Marius Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 11 hours ago, tmp said: AVG, cart with amazing features, really could use some esthetically updates. Side loader is milestones ahead when it comes to User Interface and looks. I never scroll through windows, but simply type a keyword or part of that, so I don't care for screens with more titles listed. Search facility on Side loader is really fast. On a cf or sd card with thousands of titles 24 lines is still not much... Why did you post that comparison? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 About the 800 not closing... BITD, I used a corn dog stick. Perfect thickness! Now a question about the screen shots. I noticed that the SAGA "Adventureland" is shown, and appears twice on each screen. Were these versions patched so that images didn't need swapping (maybe an XEX file?) or is there a non-destructive way to load the second side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Larry said: I noticed that the SAGA "Adventureland" is shown, and appears twice on each screen. Were these versions patched so that images didn't need swapping (maybe an XEX file?) or is there a non-destructive way to load the second side? The top entry is an XEX. The lower entry contains ATRs (sides A and B). With SIDE3/U1MB, the second image can be swapped with the first via the ATR swap button. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Marius said: AVG, cart with amazing features, really could use some esthetically updates. Side loader is milestones ahead when it comes to User Interface and looks. I never scroll through windows, but simply type a keyword or part of that, so I don't care for screens with more titles listed. Search facility on Side loader is really fast. On a cf or sd card with thousands of titles 24 lines is still not much... Why did you post that comparison? My guess... AVG* cart. simple screen display... pro: displays more titles, displays more chars. of the full title name (afair does not scroll) con: looks extremely simple (cheap, antique like a typewriter...) * has a search function; black text on white background (some prefer that-readability); SIDEB* cart. prof. screen display: pro: looks very good/professional (eye-catcher) con: displays less titles, displays less chars. of the full title name (think it scrolls?) * has a search function; white text on black background (some prefer that-readability); My subjective opinion: If you know the contents of your card and simply type a keyword or part of that, then the number of titles on the card or the length of the title (chars. displayed) for sure does not matter. But, errrm, let's say you just copied someone else's card or downloaded thousands of titles from the internet (or e.g. hundreds of AVF movies and PDM soundfiles) and do not know the content and therefore want to scroll through the contents, then a display with more titiles or more chars for the title name is maybe better- isn't it ?!? On the other hand, after a while you surely know (or partially know) what's on your card, but as someone once said, to be able to successfully search for something, you already have to know what you are searching (part of the name, etc.). I am not sure if the search function of the AVG or SIDEB cart. is case sensitive or not, if it accepts SAGA as well as S.A.G.A., etc. so you may have to type in search strings precisely. (That's something I quite often fail at atarimania's search function and therefore have to search manually by going through all titles under a certain letter, especially if I do not know if a title is one word or two words, two words with hyphen or two words with space, a title with the article "the" or without article, etc. - and if one of these things is wrong, then I get zero results...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) Maybe it's showing that you can use the SIDEB loader on the AVG if you want? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit: Whatever it is it's definitely from the FaceBook comment farming playbook Edited November 1, 2020 by Mr Robot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 What is handy is that if you use Side AND AVG then they are very similar at what they do and how they do it so there's little chance of confusion.. Both use clever and thoughtful features and both are in constant development..Win Win for both all around..Deffo a win for us users.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) I've been using the SIDE loader for five years now, more or less every day, but I also wrote the front end for the Ultimate Cart, which displays about twice as many filenames per screen. Nothing about twenty filenames vs. ten makes me want to reach for the Ultimate Cart, since - despite displaying half the number of filenames per page - the SIDE and SIDE3 loaders feel twice as usable as the Ultimate Cart loader, to me at least. While it's perfectly reasonable that some users may prefer one method of presentation over the other, more often than not, the number of filenames per page in the SIDE loader seems to be a wedge issue wheeled out when there is nothing else of substance to complain about. As I've said before: there is a difference between a user interface and a list. If your application has no menus, and thus no need to navigate between said menus, does not display information such as the path to the current directory, a