+stupus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Yeah those last 10 or so are really hard. And the last half of those are nearly impossible. Magicard Video life Mangia Elis ladder Gauntlet Extra terrestrials Red sea crossing Gamma attack Birthday mania Cat trax? Those are definitely the show stoppers....It's still fun to get close though. I still don't think any 1 person has every one of them either? That makes 2600 a pretty special beast. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Thats exactly my sentiment. That it is indeed a very special set. And to this day, Im fairly certain that there isnt one among us yet that has it. Those final big four, the four horsemen, are widow makers! Im pretty sure that guys like Jeff, Weis, Wonder, & Whiz (between them) have the four horsemen, but certainly not any one of them; not yet anyhow! But as more copies of them turn up, it is inevitable that it will happen. One of them is sure to be the first! And that will be a landmark day. I will be very happy for them. Thats what I love about this community. Its far more positive then some others Im in. Theres more of a brotherhood here. Anyhow, happy hunting! May Bira Bira bless your finds! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) I had some sitting time to try and sort out my list and combine it with yours Billy. Added 3 titles and changed a couple names and added some info and what games also have a south American ntsc bootleg. Also who original publishers probably were. With many of these....maybe half at least there are also multiple pal titles that are the same as these....many by quelle for example. So looks like 43 pal exclusive titles. 14 of which do have a south American bootleg version. Feel free to use any info if you want to merge it as an add on to your list Billy Happy to hear any possible corrections too please!!! 01. Fatal Run by Atari 02. Klax by Atari 03. Ghost Busters 2 by Salu 04. My Golf by Hes or by Salu 05. Acid Drop by Salu 06. Pick & Pile by Salu 07. Wing War by Imagic 08. Bobby is Going Home by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 09. Mission 3000 A.D. by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 10. Snail Against Squirrel by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 11. Mr. Postman by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 12. Forest by Sancho 13. X'Mission by Home Vision or UFO Patrol/Raumpatrouille by Quelle 14. Frisco by Quelle or Home Vision 15. IQ 180 by Home Vision 16. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 17. Panda Chase by Home Vision 18. Parachute by Home Vision 19. Racing Car by Home Vision 20. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 21. Topy by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 22. Treasure Discovery by Home Vision 23. Astrowar by Dimax / Sinmax 24. Go Home Monster by Dimax/Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 25. World End by Dimax / Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 26. Dragon Defender by Sun Tek (Homevision) 27. Farmyard Fun by Sun Tek (Home Vision) 28. Moto Cross by Sun Tek (Home Vision) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 29. Ski Run by Sun Tek (Home Vision?) 30. Walker by Sun Tek (Home Vision) 31. Zoo Fun by Sun Tek (ITT Family Games) 32. Nuts by Techno Vision 33. Pharaohs Curse by Techno Vision 34. Save Our Ship by Techno Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 35. Missile Control by Video Gems 36. Mission Survive by Video Gems 37. Steeplechase by Video Gems 38. Surfer's Paradise by Video Gems 39. Treasure Below by Video Gems 40. Criminal Persuit by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg and was sold by Pleasant Valley Video in Ohio as Immies and Aggies) 41. Firebug by Sunkek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 42. Spectrecube Invasion by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 43. Seal to Whales by Datatech Edited January 24, 2019 by stupus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 *fixed a couple things above....1 like my ability to count correct lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If the Australian one came out of Bentleigh East or Oakleigh area, it is fake. This the same person who fakes Commodore stuff regularly, and has tried (poorly) to fake Air Raid before...I just wanted to comment here; been rereading through this thread. If it was the lady who appeared in the forum with the baby blue spraypainted PVC pipe, well that was a fun read and brought back memories. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If it was the lady who appeared in the forum with the baby blue spraypainted PVC pipe, well that was a fun read and brought back memories. LOL, that was fun. