Tut Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Hello everyone, Now it's been a week that I've been tinkering with a Jag that wouldn't start. After trying all the basics, checking traces, caps and testing all the regulators, I came to the conclusion that the machine was working but that the LED wasn't (I could even hear the coil hissing). Today I soldered a new LED and it lit on. I also changed U38 and cap 134 just in case. There are no chips getting extremely hot or anything that would lead me to think there's a short. The thing is that I don't get any video output (I use the Scart cable). I've checked all the pins of the MC13077DW encoder and I've compared the readings with those of another working Jag that I've got at home. All the readings are OK except for the composite output (pin 2); the S-Luma output (pin 3);and the "clam" pins (that is, pins 5,15 and 16). The Chroma out (pin 17) also seems a bit low compared to the working one (1,5v instead of 2,1v). The RGB inputs, clk, sync etc seem fine (I just can check voltages), so I assume that Tom & Jerry are working properly. Before I buy a new encoder and change it, do you think that the encoder is the culprit? Or have you come across similar cases with something else being the problem? (I've taken a look at the encoder datasheet but I'm not very familiar with this stuff so any opinions will be more than welcome). Thanks very much in advance! T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Not encoder related, but are you getting sound from the Jag? Also, wouldn't the RGB outputs be before the encoder (not looking at a schematic right now)? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Not encoder related, but are you getting sound from the Jag?Yes, check sound. Also, wouldn't the RGB outputs be before the encoder (not looking at a schematic right now)?They are indeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tut Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Hi, thanks for your answers. Sorry, yes, the RGB are before the encoder. There doesn't seem to be any sound when the system boots (at least that I can hear when plugged into my TV). All I get is the kind of "spark" noise when I fire it up and the rest is white noise. Where could I start looking at? Maybe U35 to see if the system boots at all? Any measures that you think I could test first? I don't have an osc, just a multimeter. Thanks again T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It's not gonna be easy, especially with just a multimeter. The Jaguar is a complex system. I'd first check visually if there are no cut/corroded tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Do you have a schematic? If not here is one http://www.robotsandcomputers.com/computers/manuals/atarijag_sch.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Could you post any pictures of the board, power supply you are using, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) A good start would be to check for VCC on all the chip pins where you are supposed to have it going by the schematic I posted. EDIT: For example pin 14, 52, and 24 of U29 should have +5V. Edited February 19, 2018 by SignGuy81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tut Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Hi, thanks very much. I'll post a picture of the pcb, but I can assure you that it looks like new. I've checked traces with magnifier and I just retraced one thing that I found suspicious next to the DB15 ports, but there isn't the slightest trace of rust in this pcb. The PSU I am using works well with other Jaguars, so that shouldn't be a problem. I've tested all the Vcc on all the chips and all have their 5v+. Since it took a while to test, both Tom & Jerry got warm but not the kind of temperatures that could hint at a short (the DSP got warmer than the CPU, I hope that's normal). I noticed, though, that U35 was not outputting anything at pins 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11 and others (the other Jaguar that I'm using as a reference outputs voltages around 2v in these pins). Does anyone know what these pins are? Or what the cause of these pins not outputting anything might be? I've taken a look at the schematics, but, apart from tracing circuits, I don't know much about what each signal is doing. Thanks again T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 This means there's probably no activity on the address bus, which means the processors aren't running. Unfortunately it can be caused by a lot of different faults. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tut Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is it possible to narrow down the ICs that might be involved? Do you think it's worth trying a Bios swap? I can desolder u35 from another jaguar that has the same Cpu version (1.0) and try it on this one. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The ROM chip is pretty hard to unsolder, if you use a soldering iron there is a good risk to end up with lifted tracks. It could probably be done with hot air, but it would still be a shot in the dark. The problem may also caused by a crack or bad solder joint somewhere, not necessarily by a faulty IC. I can't think of any easy way to find the problem, especially without an oscilloscope or logic analyzer. Sorry :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tut Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 I suppose that swapping the ROM shouldn't be a problem (I recently changed the cartridge slot of another Jag without problems). I just wanted to know if its worth the try. I think I'll test all the GNDs, do a general reflow and, if it doesn't change anything, I'll try the ROM swap. I know it's difficult with just a multimeter, but I always hate it when I have to trash old glories! So I'll try my best. I'll keep you posted. Thanks a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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