BillLoguidice Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I can't confirm as of yet what version is going to be on there, but there's definitely a chance it's a 3.x instead of a 5.x. I just don't want the 5.x thing to gain steam in case it doesn't work out on the final release units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillLoguidice Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Why do you say that? I can understand the statement. I don't think there's been any emulation box that simply doesn't dump the cartridge and run it as a ROM. In that case, you really are better off in almost all cases with just running the ROM rather than going through the ritual of putting in a cartridge first. With an FPGA-based system, you kind of get the best of all worlds, but it's no doubt going to be several more years before those are truly at mass market pricing (fortunately they're at enthusiast - us on here - pricing already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (and logging in with the wrong account has struck again) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Others have called cartridge dumpers a Rube Goldberg machine for simulating inserting a cartridge and just playing. Using a dumper is like channel surfing on digital cable -- gets the job done, but in a clunky way that doesn't feel like the original action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Nut Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Do you think we may be able to upgrade the version of Stella ourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeefy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (and logging in with the wrong account has struck again) Out of curiosity what would be the reason for 3.x Stella vs the 5.x? Wouldn't that also affect Pitfall 2 (which I think was mentioned in the gamelist)? Or can Stella 3 handle that? I just hope to not see the Retron77 debacle hit this machine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Not sure I agree about FPGA not being at a mass market price. The SuperNT is a boutique item at $190, not made in huge quantities and they well profit on it enough to cover what they need to not just float but grow and pay outside help like kevtris for his cores. When they need more it's a lot of months to run another batch, and they even struck the transparent one from the list. I could only guess how far down the price scale it would get if they did runs of them say at the 100K and up levels. The systems are setup also run with custom firmware to run ROMs straight off the SD card in the rear too. While the SNT only handles SNES, the older costly NES/Mini NT runs multiple cores. That junky retron5 was like what $160 when it came out, and it dumped carts into memory temporarily and didn't run roms either from the SD slot and it sells all over at local shops and online. I can't see a reason why a non-piece of crap like the SNT couldn't with a real backer behind it for mass pressings of the hardware couldn't match if not likely drop an ok level below that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Out of curiosity what would be the reason for 3.x Stella vs the 5.x? Wouldn't that also affect Pitfall 2 (which I think was mentioned in the gamelist)? Or can Stella 3 handle that? I just hope to not see the Retron77 debacle hit this machine. Pitfall II works fine. I can't really get into specifics at this time, I'm just saying that it may not ship with 5.x like some are speculating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Not sure I agree about FPGA not being at a mass market price. The SuperNT is a boutique item at $190, not made in huge quantities and they well profit on it enough to cover what they need to not just float but grow and pay outside help like kevtris for his cores. When they need more it's a lot of months to run another batch, and they even struck the transparent one from the list. I could only guess how far down the price scale it would get if they did runs of them say at the 100K and up levels. The systems are setup also run with custom firmware to run ROMs straight off the SD card in the rear too. While the SNT only handles SNES, the older costly NES/Mini NT runs multiple cores. That junky retron5 was like what $160 when it came out, and it dumped carts into memory temporarily and didn't run roms either from the SD slot and it sells all over at local shops and online. I can't see a reason why a non-piece of crap like the SNT couldn't with a real backer behind it for mass pressings of the hardware couldn't match if not likely drop an ok level below that. You're simply not going to see a sub-$100 FPGA-based system any time soon. We'll likely have to wait at least a few years for something like that to happen. For a big box, mass market product, there's simply no place for something anywhere near or above that price range. It's hard enough getting $80 hardware at retailers like that. They'd much rather have stuff in the $10 - $30 range. In the mean-time, those of us in the know will have to pay in the $200 range for those types of FPGA systems. Not a major deal, especially because for most purposes, and especially mass market purposes, standard emulation boxes are just fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Why do you say that? It's because of how the rom is handled internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I know that's not the detailed answer you're looking for, maybe a developer would care to comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmervine Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I was really hoping that this would have 5.X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I was really hoping that this would have 5.X Bill hasn't said that it doesn't. He only said that there's a chance it won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 As long as it's easily upgradable to 5 I'm fine with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 As long as it's easily upgradable to 5 I'm fine with it. If it comes with 3.x there will be a reason for that. And then it definitely will not be upgradable easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan88 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 If it comes with 3.x there will be a reason for that. And then it definitely will not be upgradable easily. I'm sure the Retron 77 people are learning that the hard way. It sounds like V5 is in the current FB9 demo units, so there is hope. If At Games is successful in putting out a product that runs on Stella V5 or higher, along with the SD card, it will immediately be a better product than their predecessors based on compatibility alone! I will be a happy camper that I waited patiently instead of buying the first thing that came to market... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I know most of this is all around atari as it's an atari site, but is there anything new to talk about with the Genesis, especially maybe finally bringing the handheld up to snuff with the console or is it another garbage year for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmadgames Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I know most of this is all around atari as it's an atari site, but is there anything new to talk about with the Genesis, especially maybe finally bringing the handheld up to snuff with the console or is it another garbage year for it? I think Bill said there are going to be some improvements on the handhelds, but not in terms of build quality/screen size or emulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I think Bill said there are going to be some improvements on the handhelds, but not in terms of build quality/screen size or emulation. This is correct. For the handhelds that come out this year, the emulation base is the same, but there are other feature improvements and tweaks. Otherwise, it's the same basic handhelds. Maybe next year will have complete redesigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 If it comes with 3.x there will be a reason for that. And then it definitely will not be upgradable easily. This is likely true. If there's no 5.x implementation this year, it's obviously the target for next. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whbinder Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Well, this has been a tight year and I was sad that I was only going to be able to get the Flashback 9 and not the NeoGeo mini, but I just got a raise. So I'm not going to go crazy, but I think I might be able to get both now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I said it last year and then early on in the year before that. I can wait another year it seems. The firecore is 100% unacceptable. I'll be curious to see how the console comes up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I said it last year and then early on in the year before that. I can wait another year it seems. The firecore is 100% unacceptable. Aww, it's better than that ... if you turn the sound off. I'm with you, I want the Genesis portable to improve, too. I thought it was the mutt's nuts when I first got it back in 2008 or so. I agree, it should be closer to perfect by now. At least it's cheap, and you can add more games via SDcard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Nut Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 This is likely true. If there's no 5.x implementation this year, it's obviously the target for next. In that case I will pass on this year's model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derFunkenstein Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) I know that's not the detailed answer you're looking for, maybe a developer would care to comment. Without some sort of viable real-time access, cart compatibility will always be limited. Just look at the Polymega. I feel like we're getting awfully close to Christmas shopping season to be waiting for details on the 2018 AtGames lineup. Hopefully the announcening is coming soon. I'm floored that there hasn't at least been a LITTLE official talk about the Mega Drive Mini. It was announced five months ago now. Edited September 6, 2018 by derFunkenstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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