Metal Jesus Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 What games do you think the sequels were better then the originals? Somebody in the comments mentioned Pitfall II and I'm kicking myself for not mentioning that! Also... System Shock 2 improved everything about the clunky original... Also Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn was a masterpiece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Game sequels aren't like movie sequels. They're almost ALWAYS better! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Uh, a lot. Especially if you count later installments of long-running series. Some of my favorites, though: Galaga > Galaxian Super C > Contra Resident Evil 2 > Resident Evil Twisted Metal 2 > Twisted Metal GTA2 > GTA Sonic Adventure 2 > Sonic Adventure (yeah, I said it) Donkey Kong Jr. > Donkey Kong Tekken 2 > Tekken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Jesus Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Game sequels aren't like movie sequels. They're almost ALWAYS better! Funny how that works, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Jesus Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 GTA2 > GTA In general the Grand Theft Auto series have just been getting better and better... I think GTA5 is a masterpiece... and I can't wait to see what they do with GTA6 and Red Dead Redemption 2!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punisher5.0 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 DKC2 RE2 Need for Speed 2 Twisted Metal 2 Portal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticGamer Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Street Fighter 2 is a no brainer. Sonic 2. Team Fortress 2. Tomb Raider 2. Silent Hill 2. I like the western Super Mario Bros. 2 bettter than the first game and Lost Levels, but they're completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltigro Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Is 1943 considered a sequel to 1942? Because it's definitely better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I like the SNES version of StarFox so much better than the Atari VCS original. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) Most of mine are C64 games but here is my list: Sequel better: Pitfall II > Pitfall (Atari 2600) Mrs. PacMan > PacMan (Atari 2600) Beach Head II > Beach Head (C64) Summer Games II > Summer Games Pitstop II > Pitstop I (C64) There are a lot of sequels I consider as good but different: Impossible Mission II / Impossible Mission (C64) Dig Dug II / Dig Dug (Arcade) Frogger II / Frogger (C64) Beyond Forbidden Forest / Forbidden Forest (C64) Spy vs. Spy II / Spy vs. Spy (C64) Sequel much worse: Ghostbusters II < Ghostbusters (C64) California Games II < California Games (DOS/C64) Spy Hunter II < Spy Hunter (NES/C64) Exploding Fist II < Exploding Fist (C64) Revenge of the Mutant Camels < Attack of the Mutant Camels (C64) Edited May 29, 2018 by thetick1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BydoEmpire Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I'm sure some disagree, but for me: Millipede > Centipede Ms. Pac Man > Pac Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Jesus Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Beach Head II > Beach Head (C64) Digging all the C64 love! And especially mentioning the Beach Head series! You never heard about that these days... Nice list! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Digging all the C64 love! And especially mentioning the Beach Head series! You never heard about that these days... Nice list! That voice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsicle Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) Star Control II Diablo II Edited May 29, 2018 by popsicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 i always felt that Warcraft II was way superior to the original Warcraft. Mega Man 2 is imo better than Mega Man 1, and Mega Man 3 has some things that I think were done better than 2. Similar progression with Castlevania 1-3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Successor better than Predecessor: (Arcade) 1943 > 1942 (Arcade) Asteroids Deluxe > Asteroids (Arcade) Astro Blaster > Astro Fighter (Arcade) Galaga > Galaxian (Arcade) Gauntlet II > Gauntlet (Arcade) Pole Position II > Pole Position (Arcade) Ms. Pac-Man > Pac-Man (Arcade) Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > Marvel Vs Capcom (Arcade) Mortal Kombat II > Mortal Kombat (Arcade) Pole Position II > Pole Position (Arcade) Shadow Dancer > Shinobi (Arcade) Street Fighter II > Street Fighter (Arcade) TMNT Turtles In Time > TMNT (2600) Pitfall II Lost Caverns > Pitfall (C64) Boulder Dash II > Boulder Dash (C64) Pitstop II > Pitstop (C64) Test Drive II: The Duel > Test Drive (NES) Castlevania III > Castlevania II (NES) Double Dragon II > Double Dragon (NES) Super Mario Bros 3 > Super Mario Bros 2 (NES) Mega Man 2 > Mega Man (NES) TMNT 2 > TMNT (DOS) Doom II > Doom (DOS) Alone in the Dark 2 > Alone in the Dark (DOS) Crime Wave > Mean Streets (DOS) King's Quest IV > King's Quest III (DOS) Space Quest III > Space Quest II (SNES) Final Fight 2 > Final Fight (SNES) Mega Man X 2 > Mega Man X Predecessor better than Successor: (Apple II) Transylvania > The Crimson Crown (Arcade) Berzerk > Frenzy (Arcade) Centipede > Millipede (Arcade) Ms. Pac-Man > Jr. Pac-Man (Arcade) Defender > Stargate (Arcade) Donkey Kong > Donkey Kong Jr (Arcade) Donkey Kong Jr > Donkey Kong 3 (Arcade) Dragon's Lair > Dragon's Lair II - Time Warp (Arcade) Ghosts'n Goblins > Ghouls'n Ghosts (Arcade) Ikari Warriors > Ikari Warriors II (Arcade) Joust > Joust 2 (Arcade) Phoenix > Pleiades (Arcade) Q*bert > Q-Bert's Qubes (Arcade) Smash TV > Total Carnage (Arcade) Star Wars > Empire Strikes Back (Arcade) Time Pilot > Time Pilot '84 (2600) River Raid > River Raid II (C64) Archon > Archon II (C64) BC's Quest For Tires > Grog's Revenge (C64) Impossible Mission > Impossible Mission II (C64) Rambo First Blood Part II > Rambo 3 (C64) Super Pipeline > Super Pipeline 2 (NES) Castlevania > Castlevania II (NES) Contra > Super C (NES) Super C > Contra Force (NES) Double Dragon II > Double Dragon III (NES) R.C. Pro-Am > R.C. Pro-Am II (NES) Indiana Jones TOD > Indiana Jones LC (NES) Super Mario Bros > Super Mario Bros 2 (NES) Legend of Zelda > Zelda II - AoL (NES) Mega Man 2 > Mega Man 3 (DOS) Thexder > Fire Hawk (DOS) Barbarian > Barbarian II (DOS) Battle Chess > Battle Chess II (DOS) Maniac Mansion > Day of the Tentacle (DOS) King's Quest IV > King's Quest V (DOS) Space Quest III > Space Quest IV (DOS) Prince of Persia > Prince of Persia 2 (DOS) Starflight > Starflight II (DOS) Wasteland > Fountain of Dreams (Genesis) Sonic the Hedgehog > Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Genesis) Streets of Rage 2 > Streets of Rage 3 (Genesis) Earthworm Jim > Earthworm Jim 2 (Genesis) Maximum Carnage > Separation Anxiety (SNES) Super Castlevania IV > Castlevania Dracula X 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) (C64) Impossible Mission > Impossible Mission II I would not say Impossible Mission II is less as to me it is almost equal but different. Impossible Mission on C64 is just so many first and it is real classic gem and definitely the best C64 game of it's time. I actually enjoy Impossible Mission II better as it has more complex layouts, more options and is actually much easier. I was able to complete IM II without cheating. IM I completed a month or so ago but I had to cheat with unlimited time!! It took me 34 year to complete and I even had to cheat! Edited May 30, 2018 by thetick1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Digging all the C64 love! And especially mentioning the Beach Head series! You never heard about that these days... Nice list! I missed the entire NES / Sega epoch! I went from Atari 2600 / VIC 20 --> C64 --> PC VGA games. Note for me the Arcade spans this entire timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 That voice.... The voices in Beach Head II were amazing for the time.... "Hey don't shoot me"..."I'm hurt" .. "You can't hurt me!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepthaw Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I think video game sequels are often superior to the originals because they're iterations on a design. Designers had the ability to see what did and didn't work, and apply that to the follow-up. The means "X+1 is basically X but better." Castlevania III is basically Castlevania but better. Halo 2 is basically Halo but better. Ninja Gaiden 2 is basically Ninja Gaiden but better. Half-Life 2 is basically Half-Life but better. Super C is basically Contra but better. etc. This is hard to do with movies because if you do the same thing again, it risks feeling derivative. How many movie sequels tried to be the same but better/bigger and fell flat? (Matrix Reloaded, Hangover 2, Anchorman 2, etc.) Unless it's Godfather/Godfather II, then it's a goddamned masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepthaw Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 i always felt that Warcraft II was way superior to the original Warcraft. Mega Man 2 is imo better than Mega Man 1, and Mega Man 3 has some things that I think were done better than 2. Similar progression with Castlevania 1-3. I think the only reason Mega Man 3 isn't held up as one of the true greats on NES is because Mega Man 2 exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I think video game sequels are often superior to the originals because they're iterations on a design. Designers had the ability to see what did and didn't work, and apply that to the follow-up. The means "X+1 is basically X but better." Castlevania III is basically Castlevania but better. Halo 2 is basically Halo but better. Ninja Gaiden 2 is basically Ninja Gaiden but better. Half-Life 2 is basically Half-Life but better. Super C is basically Contra but better. etc. This is hard to do with movies because if you do the same thing again, it risks feeling derivative. How many movie sequels tried to be the same but better/bigger and fell flat? (Matrix Reloaded, Hangover 2, Anchorman 2, etc.) Unless it's Godfather/Godfather II, then it's a goddamned masterpiece. I'll go out on a limb and say that I prefer Aliens to Alien- and both are great films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepthaw Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I'll go out on a limb and say that I prefer Aliens to Alien- and both are great films. I prefer Alien over Aliens, but I can see why people would view it other way. Both fantastic movies. The real brilliance was the willingness to put Aliens in a different genre (action-horror vs survival horror.) But I think that shows why good movie sequels are so rare compared to video game sequels. Aliens worked so well because it wasn't a retread of Alien. But if we totally shake up the formula for say, Contra, we'd not like it because we wanted more Contra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerj Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 House of the Dead 2 - Dreamcast Rogue Leader - Gamecube Bad Company 2 - 360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Jesus Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 Star Control II I haven't put nearly enough time into Star Control II...and every time it shows up in a list like this I'm reminded to bust out a copy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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