NRV Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Looking at more modern stuff I've been wondering about the possibility of something like Super Meat Boy. Ignoring the 2-button input for a minute (Mario style - one held to run, another to jump) I think it ought to be about possible, even if it is more like the warpzone levels rather than the main ones The bit trip version looks perfect for the 2600 x) At least there is a lot of info out there, if someone wanted to replicate the movement "physics". http://meyermike.com/wp/?p=160 Aren't Super Bread Box on the C64 and both Super 48K Box and Dead Flesh Boy on the ZX Spectrum demakes of Super Meat Boy? Demakes of http://supercratebox.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 ... All the games I mentioned are top games from other platforms. I've not played all of them in depth. Atic Atac Yes, I know Robert would like to make it. The Bard's Tale I've not played it but it is one of the best RPG games. Batman Yes, it's another iso game, but it is considered one of the best (not because it's a Batman game - I prefer Spider-Man LOL). International Basketball You have to practice to understand this game and enjoy the feeling of players with "bodies". At first I had problems playing it too. Match Day II I haven't played it but it is considered the best Spectrum soccer game (and British know soccer...). A8 is slower than Spectrum but perhaps a good high resolution soccer game could be made. Match Point As written, there aren't technical problems to make a good tennis game (single not doubles). The important thing is gameplay (Atari Tennis could be a good game ibut there's something wrong). Microprose Soccer I am not a fan of this game, I prefer International Soccer or Emlyn Hughes International Soccer. But many people like this game. I repeat, when thinking about a soccer game, the fact Atari sprites and color graphics modes don't support high resolution must be considered. Paradroid Never played it but it's one of the best C64 games. Project Firestart IGN has called it the first "fully formed vision of survival horror as we know it today," citing its balance of action and adventure, limited ammunition, weak weaponry, vulnerable main character, feeling of isolation, storytelling through journals, graphic violence, open exploration, cut-scenes, multiple endings and use of dynamically triggered music—all of which were characteristic elements of later games in the survival horror genre (Wikipedia). Summer Games II, Winter Games, California Games are all very good games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 - a "patched" or modded version of Midi Maze (since Maze of Agdagon is not half as good!) What exactly do you mean here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eegad Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 X-8 is one I found quite fun and have spent a fair amount of time playing. Where can I d/l a copy of this one to check out? I've never heard of it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Where can I d/l a copy of this one to check out? I've never heard of it before. For example http://www.mushca.com/f/atari/index.php?idx=X Instructions: http://atariage.com/forums/blog/387/entry-10443-x8/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) While we're onto sports games, here a few more hopefully interesting suggestions from the C64 library. 10th Frame by Access Software (same company as the Leader Board series), in case the Atari needs another bowling game? Blood 'n Guts by Greve Graphics and Knight Games by English Software perhaps both are bit obscure and violent multi event games, though some events in each can be fun. Mini-Putt by Accolade is a fun and playable game with a lot of variation in courses and difficulty, though I see that the Atari already has a few decent miniature golf games so probably not very important to port. Water Polo by Gremlin Graphics is a game I've only briefly tried to play, but given its rating of 7.2 on Lemon64, could be interesting to consider and partly blends into the soccer / icehockey / handball / whatever team sports genre. Edited April 6, 2018 by carlsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 BTW, if someone is interested in C64 sports games... http://s64.emuunlim.