silentshadow56 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Hey Guys, I just made a big pick up from a former software developer during the early 80's for Atari and Mac and I've got a lot of Atari 400 and 800 stuff, but this is generally out of my depth of experience and I was hoping you guys could help me out? I'm not trying to make one of those nagging posts, but I got a lot of hardware and a lot of software and I'm sure some of it goes together, but again I have no idea. I am going to post some pictures and was hoping you could give me some general information on it, it's rarity, it's value? I've been looking around on FaceBook and people have been mentioning that I have earlier versions of certain hardware, but again can't get much more information beyond that and can't find anything in my searches so any help is greatly appreciated! Atari 400 Computer w/ Branded Dust Cover, Serial number printed 524053 & stamped 043, owner's guide (not pictured) Percom Double Disk Drive, Model RFD 44-S2, Serial number 3137003 KoalaPad Atari 800 w/ Dust Cover and 3 CX853 16K Ram & CX801 Operating System 10K Rom, Stamped Serial Number 002 8613, Owner's Guide (not pictured) Atari 830 Modem, Serial Number 125108 Atari 850 Modem, Serial Number printed AN004843 & stamped 500, Technical Manual & Operator's Manual (not pictured) Atari 410 Program Recorder, Serial Number 91235879 Atari 810 Disk Drive, Serial Number printed Z 25790 & Serial Number stamped ww351/14, Owner's Guide & An Introduction to the DOS (not pictured) Atari 810 Disk Drive, Serial Number printed Z 9759 & Seral Number Stamped ww500/12 Atari 400/800 Disk Guide All the units work and have the applicable cords, but aren't pictured and there is A LOT of software that goes along with it. I am going to post the software on a separate topic as I'm hoping it makes it easier to digest. If I were to turn around and attempt to sell it am I better off breaking it into pieces or does all of this together build a setup that while date is still fairly fantastic and not so easily pieced together?Again, any insight/advice/comments are greatly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Not that special. Maybe someone would want it more if they knew who the developer was or what they developed specifically. Otherwise, you can just list the bits individually on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcgldr Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 One of the rare things you have there is an acoustic coupler (modem) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler I have an Atari 400, but put in a proper keyboard. Fedco (a membership chain in California) was selling these for $70, with a $50 rebate,so the cost was $20. They sold out fairly quiclly. The keyboard cost more than the 400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 One of the rare things you have there is an acoustic coupler (modem) Rare meaning not highly sought after (then or now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I am always one for the software side of it, as a dev you often end up with things other have not, always good to to make atr's atx's and post them on the forum, then they can be sorted through, you will end up finding out what's exciting or not and what might command some attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I'd love to get one of those early 410's and the PERCOM RFD... not sure my space and wallet would appreciate them as much though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) Check if the 400 has 48K of RAM or the base 16KB. from BASIC cart enter ?FRE(0) - 37902 means 48K 410 would go with the 16K 400, or could try separately to see if its earlier 'rare' design holds value in it's own right. If the 400 has 48K you could bundle it with 1 810. group the 830 modem, 850 interface, and the Telelink I Cart together. 800 could sell on its own, or as a system with 1 or both 810's. Percom drive sell on its own KoalaPad, and KoalaPainter go together Edited July 7, 2018 by Nezgar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) early 410's had metal handle, this one does not... I'd be a little more excited if I saw the made in USA Sunnyvale etc... How about you enjoy it, after all it's an Atari... perhaps it was meant to bring happiness instead of some 'big score' Edited July 7, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsoft Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Nice pickup! I'd clean that stuff up and start playing some Star Raiders. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentshadow56 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 In regards to the one post above the 410 does have a metal handle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) These ole' Atari's are normally good to go with minimal intervention, the normal cleaning of card edges and re-seating etc. a good case clean up, some belts and it should all be good to go. You could enjoy it for another 30 or more years... Just remember to leave the stuff on for a day or two if it's up and running to make sure all the old caps reform and it will all stay stable delve into the disks etc... photos of those and or listings would be cool to see Edited July 7, 2018 by _The Doctor__ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 We in Europe can only dream about such a pick-up....man everything looks to be in excellent condition !!! I wish someone would still make those covers like the one on the 400 !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
