+Nezgar Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 The interesting question is what should happen on a warm Select+Reset. Looking at the documentation again, it implies that it might just trigger a cold reset instead of bringing up the menu. The thing is, cold vs. warm reset isn't determined by the hardware on XL/XE machines, it's determined by the OS. I don't think interrupting a warm start is enough to force a cold start, so it'd have to either involve assistance from the menu OS or injecting instructions to clear the warmstart state from a hidden ROM. Correct, Select+Reset triggers a cold reset, but only with the APE Warp+ OS. Other selected OS's do not do this. So its not a function of the hardware, but the selected OS. The behaviour of the "OMNIMON TEST" OS is that it will boot to a blank screen if BASIC is disabled with OPTION pressed... So emulation the emulation is accurate. It will boot to BASIC if it is enabled. From there a 'BYE' does absolutely nothing - you can then enter more BASIC commands. Probably just jumps to an RTS. Select+Reset at this point will get you into "OMNIMON XL © 1984" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) The interesting question is what should happen on a warm Select+Reset. Looking at the documentation again, it implies that it might just trigger a cold reset instead of bringing up the menu. The thing is, cold vs. warm reset isn't determined by the hardware on XL/XE machines, it's determined by the OS. I don't think interrupting a warm start is enough to force a cold start, so it'd have to either involve assistance from the menu OS or injecting instructions to clear the warmstart state from a hidden ROM. Can not speak for real hardware (I have an Ultimate 1MB) but in Altirra there is no need to hold the Shift-F5 for a Cold reboot. Holding F3 and Pressing F5 will bring up the 32-in-1 menu. Edited April 9, 2019 by scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Yes the Select & Reset combo rely on an OS to spot the keys and then do as it wants but the clash here is that there's two OS variants that use the same ideal and the 32 in 1 menu always gets first choice unless the timing of your press is freaky and then on the are case it jumps in to Omnimon. The most obvious fix is not to use the 32 in 1 with Omnimon... I don't expect Avery to go around making 'hacks' to allow a clash of OS's as I imagine the same issue happens on real hardware...The whole point of Altirra is that it mimics real hardware, hacking it to fake allow this sort of stuff is just wrong. On a slighty OT note, I'd join Scotty in the request of a clean dump from an unmodified 32 in 1, as Nezgar says, it will probably have changed over time but it would be nice to have either a selection of un modded dumps or an original first series dump to play with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 On a slighty OT note, I'd join Scotty in the request of a clean dump from an unmodified 32 in 1, as Nezgar says, it will probably have changed over time but it would be nice to have either a selection of un modded dumps or an original first series dump to play with A clean 32 in 1 dump can be gotten by any registered AtariMax forum member. And I doubt that the selection has changed over time for a first time user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I feel slightly odd about asking for a rom dump on Steve's own forum Oh sod it, I'll try 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) I feel slightly odd about asking for a rom dump on Steve's own forum Oh sod it, I'll try LMK if you get one please. I am interested in giving this a test drive in Altirra to see if I want to purchase the real thing for a 600XL. EDIT - Now I'm wondering if there's even room for a 32-in-1 inside the 600XL case? ... Edited April 9, 2019 by SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Will do, and yeah I'm the same re the 32 in 1, its one thing I've always sort of promised myself, it gets priority simply because its the cheapest of any of my wants 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laoo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Hi. I've found a minor inconsistency in disassembly commands: Lenght parameter in u command is treated as a number of disassembly rows to produce and in .dumpdsm command it is treated as a number of bytes to disassembly. Example session: Altirra> u 8000 L10 8000: 20 6E 89 LOADER JSR INIT.SYSTEM 8003: 20 D1 89 JSR INIT.ONETIME 8006: A2 00 