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 What exactly do you mean here? Well, I was talking about networking games. There exists hardware named Gamelink-2 or Multilink to network up to 8 XL/XE computers together. It would be nice to have a modified / patched version of Midi Maze for that hardware (since MM currently only works with Modem or Midi). Alas, Bewesoft once wrote that it would be impossible in most cases to patch any existing software for the Gamelink/Multilink network, instead one would have to code it from scratch (and e.g. one must switch off the OS), so most likely this is not possible and we have to live with the MM clone Maze of Agdagon... Battlezone just appeared for the Playstation VR, it would be great to have a multiplayer networking version of Battlezone (with similar gfx as the 16k 5200 version or as the 64k XEGS version) for the A8, with up to 8 computers and therefore up to 8 players. Object of the game would be to eliminate the other tanks (other players), but not in a maze or labyrinth, in "open" terrain with various objects that could be used for shelter or to hide behind; one has to search for fuel, ammo, speed-ups, etc. constantly and try to survive; similar to the Lynx version one could choose between different tanks (e.g. a fast tank with medium protection, a slow tank with heavy protection, etc.) and different scenarios / different terrain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Some would even call it the very first Sensible Soccer as it was made by the same team and had not Microprose published it, they may as well have called it that. I see the idea, but I think it's a bit of a stretch... The closest I've seen so far is Fantasic Soccer which shares some of the perspective but plays like a mess. Yet it has a fairly decent score on Atarimania. The C64 version on Lemon64 though is considered utter rubbish and very low score among voters. Fantastic Soccer is a rather mediocre attempt to emulate Microprose Soccer; and I think most people would rate it as mediocre at best. The reason it's lower rated at Lemon64 is simple: there are much better soccer games available for the C64. So, in comparison, Fantastic Soccer is pretty low on the totem pole. That's why we're talking about soccer games here in the first place; amongst soccer games on the Atari, Fantastic Soccer (a mediocre game) is one of the best on offer. Edited April 6, 2018 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 All the games I mentioned are top games from other platforms. I've not played all of them in depth. The Bard's Tale I've not played it but it is one of the best RPG games. Batman Yes, it's another iso game, but it is considered one of the best (not because it's a Batman game - I prefer Spider-Man LOL). Match Day II I haven't played it but it is considered the best Spectrum soccer game (and British know soccer...). A8 is slower than Spectrum but perhaps a good high resolution soccer game could be made. Match Point As written, there aren't technical problems to make a good tennis game (single not doubles). The important thing is gameplay (Atari Tennis could be a good game ibut there's something wrong). Paradroid Never played it but it's one of the best C64 games. I understand you wanting to have more high-rated games available for the Ataris, but wouldn't it be a good idea to play them yourself and see if you agree with the general opinion first? International Basketball You have to practice to understand this game and enjoy the feeling of players with "bodies". At first I had problems playing it too. You mean as opposed to stick figures? Match Point As written, there aren't technical problems to make a good tennis game (single not doubles). The important thing is gameplay (Atari Tennis could be a good game ibut there's something wrong). I think Atari Tennis is a good, basic tennis game; I've played it quite a bit and find it a fun game. The Ataris can use (and are capable of) a more advanced tennis. So, I think it'd be welcome. Not exactly a top request in this thread yet, though. Microprose Soccer I am not a fan of this game, I prefer International Soccer or Emlyn Hughes International Soccer. But many people like this game. I repeat, when thinking about a soccer game, the fact Atari sprites and color graphics modes don't support high resolution must be considered. I don't think lack of similar hi-res support is much of an issue for most games. Gameplay and well-rendered graphics at available resolutions are more important. Project Firestart IGN has called it the first "fully formed vision of survival horror as we know it today," citing its balance of action and adventure, limited ammunition, weak weaponry, vulnerable main character, feeling of isolation, storytelling through journals, graphic violence, open exploration, cut-scenes, multiple endings and use of dynamically triggered music—all of which were characteristic elements of later games in the survival horror genre (Wikipedia). My reply on this was somewhat of a joke. It looks like an interesting title. Thanks for the info, though; it's one I hadn't