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If it was the lady who appeared in the forum with the baby blue spraypainted PVC pipe, well that was a fun read and brought back memories. Oooh you just made my Shatner muscle twitch lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 DP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Finally, the absolute BEST example that I can give for what (in essence) these units do to an Atari 2600, is the Sega 32X system. The 32X is a glorified cartridge. Aiken to the NES Aladdin Deck Enhancer. However, unlike the Aladdin which is fully independent & functional, and which also had ONE unique / exclusive game in its library, the 32X & its 31 USA game releases DO NOT COUNT as members of the Sega Genesis official library. A complete Genesis set is 707. The 32X unit is NOT cartridge number 708, nor does having it attached to your console increase the GENESIS library to 738. It CONVERTS your system from a Genesis to a Neptune, whereby granting it the ability to play 31 additional Neptune cartridges. Virtua Racing counts as one of the 707 because it has the 32X technology built into it, and as such, is a fully functional independent cartridge. You must first modify your stock Genesis console by plugging a 32X accessory into its cartridge port before it becomes capable of playing Mars games. Neither is a Sega CD game also a Genesis game, even though the CD unit requires a Genesis to run. I attempted to apply this logic to the yahoos at pcenginefx, by arguing that PCe CDROMs are not technically Turbografx/PCe "games" (which run Hucards in their base configuration), and the base configuration of the PCe, Coregrafx, or Turbografx does not support playing them. They countered that the base console without the CD attachment was an incomplete system (even at launch, because support for CD-ROM drives was planned into the device), and it was my own fault for depriving myself access to over half the library by cheaping out and not getting a "complete" system (defined as either a Duo or a core model with drive attachment). Those clunkers are not only stupidly expensive but suffer from rotten gears, dried caps, dead lasers, and a metric ton of other reliability issues. Let's just say the thread did not end well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I had some sitting time to try and sort out my list and combine it with yours Billy. Added 3 titles and changed a couple names and added some info and what games also have a south American ntsc bootleg. Also who original publishers probably were. With many of these....maybe half at least there are also multiple pal titles that are the same as these....many by quelle for example. So looks like 43 pal exclusive titles. 14 of which do have a south American bootleg version. Feel free to use any info if you want to merge it as an add on to your list Billy Happy to hear any possible corrections too please!!! 01. Fatal Run by Atari 02. Klax by Atari 03. Ghost Busters 2 by Salu 04. My Golf by Hes or by Salu 05. Acid Drop by Salu 06. Pick & Pile by Salu 07. Wing War by Imagic 08. Bobby is Going Home by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 09. Mission 3000 A.D. by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 10. Snail Against Squirrel by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 11. Mr. Postman by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 12. Forest by Sancho 13. X'Mission by Home Vision or UFO Patrol/Raumpatrouille by Quelle 14. Frisco by Quelle or Home Vision 15. IQ 180 by Home Vision 16. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 17. Panda Chase by Home Vision 18. Parachute by Home Vision 19. Racing Car by Home Vision 20. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 21. Topy by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 22. Treasure Discovery by Home Vision 23. Astrowar by Dimax / Sinmax 24. Go Home Monster by Dimax/Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 25. World End by Dimax / Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 26. Dragon Defender by Sun Tek (Homevision) 27. Farmyard Fun by Sun Tek (Home Vision) 28. Moto Cross by Sun Tek (Home Vision) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 29. Ski Run by Sun Tek (Home Vision?) 