Half-Saint Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Hi all, I recently pulled my Atari 2600jr from storage for testing. I only have one cart to play with (Battlezone) and it's not really working. I'm connecting it via RF using the original cable. There is sound but video is very very distorted and from time to time disappears altogether. Basically it's unusable in this state. What could be the culprit? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Are you using a coax adapter? If not, do you have one you could try out on a coax-equipped TV set? If it works with the little RF-coax piece, that would give some additional info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 I forgot to mention I'm in Europe. We don't use coax connectors in TVs. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 I forgot to mention I'm in Europe. We don't use coax connectors in TVs. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk You may need a special adapter, try here: And if you have an RF to COAX adapter slip that onto THIS https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/F-Connector-Female-TV-Video-AV-Adapters-Converters/32834/bn_18502590 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 I tried several different RF cables and I don't believe that is the problem. Here is a short video showing the problem: I tried manually adjusting the hex-screw for picture quality and it doesn't get any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I tried several different RF cables and I don't believe that is the problem. Here is a short video showing the problem: I tried manually adjusting the hex-screw for picture quality and it doesn't get any better. Once again, see my comment above, your connection is non coaxial so this converts your antenna TO coaxial and then you can get the RF to COAX adapter to fit to THIS one and it should decode the signal, the Antenna input will not decode the signal on it's own as it is not built for it, the 2 adapters you need are pictured below, the top one is in the link, it will convert the antenna input to coaxial, after that you can use the screw on RCA to COAX adapter on it and both together will properly decode the Atari, if you are trying to use an automatic switchbox like a Nintendo has, the 2600 will not have the power needed to trip the automatic switch as it was not designed for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 Sorry but what you linked to is just an adapter, it doesn't convert or decode anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Sorry but what you linked to is just an adapter, it doesn't convert or decode anything. Actually that's where I beg to differ, because if you just plug the Atari itself into the UK antenna connector it will not work point blank, I helped someone else out that had a similar problem because THEY were plugging the RCA cable into the Antenna hookup as well and the TV couldn't read the signal, with the combination of these 2 Adapters it can, I am in the electronics business so I make it my business to know these things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Your antenna input is like the one seen on this TV panel correct? The one above the 5 RCA jacks? If it is and you are trying to direct connect the RCA wire of the Atari into that it will not work, the antenna input is not built for it to receive the signal hence why you barely get a picture. Using the 2 adapters I showed you TOGETHER will give you the needed picture AND sound, as I said I recommended doing it this way to ANOTHER member and it worked for them because they had a similar problem, if you are trying to utilize a yellow video jack on the back of the TV if it has one, that also will not work. Sorry to say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Hi Rich, again, your connector does not convert anything as there is no "coaxial signal". A standard euro antenna cable is coax by definition just with a different connector. In Europe we used the round plug-in connector instead of the screw-on connector that you guys use in the US. While it is true that the screw-on connector produces a much more secure connection, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the signal quality. The reason why it worked in the case of the other forum member could be that he was using a busted cable? Just guessing. The RF out was widely used in the 80s and early 90s on a bazillion computers and consoles. It was a pretty much standard way of connecting stuff to the TV. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Atari. My guess is that the RF modulator in the Atari is causing the problem or something else. I checked all the solder joints and they look brand sparkling new. Apart from a bit of dust, the PCB is also very clean. Cheers EDIT: the voltage on the big 2200uF 16V capacitor is 10.18V and the voltage regulator outputs 4.91V which should be fine. Edited May 22, 2018 by Half-Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Adding to Half-Saint's comments above:The only dedicated 2600 I've owned (I'm not counting the 7800 currently in storage) was an Irish-market, Irish-manufacture 2600jr. It was used in Ireland on a PAL television, and only had RF output - no SCART, S-Video, or composite. As far as I'm aware, this was the standard model for PAL markets. I believe (though I could be mistaken) that there were SECAM 2600jr models made with SCART output. However, my understanding is that those models were specific to the French market, where SECAM was the TV standard and SCART connections were required for A/V devices designed to connect to a television. SECAM and PAL are not directly-compatible, though they are close in spec - a SECAM signal will generally display on a PAL TV, though likely with no colour and