seen before. I'm not really into to "Horror Flicks" and such things. So, other than appreciating the good production, I won't be much interested in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 I was talking about networking games. There exists hardware named Gamelink-2 or Multilink to network up to 8 XL/XE computers together. It would be nice to have a modified / patched version of Midi Maze for that hardware (since MM currently only works with Modem or Midi). Alas, Bewesoft once wrote that it would be impossible in most cases to patch any existing software for the Gamelink/Multilink network, instead one would have to code it from scratch (and e.g. one must switch off the OS), so most likely this is not possible and we have to live with the MM clone Maze of Agdagon... OK, that's what I thought you were saying; but Maze of Agdagon is really no Midi Maze clone is it? And that's why I was a little confused about your initial statement. Battlezone just appeared for the Playstation VR, it would be great to have a multiplayer networking version of Battlezone (with similar gfx as the 16k 5200 version or as the 64k XEGS version) for the A8, with up to 8 computers and therefore up to 8 players. Object of the game would be to eliminate the other tanks (other players), but not in a maze or labyrinth, in "open" terrain with various objects that could be used for shelter or to hide behind; one has to search for fuel, ammo, speed-ups, etc. constantly and try to survive; similar to the Lynx version one could choose between different tanks (e.g. a fast tank with medium protection, a slow tank with heavy protection, etc.) and different scenarios / different terrain... I was just thinking of something similar myself. Actually, what I had in mind was a similar game that was available for Macs and PC's (and probably other systems too) back in the early 90's called Spectre (and Spectre VR). Spectre VR was the first 1st person networked game I played, and I had a lot of fun with it. It's similar to Battlezone (I guess even a type of clone). So, any game in that style should be good; the main thing is a good framerate, like Midi Maze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Alright, so here's a compiled list for the thread so far. This first list is just for entries that had multiple requests. The full list follows. In the full list, I've notated multiple requests for an entry in brackets (showing the number of requests made). So, what does all this show us? Well, people like a lot of games. There's a lot of variety, but I imagine things would come together as more people voted. There are plenty that were only requested once that I know other people are interested in. So, I suppose also, if people were asked specifically, "would you like to see such and such a game" in a poll or something, a lot of single request games here would receive plenty of votes. Anway, it does form a decent general survey so far. 6 VotesGalaga5 VotesBubble Bobble4 VotesBard's TalePrince of Persia3 VotesBruce Lee IIEliteIkari WarriorsImpossible MissionLunar LanderMicroprose SoccerPhoenixPinball DreamsRally XSuper MarioTurrican2 Votes1942 / 1943Buggy BoyCalifornia GamesCannon FodderCheckered FlagDeltaDesert StrikeDouble DragonDungeon MasterElevator ActionFront LineKlaxLast NinjaManiac MansionMappyMarble MadnessNemesisOmega RacePacmaniaPitfall II - Graphic UpdatePokemonR-TypeSensible SoccerSummer Games IITest DriveUltima V v2Winter GamesWonder BoyWorldclass LeaderboardXenon ------------------------------------ Complete List 1942 / 1943 [2]1st Person (Raycasting, Colorful, 30fps, Enemies, Shooting, Puzzles, Encounter-Like)2D Golf (Good Quality)Adams FamilyAdvanced Dungeons & Dragons [2](1 Vote "Cloudy Mountain")Adventure Construction SetAdventure II (Cafeman says, "wish I'd get done soon")Alternate Reality City & Dungeon CartridgeAnimal CrossingArkanoid vs Space InvadersAtic AtacBagmanBallBlazer 2 (4 Player, 2 Per Team, Networked)BarbarianBard's Tale [4]Barnstorming (2600)Batman (ZX Spectrum)Battlezone (2-8 players)Beyond The Ice PalaceBlack WidowBlue LightningBruce Lee II [3]Bubble Bobble [5]Buggy Boy [2]California Games [2]Cannon Fodder [2]Championship ManagerCheckered Flag [2]Chess (Higher ELO & Bigger Opening-Book)Circo Bianco/White Circus (Update)Circus CharlieCity ConnectionCivilizationCloak & DaggerContraCrack'edCrazy ClimberCrush, Crumble & Chomp (Graphic & Speed Update)Day of the TentacleDefender of the CrownDelta [2]Desert Strike [2]Discs of TronDouble Dragon [2]Dungeon Master [2]Eggerland MysteryElevator Action [2]ElidonElite [3]Emlyn Huges International SoccerEmpireEmpire CityEnduro RacerExed Exes XLExerionEyesFinal Fantasy (Any)Fort Apocalypse 2Front