Dippy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's been awhile, but I have come with another Atari cover made with Raster Music Tracker. Hope you enjoy! airman_pokey.xex airman_pokey.zip 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Excellent! I thought it might be in stereo at first. Edited February 20, 2018 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizaptimus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Fantastic rendition! If you do any more I'd love to hear how the pokey would handle flashman's stage Edited February 20, 2018 by Grizaptimus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dippy Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Fantastic rendition! If you do any more I'd love to hear how the pokey would handle flashman's stage I'd love to do that, but Fragmare already did that and it sounds amazingly good and accurate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpkjoB29fEQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Awesome version! Maybe, between you and I, we can tackle the whole soundtrack! Dibs on Metal Man, though! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 cough.... volume control.... cough airman_pokeym.zip Get the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Yes, we wish you had a volume control Emkay You are Earths latest super hero, Negative Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 cough.... volume control.... cough airman_pokeym.zip Get the difference? I'd like to hear the difference but you posted a raw tracker routine instead of an xex, I like to hear music but it does not mean that I run tracker software... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) I think you mis understand how or what eMkay says, he is trying to show how to make it a little better. I am sure it's not a negative, but rather a help. Many people take the wording of a thing over the substance of a thing. I have had the most help from critical review and often blunt even obtuse discussions. There are far too many skilled pens and elocution extraordinaires in the world, it all sound good... even great and we swallow it whole, the silver tongued people gain popularity while leaving all else to languish, and indeed this practice becomes a detriment over time to all who ascribe validity to it. I've butted heads with eMkay a time or two, but it's not because he's negative as we all can be. Like all others he can be correct or incorrect. Too many people object to what he has to say because they don't like a direct, terse response. I am sure if he just posted a fix, and used flowery words, all would be so supportive and happy. But his point is to help another improve their work... just doing it and heaping praise will not accomplish that. Often when a person of persuasion fails to win an argument they will attack spelling and punctuation. Since there is nothing else to pick on, it deflects from the truth of a statement. Just another observation, as I read the threads. Many people of many languages and styles here. Please don't discount them or their contributions. Please don't expect a perfect or flowery response. Please take the substance of it over the form in which it is presented. I know it's long winded but after working with people around the world, it's a hard to explain the phenomena. Hearing harsh words against many people from places where word order as well as strong vs submissive forms are within the language structure. They are not attacking or negative at all, but the force of the words may translate that way. Forgetting this from time to time has not helped any of us. Edited February 21, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 It's just about the volume that is too "much" . There really should be a patch that controls the overall volume while editing a tune. So the RMT was aimed at Dippy, for future projects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) How well does Altirra emulate the "over 32 volume" distortion? And are we positive it's 32 and not 28 (7+7+7+7)? Or even 36? Also, would it be possible to update the POKEY DLL file RMT uses to hear the volume distortion within RMT? Edited February 21, 2018 by Fragmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Some people also read too much in to what is said and ignore the smileys proving it was a cheeky comment and not a stern observation and I'm sure Emkay realised that. Smileys may be cheap and basically a nonsense to the language systems we have but they also quickly allow for instant pointers.. Someone is smarting from another conversation in here <--------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Originally, I wanted to create a video , showing both versions. But somehow the tune sounds like "backward" played music to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 It's just about the volume that is too "much" . There really should be a patch that controls the overall volume while editing a tune. So the RMT was aimed at Dippy, for future projects. I think what you and the Doc missed was the humour here, you know I have a joke with you re how you often respond to peoples tunes, we have had this 'joke' many times, I didn't miss understand a thing, it was simply a bit of fun at the style of your posts. As for the rmt thing, again a smiley used and yes I know it was meant for dippy, it was a quoted reply but it would have been fun for others to hear the change without going through disks to find a tracker player that is up to date or whatever.. To quote the Joker, "Why so serious".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Really nice conversion!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Originally, I wanted to create a video , showing both versions. But somehow the tune sounds like "backward" played music to me... Aha, appreciated...Yes it sounds more clean and not overly high....Definitely a plus on a very nice tune.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 How well does Altirra emulate the "over 32 volume" distortion? And are we positive it's 32 and not 28 (7+7+7+7)? Or even 36? Also, would it be possible to update the POKEY DLL file RMT uses to hear the volume distortion within RMT? If you keep the rule "using 4 channels , keep 8 as max. volume for the start of an instrument" , it will work fine. And, as envelopes keep volume up and down, it is also possible to have "pulses" for basses. Things get even more interesting, if you use filter voices and have it too loud. Instead of heavy distortions, the contrary will happen. POKEY turns into a "muted & muffled" sounding mode. It actually can play clean triangle waves then. It could be interesting to know, if it's intentionally done, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Aha, appreciated...Yes it sounds more clean and not overly high....Definitely a plus on a very nice tune.. And, it is played with "distortion by the Non Linear Mixing" of Altirra.... not much distortion in it, isn't it? Btw. I learned, not to react on strange jokes, if meant funny or not. You know, the winds were sometimes strange on Atariage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Btw. I learned, not to react on strange jokes, if meant funny or not. You know, the winds were sometimes strange on Atariage Yes, exceptionally changeable......Me, I try to keep humour in to most things, I'd rather be laughing than fighting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrykot Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) Also, would it be possible to update the POKEY DLL file RMT uses to hear the volume distortion within RMT? I tried this and it sounded terrible because RMT requires POKEY emulation to send audio data in 8-bit resolution. As it turns out, 8-bit samples are not enough even with dithering. But I've figured out how to circumvent this limitation - bypass RMT and send audio directly to the sound device. So, if you are willing to try, my experimental, written today and not fully tested implementation is in the attachment. It's mono only, writes to the second POKEY are simply ignored. Nonlinear table has been stolen form Altirra. apokeysnd.zip Edited February 22, 2018 by antrykot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I tried this and it sounded terrible because RMT requires POKEY emulation to send audio data in 8-bit resolution. As it turns out, 8-bit samples are not enough even with dithering. But I've figured out how to circumvent this limitation - bypass RMT and send audio directly to the sound device. So, if you are willing to try, my experimental, written today and not fully tested implementation is in the attachment. It's mono only, writes to the second POKEY are simply ignored. Nonlinear table has been stolen form Altirra. RMT won't start, using the changed version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrykot Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Hi emkay, Did you get any error message? Could you try this version? apokeysnd2.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Hi emkay, Did you get any error message? Could you try this version? This one works fine. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I tried this and it sounded terrible because RMT requires POKEY emulation to send audio data in 8-bit resolution. As it turns out, 8-bit samples are not enough even with dithering. But I've figured out how to circumvent this limitation - bypass RMT and send audio directly to the sound device. So, if you are willing to try, my experimental, written today and not fully tested implementation is in the attachment. It's mono only, writes to the second POKEY are simply ignored. Nonlinear table has been stolen form Altirra. whaaaaaaaat... so this sends the non-linear mixed audio (like Altirra plays by default) directly to my computer's primary sound device when playing back sound in RMT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 The "Non Linear Mixing in Altirra is a bit "too much" . But it allows to play a bit with the resulting channel mixing, and the possible modulations that get possible... just a test... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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