoshopped from jpeg originals (which is how you get caught). If they were RAW, he'd probably get away with it.

[Neo 64]

Well, surprised the score lasted this long...

[StanJr]

Justice has been served. Couldn't happened to a more miserable tool.

[HalHawkins]

Personally, it seems extreme to me.

 

Wether or not his Dragster score was or was not able to be proven is one thing. But removing any & all of his other records; when some of them do indeed have photographic proof, is a bit harsh.

 

So be it. It's his battle to fight, not ours.

 

I think the reason why is that so many of his scores were highly suspect. A good example was Fathom. His record was 1,110,500. Second place? 142

[H.E.R.O.]

Wow. Not a day I ever thought I would see. He was so ingrained with the top of TG for so long he probably thought it would never happen.

[Csonicgo]

All one needs to disprove any of those scores is to look at the other attempts and just use some common sense. That's the funny thing about hi-scores: someone, somewhere will either match your score, or have a score around that, and if enough people have plateaued at a certain score "range" and you're still waaaaay above those, you miiiight be a lying liar from Liarville.

It also helps if you look at the scoring system of a game and pick a score that the game could actually award a player. HA-ha!

[Neo 64]

This video explains things well.

[Dr Manhattan]

I saw him break the 6 Second mark at E for All in 2008, getting 5.77, and even a bit lower, on a few occasions during the course of the two day show. I also saw the folks from Twin Galaxies at the event. Including Billy Mitchell and Walter Day.

When I saw the Twin Galaxies crowd at E for All in 2008, they were exactly the clowns they were made out to be in the King of Kong. I mean, it was almost a comedy. There's a whole other story I could tell about Billy and Walter trying to undermine Steve Weibe's DK score attempt at the show. They were constantly trolling him.

I'm not sure who to side with here. I know Todd doesn't have the most stellar reputation. I know that the guys from TG are a bunch of ridiculous clowns. The maker of the game said his score is possible, but no one else has been able to come close.

 

I guess my takeaway from this whole thing is that if the score is fake, TG let is stand for a long time and their credibility has taken a major hit. If the score is real, then TG is involved in yet even more chicanery and foolishness, which also further tarnishes their record. Make of this what you will.

[hizzy]

With games & collecting being so popular, I was always surprised that there wasn't a better attempt a documenting records, or a real showcase for skilled gamers. I follow the high score club on AA, and Oyama_family is amazing. The Atari scores on AA boggle my mind.

[accousticguitar]

Guilty until proven innocent is rampant in the New America today whether it be sexual harassment claims or video games.

[AtariLeaf]

I haven't followed this story very closely until a few days ago. It is fascinating to me, the history of this whole mess, and am glad it's been sorted out.

[Marco1019]

I wonder if we will ever see pt 3 of Ben Heck's video now? Is there a connection?

 

 

From what I gathered, there wasn't going to be a Part 3. I believe Part 2 was the last of Ben Heck's research, though I could be wrong.

[atari181]

Personally, it seems extreme to me.

Wether or not his Dragster score was or was not able to be proven is one thing. But removing any & all of his other records; when some of them do indeed have photographic proof, is a bit harsh.

So be it. It's his battle to fight, not ours.

Almost every one of his records were questionable. With him being proven to be a liar I see it as the appropriate measure.

[hizzy]

 

 

From what I gathered, there wasn't going to be a Part 3. I believe Part 2 was the last of Ben Heck's research, though I could be wrong.

 

The ending was so inconclusive that I thought it was begging for a pt 3 & 4. Oh, well...

[HatefulGravey]

So what happens if someone manages to record a verifiable 5.51 tomorrow? I don't believe it possible, but what if?

 

The more I think about this the more I feel bad for all those people that had to be 2nd behind his cheating for so long. They never got to have that world record feeling in the way they should have.

[+Random Terrain]

I guess they typed that up in a word processor, so there are a bunch of diamonds with question marks in them:

 

twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/175364-Dispute-Dick-Moreland-Atari-2600-VCS?p=945911&viewfull=1#post945911

 

[Keatah]

So what happens if someone manages to record a verifiable 5.51 tomorrow? I don't believe it possible, but what if?

 

If it's verifiable, then there's no reason it shouldn't be accepted. Whatever score on whatever game.

 

Glad I didn't contribute anything, not even a score entry to Twin Galaxies. What a farce.

[keepdreamin]

Holy crap. This actually was picked up by the WASHINGTON POST! You know, Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein, that Washington Post.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/29/a-man-accused-of-cheating-at-video-games-may-lose-his-decades-old-guinness-world-record/?utm_term=.36322b00849b

 

Congrats, Todd