Line [2]Galaga [6]Ghostbusters (Graphic Update)Gianna SistersGilligan's IslandGoldrunnerGooniesGravitarGreat Giana SistersGreen Beret (Upgrade)GryzorHang onHard Drivin'HobbitHypa-BallHyper SportsIK+Ikari Warriors [3]Impossible Mission [3]International BasketballJump BugKick (Kickman)Kick Off 2Klax [2](1 Vote 2600)Last Ninja [2]Leisure Suit Larry 1-3Lunar Lander [3](1 Vote "Gravity Crash" from PS3)Major HavocMake Trax (Crush Roller)Maniac Mansion [2]Mappy [2]Marble Madness [2]Match Day IIMatch PointMega-Lo-ManiaMicroprose Soccer [3]MillenniumMinecraftMontezuma's Revenge 2Monument ValleyNemesis [2]Nobunagas AmbitionOmega Race [2]Oregon TrailOutrunPac-Man Type (New Mazes, Ghosts, & Abilities)Pacmania [2]PaperboyParadroidPhoenix [3]Pinball Dreams [3]Pitfall II (Graphic Update) [2]Plants vs ZombiesPlutosPokemon [2]Pole Position 2PopulousPortal (Demake)Prince of Persia [4]Private Eye (2600)Project FirestartPursuit of the Pink Panther (8-bit Proto Version)QuarthR-Type [2]Racer (Arcade Style, Good Frame Rate, Hills)Raid on Bungeling BayRaidenRaimaisRally Speedway (2-player splitscreen that doesn't stop action update)Rally X [3]RamboRambo First Blood Part IIReactorRed BaronRevs / Revs PlusRoad FighterRocky Horror ShowRygarSalamanderSanxionSecret of Monkey Island I & IISensible Soccer [2]SentinelShadow of the BeastSide PocketSidewinderSki or DieSkyfoxSolaris 2600 (Upgraded)Sonic the HedgehogSpace 1999Space Invaders (2600)Star ForceStar Raiders GalaxiesStellar 7Summer Games (Graphic Update)Summer Games II [2]Super Hang OnSuper Mario [3](1 Vote for SMB3)Super Meat BoySupremacyTerror PodsTest Drive [2]TronTurboTurrican [3]TurtlesUltima III Gold v3Ultima IV +Music v2Ultima V v2 [2]UridiumVindicatorsWay of the Exploding FistWhere in the World is Carmen SandiegoWinter Games [2]WizardryWolfenstein 3DWonder Boy [2]World GamesWorldclass Leaderboard [2]X8 (Finished Updated Version)Xenon [2](1 Vote Xenon I & II)Zak McKracken & Alien MindbendersZelda Edited April 7, 2018 by MrFish 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibstov Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Sorry, I thought of another game, after you compiled this list. Ghost and Goblins - Ever since I first saw this game at the arcade, I always wanted to see it ported to the Atari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 My personal list, I'd like to add votes for: Elevator Action Summer Games II Winter Games World Games Test Drive Rally X (completed, its very close) Pressure Cooker (2600 port) Dark Cavern (2600 port) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Sorry, I thought of another game, after you compiled this list. Ghost and Goblins - Ever since I first saw this game at the arcade, I always wanted to see it ported to the Atari. No worries, I'll compile another one later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Aren't Super Bread Box on the C64 and both Super 48K Box and Dead Flesh Boy on the ZX Spectrum demakes of Super Meat Boy? Super Bread Box and Super 48K Box are both demakes of Vlambeer's Super Crate box, but Dead Flesh Boy is based on Super Meat Boy yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) OK, that's what I thought you were saying; but Maze of Agdagon is really no Midi Maze clone is it? And that's why I was a little confused about your initial statement. Hmmm, afaik you can play Midi Maze with multiple players and computers (via Modem or Midi) and the object of the game is to kill the other players that look like a giant Pacman or happy face and are running around in a 3D maze/labyrinth... You can play Maze of Agdagon with multiple players and computers as well (via Gamelink-2/Multilink which is a sort of null-modem), the object of the game is to kill the other players that look like a giant Pacman or happy face and are running around in a 3D maze/labyrinth. In both games players can exchange text messages during the game... So... if my memory and game description is halfway correct, then Maze of Agdagon is a clone of Midi Maze. Edited April 7, 2018 by CharlieChaplin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 afaik you can play Midi Maze with multiple players and computers (via Modem or Midi) and the object of the game is to kill the other players that look like a giant Pacman or happy face and are running around in a 3D maze/labyrinth... You can play Maze of Agdagon with multiple players and computers as well (via Gamelink-2/Multilink which is a sort of null-modem), the object of the game is to kill the other players that look like a giant Pacman or happy face and are running around in a 3D maze/labyrinth. In both games players can exchange text messages during the game... So... if my memory