30. Walker by Sun Tek (Home Vision) 31. Zoo Fun by Sun Tek (ITT Family Games) 32. Nuts by Techno Vision 33. Pharaohs Curse by Techno Vision 34. Save Our Ship by Techno Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 35. Missile Control by Video Gems 36. Mission Survive by Video Gems 37. Steeplechase by Video Gems 38. Surfer's Paradise by Video Gems 39. Treasure Below by Video Gems 40. Criminal Persuit by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg and was sold by Pleasant Valley Video in Ohio as Immies and Aggies) 41. Firebug by Sunkek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 42. Spectrecube Invasion by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 43. Seal to Whales by Datatech Corrections: 01. Fatal Run by Atari 02. Klax by Atari 03. Ghostbusters II by Salu 04. My Golf by Hes 05. Acid Drop by Salu 06. Pick & Pile by Salu 07. Wing War by Imagic 08. Bobby is Going Home by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) was also released in NTSC by Bit Corporation 09. Mission 3,000 A.D. by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) was also released in NTSC by Bit Corporation 10. Snail Against Squirrel by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 11. Mr. Postman by Bit Corp (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 12. Forest by Sancho 13. X'Mission by Home Vision 14. Frisco by Home Vision 15. IQ 180 by Home Vision not found yet 16. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 17. Panda Chase by Home Vision 18. Parachute by Home Vision 19. Racing Car by Home Vision 20. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 21. Topy by Home Vision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 22. Treasure Discovery by Home Vision 23. Astrowar by Dimax / Sinmax 24. Go Go Home by Dimax/Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 25. The End of the World by Dimax / Sinmax (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 26. Dragon Defender by Suntek (Homevision) 27. Farmyard Fun by Suntek (Home Vision) 28. Motocross by Suntek (Home Vision) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 29. Ski Run by Suntek (Home Vision?) 30. Walker by Suntek (Home Vision) 31. Zoo Fun by Suntek (ITT Family Games) 32. Nuts by Techno Vision 33. Pharaoh's Curse by TechnoVision 34. Save Our Ship by TechnoVision (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 35. Missile Control by Video Gems 36. Mission Survive by Video Gems 37. Steeplechase by Video Gems 38. Surfer's Paradise But Danger Below! by Video Gems 39. Treasure Below by Video Gems 40. Criminal Persuit by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg and was sold by Pleasant Valley Video in Ohio as Immies and Aggies) 41. Firebug by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 42. Spectracube Invasion by Suntek (Zimag) (*has ntsc south American bootleg) 43. Seal to Whales by Datatech 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Thanks Rom! So I know of the 2 ntsc bit corp carts. We're these truly released and released in the USA? And yes after I posted this it occurred to me i should have put IQ memory teaser by suntek and put the publisher as home vision. I guess the only pic of iq 180 is a catalog pic? I also been meaning to ask you rom.... Is there only 1 release of tomarc/motocross double ender? I have only ever seen it in bilingual Canadian box....But your site lists it as a USA release? Was it truly released in the USA? Did they release it only in that bilingual box for USA and Canada? Obviously with that box and the included manuals it was at the very least made for sale in Canada? Thanks as always for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx2k Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Curious about the monogrammed Space Chase. Has a second copy been found? John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Found this great post about pleasant valley video by bf stats. Man you post the best stuff!! http://atariage.com/forums/topic/128882-pleasant-valley-video-catalog-1991/ Catalog is from 1991, that gets very close to the original system life span I still don't think I would count stuff like off your rocker though even if was avaible pre 91. Then you would have to count all the prototype copies they sold....nope. I feel pretty sure now my gauntlet and Malagai with real chips and imagic shells and pcbs are from them. Also some alternate looking copies I have of sword of saros and survival island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 May I share two thoughts? 