distorted sound. As this relates to the original conversation: coax (as mentioned previously) is still used in Europe for free-to-air television. The European antenna connector (aka the 'Type F', IIRC) connector is a push-on, not screw-on, device as it is in the US. It is not the same form factor as an RCA connector, and it's difficult to confuse (or mistakenly connect) the two. Having said that: Half-Saint, I suspect that your 2600 is having a hardware issue. If your TV is still capable of tuning free-to-air broadcasts, it should be able to tune into the 2600's signal. My guess is that the RF modulator is shot, but first check that the TV can handle analogue RF signals; some newer ones may not be able to. Given that it looks to be in sync with the 2600, I'm guessing that it can - but Internet diagnoses can sometimes be wrong, especially now that I live in NTSC-land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Hi Rich, again, your connector does not convert anything as there is no "coaxial signal". A standard euro antenna cable is coax by definition just with a different connector. In Europe we used the round plug-in connector instead of the screw-on connector that you guys use in the US. While it is true that the screw-on connector produces a much more secure connection, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the signal quality. The reason why it worked in the case of the other forum member could be that he was using a busted cable? Just guessing. The RF out was widely used in the 80s and early 90s on a bazillion computers and consoles. It was a pretty much standard way of connecting stuff to the TV. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Atari. My guess is that the RF modulator in the Atari is causing the problem or something else. I checked all the solder joints and they look brand sparkling new. Apart from a bit of dust, the PCB is also very clean. Cheers EDIT: the voltage on the big 2200uF 16V capacitor is 10.18V and the voltage regulator outputs 4.91V which should be fine. Then connect the Atari up, show me how it is connected and I'll flat out TELL you what the problem IS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Adding to Half-Saint's comments above: The only dedicated 2600 I've owned (I'm not counting the 7800 currently in storage) was an Irish-market, Irish-manufacture 2600jr. It was used in Ireland on a PAL television, and only had RF output - no SCART, S-Video, or composite. As far as I'm aware, this was the standard model for PAL markets. I believe (though I could be mistaken) that there were SECAM 2600jr models made with SCART output. However, my understanding is that those models were specific to the French market, where SECAM was the TV standard and SCART connections were required for A/V devices designed to connect to a television. SECAM and PAL are not directly-compatible, though they are close in spec - a SECAM signal will generally display on a PAL TV, though likely with no colour and distorted sound. As this relates to the original conversation: coax (as mentioned previously) is still used in Europe for free-to-air television. The European antenna connector (aka the 'Type F', IIRC) connector is a push-on, not screw-on, device as it is in the US. It is not the same form factor as an RCA connector, and it's difficult to confuse (or mistakenly connect) the two. Having said that: Half-Saint, I suspect that your 2600 is having a hardware issue. If your TV is still capable of tuning free-to-air broadcasts, it should be able to tune into the 2600's signal. My guess is that the RF modulator is shot, but first check that the TV can handle analogue RF signals; some newer ones may not be able to. Given that it looks to be in sync with the 2600, I'm guessing that it can - but Internet diagnoses can sometimes be wrong, especially now that I live in NTSC-land Hi Rich, again, your connector does not convert anything as there is no "coaxial signal". A standard euro antenna cable is coax by definition just with a different connector. In Europe we used the round plug-in connector instead of the screw-on connector that you guys use in the US. While it is true that the screw-on connector produces a much more secure connection, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the signal quality. The reason why it worked in the case of the other forum member could be that he was using a busted cable? Just guessing. The RF out was widely used in the 80s and early 90s on a bazillion computers and consoles. It was a pretty much standard way of connecting stuff to the TV. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Atari. My guess is that the RF modulator in the Atari is causing the problem or something else. I checked all the solder joints and they look brand sparkling new. Apart from a bit of dust, the PCB is also very clean. Cheers EDIT: the voltage on the big 2200uF 16V capacitor is 10.18V and the voltage regulator outputs 4.91V which should be fine. Ok let me put this to you in a way I KNOW you can understand.......The ATARI has an RCA type plug on the wire, directly pushing IT into the UK based antenna connection WILL NOT WORK PERIOD, it would work about as well as putting a modern music CD on a TURNTABLE and trying to use a NEEDLE to play it. You asked for help and I gave you exactly and precisely the answer to the problem. You don't want the TRUTH then DON'T ASK it's that simple and I can't make it any clearer. Doing it YOUR way makes about as much sense as cutting the RCA plug OFF the wire and then stripping the inner wires and connecting them to screw terminals on a non cable-ready TV, It would NEVER work simply put you CANNOT push an RCA plug into a Belling-Lee connector and expect the Atari to work, the 2 are NOT COMPATIBLE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Hi Rich, again, your connector does not convert anything as there is no "coaxial signal". A standard euro antenna cable is coax by definition just with a different connector. In Europe we used the round plug-in connector instead of the screw-on connector that you guys use in the US. While it is true that the screw-on connector produces a much more secure connection, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the signal quality. The reason why it worked in the case of the other forum member could be that he was using a busted cable? Just guessing. The RF out was widely used in the 80s and early 90s on a bazillion computers and consoles. It was a pretty much standard way of connecting stuff to the TV. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Atari. My guess is that the RF modulator in the Atari is causing the problem or something else. I checked all the solder joints and they look brand sparkling new. Apart from a bit of dust, the PCB is also very clean. Cheers EDIT: the voltage on the big 2200uF 16V capacitor is 10.18V and the voltage regulator outputs 4.91V which should be fine. I am guessing you are pushing the Atari's RF cable into THIS connector, am I right? If so it will not work because the wire coming off the Atari is is an RCA connector not Belling-Lee and as such is not cross compatible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) I know you're just trying to help but there's no need to get upset. I'm refusing to believe what you're saying simply because it doesn't make any sense to me. I also have a background in electronics and computers. The RF modulator in the Atari produces a signal that a TV can pick up as it would pick up a regular TV signal on the antenna. The only difference here is you only get one channel. The connector has nothing to do with it! Just because you add one connector on top of the other, it doesn't change the signal. EDIT: yes, I'm using the exact same connector on TV side as the picture above. Sorry, didn't come out the best but this is the cable I'm using. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Edited May 23, 2018 by Half-Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 That would be the Atari RF cable with the RF Suppressing Torrid on it, I know it well and it's not designed for use with the Belling-Lee connector: Atari 2600 / 2600A / 2600Jr long Upgraded RF cable w/ RF suppressing clamp on Torrid CB101710I know it well If you are trying to use the RCA connector in the Belling-Lee antenna input connector it is as I said, it will not work, not because of what you were misconstruing as a need for the signal to be decoded but it's like pushing a square peg into a round hole. The RCA and Belling-Lee connectors are not, nor have they ever been compatible with each other even Wikipedia backs this up TextSent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 That would be the Atari RF cable with the RF Suppressing Torrid on it, I know it well and it's not designed for use with the Belling-Lee connector: Atari 2600 / 2600A / 2600Jr long Upgraded RF cable w/ RF suppressing clamp on Torrid CB101710 I know it well So, why does it have a Belling-Lee connector on the other end from the factory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So, why does it have a Belling-Lee connector on the other end from the factory? Actually look close it isn't a Belling-Lee connector it's an enclosed RCA connector with a short pin, not Belling-Lee, I have one in my hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So, why does it have a Belling-Lee connector on the other end from the factory? I found this in another thread on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) Actually look close it isn't a Belling-Lee connector it's an enclosed RCA connector with a short pin, not Belling-Lee, I have one in my hands No, it's not. An RCA connector does not fit in the antenna jack as the pin is thicker. I just tested the Atari cable with a C64 and it works fine on the same TV. Edited May 23, 2018 by Half-Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 No, it's not. An RCA connector does not fit in the antenna jack as the pin is thicker. I just tested the Atari cable with a C64 and it works fine on the same TV. Does your Atari have a channel select switch, if so what are the numbers? Channel select should be the switch to the far right as the front of it is facing you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Added some pics to the previous post as proof Yes, the switch says '2-3' but when set to '2', the TV doesn't pick up anything (should be picked up at 55 MHz). '3' gets picked up at 61 MHz but barely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Added some pics to the previous post as proof Yes, the switch says '2-3' but when set to '2', the TV doesn't pick up anything (should be picked up at 55 MHz). '3' gets picked up at 61 MHz but barely. I'm guessing the TV has no channel search function, because powering the unit on with a game in and running a channel scan USUALLY works in the TV has the function Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Saint Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oh no, it has auto search as well as the option to do it manually. It's just not picking up the signal. I'll open up the tuner and see what's up, if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+RichG1972 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oh no, it has auto search as well as the option to do it manually. It's just not picking up the signal. I'll open up the tuner and see what's up, if I can. Just on a whim here post the unit's bottom serial number certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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