LDX #$00 8008: 20 E1 89 JSR INIT.LEVELMANAGER 800B: 20 E4 89 JSR INIT.SPRITES 800E: 20 DA 89 JSR INIT.RENDERER 8011: 20 FE 83 JSR STATIC 8014: 20 30 89 LOADER.ENABLEOS JSR INIT 8017: 20 8D 89 JSR INIT.PLAYFIELD 801A: 20 B1 89 JSR INIT.LEVEL 801D: 4C 1C A3 JMP GAME.LEVELLOOP 8020: 2C 0F D4 TEST BIT NMIST 8023: 10 03 BPL NMI.NO 8025: 4C F4 80 NMI.DLI JMP DLI.DISPATCH2 8028: 8D 0F D4 NMI.NO STA NMIRES 802B: 4C 92 80 NMI.VBL JMP VBL Altirra> .dumpdsm d:\out.asm 8000 L10 Disassembled 8000-800F to d:\out.asm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 That rom image is bad. This one is a known good image. ALSO..... To get to the 32-in-1 menu screen, you must hit the SELECT key as you reboot the system. Still no luck. In "Devices" not it's not showing any firmware selected at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 Hi. I've found a minor inconsistency in disassembly commands: Lenght parameter in u command is treated as a number of disassembly rows to produce and in .dumpdsm command it is treated as a number of bytes to disassembly. Example session: Altirra> u 8000 L10 8000: 20 6E 89 LOADER JSR INIT.SYSTEM 8003: 20 D1 89 JSR INIT.ONETIME 8006: A2 00 LDX #$00 8008: 20 E1 89 JSR INIT.LEVELMANAGER 800B: 20 E4 89 JSR INIT.SPRITES 800E: 20 DA 89 JSR INIT.RENDERER 8011: 20 FE 83 JSR STATIC 8014: 20 30 89 LOADER.ENABLEOS JSR INIT 8017: 20 8D 89 JSR INIT.PLAYFIELD 801A: 20 B1 89 JSR INIT.LEVEL 801D: 4C 1C A3 JMP GAME.LEVELLOOP 8020: 2C 0F D4 TEST BIT NMIST 8023: 10 03 BPL NMI.NO 8025: 4C F4 80 NMI.DLI JMP DLI.DISPATCH2 8028: 8D 0F D4 NMI.NO STA NMIRES 802B: 4C 92 80 NMI.VBL JMP VBL Altirra> .dumpdsm d:\out.asm 8000 L10 Disassembled 8000-800F to d:\out.asm You forgot the most important part -- which of the two behaviors are you looking for? Still no luck. In "Devices" not it's not showing any firmware selected at all. You will see the "missing firmware" indicator even when you do have firmware but it's detected bad. I need to change this to show a different message. Note that this is only a warning message, it will still try to run with the firmware image, and if by chance the detection is a false positive it'll still work. In the meantime, make sure you don't have the bad ROM image still selected in Firmware Manager. It also needs to be under the "APE Warp+ OS 32-in-1 Firmware" section. If there is more than one listed, you need to select the one to use with the Set as Default button, which will then mark it with an asterisk. Check the Settings for the one you're using -- if the CRC32 is 34E0A42F, it is the known bad dump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laoo Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) You forgot the most important part -- which of the two behaviors are you looking for? As for me, more consistent and intuitive behavior seems to be to specify number of bytes to disassembly. And also more useful - when I want do disassembly some chunk of code I don't necessary know how many lines of code it will be, but I most probably know how many bytes the code occupies. Edited April 10, 2019 by laoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Could Altirra be allowed to run full-screen on a dual-display setup without reverting to windowed mode every time it loses the focus (i.e. when one clicks something on the other display)? I guess there's perhaps some very good reason it does so, but I thought I'd ask anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 My setup is already doing that. Complete full screen all the time, no boarders or window buttons/controls. While I work on other monitor. Try making sure Tools>Options>Display>"BoarderlessMode" is checked. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 My setup is already doing that. Complete full screen all the time, no boarders or window buttons/controls. While I work on other monitor. Try making sure Tools>Options>Display>"BoarderlessMode" is checked. Astounding! Many thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Is this different than pressing Alt+Return? Please explain, Thanx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 Is this different than pressing Alt+Return? Please explain, Thanx. Alt+Enter toggles between windowed and full-screen mode. The display option selects whether full-screen uses exclusive full-screen mode or borderless mode. Exclusive full-screen mode is needed if you want to switch resolutions or refresh rate and is faster on pre-Windows 10. Borderless mode runs at desktop resolution and allows for other windows to overlay or to quickly switch to other programs without forcing the emulator out of full-screen mode. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I'm observing the 'SIDE Button' bit (D6) of $D384 being stuck on when running IDE Plus 2.0 alongside U1MB/SIDE2 with the U1MB SDX ROM disabled and the IDE+ SDX enabled. The PBI BIOS goes into an endless loop writing $80 to the external SIDE2 cartridge banking register and polling $D834 to see if the SIDE ROM has been taken off the bus. I wondered if this might be the case on real hardware, but apparently not: using the exact same U1MB firmware on a 600XL with U1MB, SIDE2 and IDE+ present, SDX running off the IDE+, and the U1MB/SIDE ATR Button enabled does not seem to result in the same hang polling the button bit. When I peek $D384 after the system has successfully booted, at reads $80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 A 130XE (with SIDE plugged into the IDE Plus's pass-thru cart port) behaves the same as the emulator, so I guess the above is a false flag. This makes sense, since the cart control lines aren't present on the 600XL's PBI bus. Please ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 Yes, Altirra emulates the IDE+2 being able to sense S5 and control RD5. If SDX is enabled on the IDE+2 and the SIDE2 is connected via its pass-through port, then attempting to bank out SIDE2 will not deassert RD5 because the IDE+2 will still be mapping SDX. Can't find the reference now, but I thought there was a mod to wire the necessary lines from the XL cartridge port to the IDE+2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Can't find the reference now, but I thought there was a mod to wire the necessary lines from the XL cartridge port to the IDE+2. Yes there is; a few people used old BASIC carts for this purpose. I don't use IDE Plus 2.0 often enough to justify this, and if I need full functionality, I just plug it into the ECI on an XE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I feel slightly odd about asking for a rom dump on Steve's own forum Oh sod it, I'll try Hey Paul, any luck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Nope....Not even a nibble..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JAC! Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 @Avery: I friend of mine is working on a RAMDISK drive using The!Cart built-in 512KB RAM. It looks like the emulation has some problems with the 16k bank mode $21 (one of the banks seems to overlay the other, depending on which one was active last). He's on vacation now, I'll provide an example/test problem when he's back. But maybe you can spot the issue already based on this hint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 http://www.virtualdub.org/beta/Altirra-3.20-test23.zip http://www.virtualdub.org/beta/Altirra-3.20-test23-src.zip WarpOS now issues a different warning for missing vs. bad firmware. Added firmware manager button on devices pane. Firmware issues are now listed on the overview pane. The filter bandwidth for direct tape reads (SKSTAT) has been lowered to match earlier versions and is now tunable. @Avery: I friend of mine is working on a RAMDISK drive using The!Cart built-in 512KB RAM. It looks like the emulation has some problems with the 16k bank mode $21 (one of the banks seems to overlay the other, depending on which one was active last). He's on vacation now, I'll provide an example/test problem when he's back. But maybe you can spot the issue already based on this hint. I did a basic check and couldn't identify anything amiss. One thing that comes to mind is that the LSB is ignored in this mode, so even and odd bank numbers will alias. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 http://www.virtualdub.org/beta/Altirra-3.20-test23.zip http://www.virtualdub.org/beta/Altirra-3.20-test23-src.zip WarpOS now issues a different warning for missing vs. bad firmware. Added firmware manager button on devices pane. Firmware issues are now listed on the overview pane. The filter bandwidth for direct tape reads (SKSTAT) has been lowered to match earlier versions and is now tunable. I did a basic check and couldn't identify anything amiss. One thing that comes to mind is that the LSB is ignored in this mode, so even and odd bank numbers will alias. @Avery: Any chance of an ARM32 version of this for Android? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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