1) Since Canada and USA have a *very* porous border and share a lot of characteristics (including NTSC Color system); and since there are so few Canadian only games (five of them?), would you by any chance consider a north america NTSC master list, very close to what RandomTerrain made? It would probably be easier to accept by the general public and became a de facto list. You might even add a * primarily released only in Canada for clarification. Ill add the 2nd one below right now. :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 2) there is a lot of confusion regarding Bit Corp games released by CCE in Brazil. The first 9 games released by CCE using what we call Color labels were LEGALLY LICENSED by CCE from Bit Corp. - and, most important, they do NOT use EPROM but indeed MASK ROM manufacfured by Bit Corp in Taiwan. And as you all probably know Brazilian PAL-M is NOT a PAL system at all. It is a modified NTSC with a different Color Carrier. Most important, brazilian Atari games have NTSC binaries in them - a brazilian cart works on USA atari and vice-versa. So, to sum it all, the original 9 CCE games are NOT BOOTLEGGED, but TRUE NTSC RELEASES OF BIT CORP GAMES, REBRANDED. Of course they dont belong on a North America / USA master list. But they should belong on any officially released NTSC list. Im not sure about later CCE releases like Pizza Chef or Immies. We might have to crack one open to check if thats EPROM or MASK ROM based. Edited January 25, 2019 by lazzeri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Heres the original 9 CCE games, BTW: http://www.lazzeri.online/vg/Atari_2600_BR/IMG_3401.JPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (And Dancing Plate is one of the rarest Brazilian carts, there are definitely less than 10 surviving units. A complete set like the one pictured is a rare feat, probably about 5 of them around? I know four, including the one on eBay for a fortune) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Heres the original 9 CCE games, BTW: http://www.lazzeri.online/vg/Atari_2600_BR/IMG_3401.JPG Ok, yes, thank you for this information. I researched those 9 games, and four of them were released in the USA and are on the list. So in regards to clarifying the list and documenting the "non USA released but NTSC format" we could do something like this: ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER ONE: 10 ------------------------ -- NTSC compatible games (will work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released otside the United States (not intended for the USA) 406. Challenge by Zellers in Canada 407. Time Warp by Zellers in Canada (*) Placeholder (Inca Gold by Zellers in Canada) PENDING INVESTIGATION (it may gain status on the main list as Spider Maze by K-TEL) 408. Mr. Postman by CCE in Brazil 409. Bobby is Going Home by CCE & Bit Corp in Brazil 410. Sea Monster by CCE in Brazil 411. Mission 3000 A.D. by CCE & Bit Corp in Brazil 412. Squirrel by CCE in Brazil (*) Dancing Plate by CCE in Brazil (REPEAT) Dishaster (*) Open Sesame by CCE in Brazil (REPEAT) I want my Mommy (*) Space Tunnel by CCE in Brazil (REPEAT) Cosmic Corridor (*) Phantom Tank by CCE in Brazil (REPEAT) Tanks but no Tanks 413. Criminal Pursuit by Sun Tek / Immies & Aggies by Vidco/Zimag 414. Pizza Chef by Vidco/Zimag 415. A Mysterious Thief by Vidco/Zimag ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER TWO: 38 ------------------------ -- PAL compatible games (will NOT work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released outside the United States (not intended for the USA) -- have been found in NTSC format or can be converted to NTSC format 416. Fatal Run by Atari 417. Klax by Atari 418. Ghostbusters II by Salu 419. My Golf by Hes 420. Acid Drop by Salu 421. Pick & Pile by Salu 422. Wing War by Imagic 423. Forest by Sancho 424. X'Mission by Home Vision 425. Frisco by Home Vision 426. IQ Memory Teaser by Sun Tek (Home Vision) 427. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 428. Panda Chase by Home Vision 429. Parachute by Home Vision 430. Racing Car by Home Vision 431. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 432. Topy by Home Vision (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 433. Treasure Discovery by Home Vision 434. Astrowar by Dimax / Sinmax 435. Go Go Home by Dimax/Sinmax (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 436. The End of the World by Dimax / Sinmax (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 437. Dragon Defender by Suntek (Home Vision) 438. Farmyard Fun by Suntek (Home Vision) 439. Motocross by Suntek (Home Vision) (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 440. Ski Run by Suntek (Home Vision) 441. Walker by Suntek (Home Vision) 442. Zoo Fun by Suntek (ITT Family Games) 443. Nuts by Techno Vision 444. Pharaoh's Curse by Techno Vision 445. Save Our Ship by Techno Vision (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 446. Missile Control by Video Gems 447. Mission Survive by Video Gems 448. Steeplechase by Video Gems 449. Surfer's