status line, etc, your UI can quite literally be a list. You can devote the entire display to data because there is nothing else to display. Of course, I can only speculate that all this is the reason for tmp's photo collage until he replies to my PM. I'm a little puzzled, since the SIDE loader which runs on his own hardware has the exact same UI as the SIDE3 loader, and yet he suddenly felt inspired to present a comparison hours after I uploaded a video describing how to use SIDE3. I'm not aware of anything in the content of the video which invited focus on how many filenames one's loader displays per page (unless simply demonstrating the functionality of the SIDE3 cartridge was a catalyst in itself), but there is a comment under the video which may have resulted in sudden excited invocation of the screenshot function. Of course, such comparisons - once invited - can easily backfire for other reasons. Edited November 1, 2020 by flashjazzcat typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, flashjazzcat said: Of course, I can only speculate that all this is the reason for tmp's photo collage until he replies to my PM. I'm a little puzzled, since the SIDE loader which runs on his own hardware has the exact same UI as the SIDE3 loader, and yet he suddenly felt inspired to present a comparison hours after I uploaded a video describing how to use SIDE3. Maybe Mr. Robot is right and tmp only wanted to show that the SIDE3 loader also works on the AVG cart ?!? As you've already said, both AVG and SIDE-3 carts are so good, there is nothing of substance to complain about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: Maybe Mr. Robot is right and tmp only wanted to show that the SIDE3 loader also works on the AVG cart ?!? Doubtful, since the SIDE3 loader doesn't work on the AVG cart. 6 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: As you've already said, both AVG and SIDE-3 carts are so good, there is nothing of substance to complain about. Absolutely! Two great products and I have nothing but admiration for what tmp has accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Hello guys We need 80 column device drivers for those cartridges! Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Mathy said: Hello guys We need 80 column device drivers for those cartridges! Sincerely Mathy VBXE drivers for them - yes, that would be awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 12 hours ago, Stephen said: VBXE drivers for them - yes, that would be awesome A fairly trivial undertaking for those whose UI is a list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin1968 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 4/25/2020 at 12:39 AM, tmp said: What is the pinout for this to make my own cable, and what is the part number for the connector to the AVGCart (Header) or specs? Thanks, Gavin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gavin1968 said: What is the pinout for this to make my own cable, and what is the part number for the connector to the AVGCart (Header) or specs? Thanks, Gavin https://atari8bit.net/tutorials/de-re-avgcart/#DIY_SIO_Cable_Mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin1968 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/6/2020 at 10:29 AM, Mr Robot said: https://atari8bit.net/tutorials/de-re-avgcart/#DIY_SIO_Cable_Mod I found that right after I posted, thanks as always Steve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I have short AVG2SIO cable. Is possible to buy somewhere SIO cable extension ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 never seen one of those...I basically just soldered two together in the end.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 3:33 PM, Poison said: I have short AVG2SIO cable. Is possible to buy somewhere SIO cable extension ? Probably be easier and more cost effective to make a new cable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 9:33 PM, Poison said: I have short AVG2SIO cable. Is possible to buy somewhere SIO cable extension ? If you are interested I can send you one of the SIO-cables my friend made for me (length approx. 95cm, long enough I think)... it looks like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs80065xe Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Can the AVG cart be bypassed at boot in favor of booting from disk? Just curious. I'm looking for ways to minimize wear and tear on 30+ year old hardware. And I worry removing cartridges will eventually cause a mechanical failure. Edited November 10, 2020 by gs80065xe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, gs80065xe said: Can the AVG cart be bypassed at boot in favor of booting from disk? Just curious. I'm looking for ways to minimize wear and tear on 30+ year old hardware. And I worry removing cartridges will eventually cause a mechanical failure. Yes. Press Esc .. AVG cart also allows you to force Cold Reset, so you can give the power switch some rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs80065xe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Thanks. Missed that in De Re AVGCART. I was thinking it would require being done with the external buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewiS Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Oohhhhh...Very nice indeed tmp....Any news when this will go live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.