and game description is halfway correct, then Maze of Agdagon is a clone of Midi Maze. Ah, I see; apparently it doesn't have drones like Midi Maze. I had just started playing a game, and there were only some big round objects that seemed to be something you collect. Having a quick look again, they seem to be some sort of bomb. I guess you actually need some other players in order to have anything to shoot at, or maybe the main weapon is the bombs? I like the map feature. I don't think there's a map in Midi Maze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Good luck with picking the most suitable candidate games and implementing them! I don't know if the source code to Bruce Lee II has been released, but it was done by a good friend of mine so if it would be required, I could ask him about it, in case it is easier to work from source code than disassembly or a blank paper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRV Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Meat Boy 2600 style x) Hey, I think Bagman should have 2 votes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Hey, I think Bagman should have 2 votes I haven't voted yet. But I'm not sure Bagman will be in my list. Cool game, but I'm not very good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Pitfall II has only one vote (I didn't vote for it, it's already a very good game and the best 8-bit version). Eyes has two votes. I hope Norbert makes Lunar Lander, he already made the perfect Asteroids. I like most of the games on the list but I add my vote to Test Drive (Emkay and other people talked about it in Stunt Car Racer thread), Defender of The Crown (with Rastaconverter graphics!), Green Beret (Atari version is really bad). Again on Atari Tennis. It looks good but gameplay's not very good. An exchange could last for minutes (advanced level). With some tweaks it could become a very good game (source code is available). Another good tennis is Intellivision Tennis: ball's direction depends on when you touch it with racket, not on stick's direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 I love Eyes! It's not on my list only because I didn't mention arcade games. Eyes has two votes. I saw that, but I didn't think it was an official vote on your part yet. I'll add it in then. Pitfall II has only one vote (I didn't vote for it, it's already a very good game and the best 8-bit version). Yeah, I see now that you were just referencing it when you started talking about Summer Games. I'll just leave it in as a second vote for myself, since I think it could use a graphical update too. I hope Norbert... he already made the perfect Asteroids. Honestly, I think Asteroids by Norbert should be improved. The problem I find with it is that there is no throttling of the speed. He just lets it go full out. So, when very few objects are on the screen, it moves way too fast. It also just feels odd having the speed change so much. It doesn't play the same. XXL was working on the game first, and I'm not sure why he quite, if he got a C&D message or what. He was working on a zoomed view, which gave everything better definition and was looking very good. Again on Atari Tennis. It looks good but gameplay's not very good. An exchange could last for minutes (advanced level). With some tweaks it could become a very good game (source code is available). Another good tennis is Intellivision Tennis: ball's direction depends on when you touch it with racket, not on stick's direction. I'd forgotten we have the source code. Maybe some improvements could be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Good luck with picking the most suitable candidate games and implementing them! I don't know if the source code to Bruce Lee II has been released, but it was done by a good friend of mine so if it would be required, I could ask him about it, in case it is easier to work from source code than disassembly or a blank paper. I already have a long list of games I'm working on. I guess part of this is more about confirmation. But, I may look into a select few that have high interest. I guess I'd vote for Bruce Lee II myself, but I don't have much interest in working on it. Someone Else might be interested here though. So, if you can help them out, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I would like to see a good Slide Puzzle implementation which is great to use joystick or other controllers, that can be greatly configured, and in which you can choose the picture to put together. It could reuse some of the code available to show multiple colors (like Rasta). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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