AtariGeezer Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just ordered these (20 ea) 6 Pin Cables w/6 pin Right Angle connectors: https://www.ebay.com/itm/273522982615 Looks like I'll have 18 to send to 18 lucky people in the U.S. after I receive them for the cost of shipping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 For those willing to mod their case, could the internal SIO pins just be directly wired to a similar plug as the cart end set into the A8's casing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 i'm not sure what exactly do you mean but the answer most likely would be "yes" and the subsequent question would be "why?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 7 hours ago, AtariGeezer said: Just ordered these (20 ea) 6 Pin Cables w/6 pin Right Angle connectors: https://www.ebay.com/itm/273522982615 Looks like I'll have 18 to send to 18 lucky people in the U.S. after I receive them for the cost of shipping. Hmmmm, package size is 20cmx20cmx25cm - but what is the actual cable length? Since I only have 800XL computers I need a cable that is long enough from the (upwards oriented) Cartport to the SIOport... on the XE the SIO and Cart ports are next to each other, not so on the XL's (not to mention the 400/800/1200XL)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Could the red and white wires be soldered together on the PCB pads? Or are they used to detect the cable is plugged in? Was thinking I could use a 4 way connector, and a jumper wire. Maybe. This is a fantastic development, the AVG is the best thing I ever bought for my Atari, and it just gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) those 2 wires are ground and a signal line that is not 5v tolerant (unlike the other 4), i had no use for them so i thought about using it as a cable detect and that's why they're joined of course you can join them on the board but i'd probably suggest doing so via 10k resistor just to be safe, i'll test the value later and will let you know Edited April 27, 2020 by tmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Ok. That's sounds good. I assume the cartridge works exactly as before when loading .xex .car file etc, and its just the .atr loader which changes to SIO when the cable is detected. So, having the sound and signal line connected permanently via a resistor doesnt affect anything else? What I'm thinking of is a 4 conductor 3.5mm jack socket, if I can get one to fit on the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, tmp said: the subsequent question would be "why?" I understand this has been done before with SIO2PC (USB) so that you just plug a stock USB cable from your PC to USB port mounted in your case, so similar principle. "Why" would be this not needing the cable from the AVG cart connecting to a Molex plug and hence freeing up the SIO socket, a "thru" socket'd solution just doesn't appeal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Who's going to be the first person to mount an AVG cart PCB internally with just the SD/Buttons sticking out and an on/off switch so the cart slot can still be used? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) Hello Steve 1 hour ago, Mr Robot said: Who's going to be the first person to mount an AVG cart PCB internally with just the SD/Buttons sticking out and an on/off switch so the cart slot can still be used? In a 600XL, with VideoXE, Ultimate1MB, Stereo Upgrade, SIO2PC, FujiNet, etc... Sincerely Mathy Edited April 27, 2020 by Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Mathy said: Hello Steve In a 600XL, with VideoXE, Ultimate1MB, Stereo Upgrade, SIO2PC, FujiNet, etc... Sincerely Mathy Unfortunately I sold my 600xl with all those mods ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Hello guys 1 hour ago, Wrathchild said: I understand this has been done before with SIO2PC (USB) so that you just plug a stock USB cable from your PC to USB port mounted in your case, so similar principle. AtariMax Sincerely Mathy PS sorry, dinner is ready, need to go off-line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 11 hours ago, CharlieChaplin said: Hmmmm, package size is 20cmx20cmx25cm - but what is the actual cable length? Since I only have 800XL computers I need a cable that is long enough from the (upwards oriented) Cartport to the SIOport... on the XE the SIO and Cart ports are next to each other, not so on the XL's (not to mention the 400/800/1200XL)... Going by this pic, they should be long enough for my needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 random observation: standard atr emulation via osxex breaks when one enables hsio in u1mb why nobody ever reported this is beyond me let this be a piece of useful information buried in tens of pages of this thread (at least for the time being) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) No U1MB here...Just standard setup... Edited April 29, 2020 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, tmp said: random observation: standard atr emulation via osxex breaks when one enables hsio in u1mb Naturally, if the OS polls PBI handlers before performing its internal IO. Not really a big deal for U1MB users, however, since they can just put the AVG cart into SIDE2 mode and use the PBI-based ATR handling, which is preferable to any RAM-based OS solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/26/2020 at 5:52 PM, tmp said: yes, that looks ok that cable will be long enough for 800xe but will need extending for xl Thanks for the hint. I have doubled the cable length (~30cm) to support XL, too. A few pictures below, so one can better estimate dimensions: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 V nice... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 nice but we need shielding, I know some folks don't car about the noise generated, but it's much better for radio signal of all types that the shielding be on the Atari and it's cables... the lengths folks have gone to in making PCB's have ground planes is an example of how it should be, inside at the board level and out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Hello guys With the latest firmware version (19 IIRC), would only the search feature be faster or everything the AVG cart does? (read: Can we increase the bitrate that is used to create a FujiConvert file?) Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I can verify that SIDE2 IDE emulation also got a lot faster with the latest AVG firmware update. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Hello Jon, guys 1 minute ago, flashjazzcat said: I can verify that SIDE2 IDE emulation also got a lot faster with the latest AVG firmware update. So all we have to do now is ask @Xuel to increase the maximum setting for FujiConvert. Jon, do you have an idea how high we would be able to go? Sincerely Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mathy said: Jon, do you have an idea how high we would be able to go? I don't Mathy; I have yet to try the AVG's AV player, so have little idea what it is capable of. I will have to check it out. EDIT: D'Oh... of course you mean my player. Sorry. I haven't tested mine on AVG yet, but AVG's IDE emulation is not going to be faster than a SIDE2, so we are not suddenly going to see faster playback rates than were possible already. Edited April 29, 2020 by flashjazzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: nice but we need shielding, I know some folks don't car about the noise generated, but it's much better for radio signal of all types that the shielding be on the Atari and it's cables... the lengths folks have gone to in making PCB's have ground planes is an example of how it should be, inside at the board level and out. I took a shielded, flexible wire and reworked my AVG SIO cable. I don"t think it really matters, but who knows... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Not only functional, but looks much nicer! Cool! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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