256 colors Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Atari XC11 cassette drive you don't see these to often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I'd be really curious to take that 800 apart. The serial number looks to be fairly low, and of course it has all those cased RAM and OS modules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Neat haul! Who is the developer? Might make a good interview for ANTIC. Randy co-host ataripodcast.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentshadow56 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Thanks for all the responses! I will post all of the software items that I got later today on a separate thread with a similar heading and would love any info you guys could give me on that and certainly hope there is something interesting here or there if only for nostalgia. I also got a Apple IIa with similar hook ups and a crazy amount of software as well. I don't know if you guys dabble in that or if there is an entirely different site that you guys frequent that you wouldn't mind pointing me to? Don't misunderstand, I want to take pictures and share these items with you guys because I know it's not stuff you find every day and it can be exciting. I just don't know much about it so it's really your excitement over it that gets me excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s_Atari_Guy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Why does having a low serial number matter ? As long as the machines work, thats all that matters. Really irks me that, on ebay, I see ads saying "low serial number", followed by a massive inflated price. Congrats on the pick-up. That 410 looks lovely condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Why does having a low serial number matter ? Assuming that was addressed to me (since I mentioned it), matters as a matter of curiosity. I'd be curious if the machine has a CTIA, for example, or perhaps an MOS 6502 rather than a licensed fab's version (such as AMI, Synertek or Rockwell). Sometimes there are interesting markings on the PCBs in earlier production machines. For instance, my Heavy Sixer has a PCB with black silkscreening, which is pretty interesting, and something not seen on my Light Sixer from just a year or so later. So earlier models can be, as I said, interesting. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 it's always interesting to see the integrated bench rigs, hardware and software... and what glued the consumer 8 bits together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentshadow56 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 In regards to people asking me to "take apart" the 400 console...are you asking me to just take the casing off and check out the board and the numbers inside? That's not too complicated as near as I can tell so I wouldn't have an issue if someone is going to get something out of getting a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 To be honest, I'd hook them up make sure they work and do a run down of checking via peeks and diagnostic software etc.... I don't think there is a need to disassemble to find out whats what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Spaced Cowboy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Assuming that was addressed to me (since I mentioned it), matters as a matter of curiosity. I'd be curious if the machine has a CTIA, for example, or perhaps an MOS 6502 rather than a licensed fab's version (such as AMI, Synertek or Rockwell). Sometimes there are interesting markings on the PCBs in earlier production machines. For instance, my Heavy Sixer has a PCB with black silkscreening, which is pretty interesting, and something not seen on my Light Sixer from just a year or so later. So earlier models can be, as I said, interesting. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. I recently got this mainly because I always wanted an '800, partly because it looked in good condition, but also in part because a serial number that low might be something interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) I recently got this in part because I always wanted an '800, partly because it looked in good condition, but also in part because a serial number that low might be something interesting. I agree the second SIO port is interesting, but the serial number isn't actually that low. The "233" date code puts it either in Week 23 of 1983 (pretty late in production because the intended replacement model (1200XL) had already come out and been deemed a failure by then, or Week 33 of 1982, in which case the 1200XL design was being finalized and plans to start production late in the year taking shape. I know there's a general forum consensus on whether the code is WWY or YWW, I just can't remember which offhand. Yours was also made overseas, while the earliest models were made in Sunnyvale (like the one in the OP). But that said, Sunnyvale production of 400's and 800's continued for awhile. I've got two Sunnyvale 800's and one Sunnyvale 400 and all of them were mid/late run models ('82/'83). Also, the one in the OP is missing all the FCC stuff and most of the verbiage you see on later model labels, like one of mine here: Edited July 7, 2018 by DrVenkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Spaced Cowboy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I agree the second SIO port is interesting, but the serial number isn't actually that low. The "233" date code puts it either in Week 23 of 1983 (pretty late in production because the intended replacement model (1200XL) had already come out and been deemed a failure by then, or Week 33 of 1982, in which case the 1200XL design was being finalized and plans to start production late in the year taking shape. I know there's a general forum consensus on whether the code is WWY or YWW, I just can't remember which offhand. Yours was also made overseas, while the earliest models were made in Sunnyvale (like the one in the OP). But that said, Sunnyvale production of 400's and 800's continued for awhile. I've got two Sunnyvale 800's and one Sunnyvale 400 and all of them were mid/late run models ('82/'83). Fairy nuff. I was more interested in the SIO port and actually having one. It doesn't spoil my day that the serial is later on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Yep, moved to the rear clears up the desk space, some OS mods to make things comfy... heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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