Paradise But Danger Below! by Video Gems 450. Treasure Below by Video Gems 451. Firebug by Suntek (Zimag) (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 452. Spectracube Invasion by Suntek (Zimag) (*ntsc south American bootleg found) 453. Seal to Whales by Datatech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krslam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Neither is a Sega CD game also a Genesis game, even though the CD unit requires a Genesis to run. I attempted to apply this logic to the yahoos at pcenginefx, by arguing that PCe CDROMs are not technically Turbografx/PCe "games" (which run Hucards in their base configuration), and the base configuration of the PCe, Coregrafx, or Turbografx does not support playing them. They countered that the base console without the CD attachment was an incomplete system (even at launch, because support for CD-ROM drives was planned into the device), and it was my own fault for depriving myself access to over half the library by cheaping out and not getting a "complete" system (defined as either a Duo or a core model with drive attachment). Those clunkers are not only stupidly expensive but suffer from rotten gears, dried caps, dead lasers, and a metric ton of other reliability issues. Let's just say the thread did not end well... By your logic, only Atari 800 games released on cartridge count, as those are the only ones playable on the base configuration. Tape & disk games don't count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Now what about spider maze as a way for Inca gold to be back in since it's from k tel and it's ntsc? Getting back to this now... Lets start with the company Ultra Vision. They made Karate & they made Condor Attack. Then we have K-Tel. They made Vulture Attack & Spider Maze. Then we have Zellers. They made Inca Gold (and many more games) Now for the sake of clarity, lets number these 3 games: 1) Karate Game 2) Attack Game 3) Spider Game 1) Karate Game Karate counts as part of a complete set because it was a USA/NTSC game. A collector may have the Ultra Vision cart or the Froggo cart, either one is fine, (same scenario as say an Imagic Atlantis vs. Activision Atlantis) but hes got to have at least one of them. 2) Attack Game Condor Attack counts as part of a complete set because it was a USA/NTSC game. If you have a Vulture Attack instead, then yes, you have the same game (per say), and its ntsc so it works (per say), but what you have is in actuality a Canadian game. 3) Spider Game In this scenario, BOTH of the two available NTSC versions of this game (Spider Maze & Inca Gold) are Canadian. So I have to ask, how does either one qualify as USA/NTSC? I know Xonox games (related to K-tel) were available at US stores as I myself purchased a Spikes Peak/Ghost Manor at a store on the way to the movies to see War Games in 1983. (one of my fond childhood memories!) But were K-Tels games, specifically Spider Maze, ever confirmed to be available to purchase during the systems natural lifespan at US stores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 By your logic, only Atari 800 games released on cartridge count, as those are the only ones playable on the base configuration. Tape & disk games don't count? I dont count them. I only count carts. 244 is my number. But then, again, its all in the wording. I make cartridge lists, not game lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 By your logic, only Atari 800 games released on cartridge count, as those are the only ones playable on the base configuration. Tape & disk games don't count? Apples to oranges man. If we are going to include add-on peripherals, then it becomes a different system. Lots of gray area with computers because unlike consoles they come in multiple configurations. Also some Atari 400/800 carts do have compatibility issues with the XL/XE models. Add to this some intrepid hackers have converted 800 disk games to run on XL/XE compatible cart hardware, What you suggest ie 800 vs XL/XE is more like comparing DS to DSi, or 3DS to N3DS, or GB to GBC. You have upgraded base configurations that maintain backwards compatibility for the most part. Diskette to cartridge or card to CDROM is an entirely different medium with an intrinsically incompatible interface. However it can also be argued that computers were specifically designed with upgradeability in mind unlike consoles. The expansion port on the Sega Genesis saw usage but the NES and SNES did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 So on spider maze, that was my question would k tel have sold it in the USA since they made the xonox games and they were sold here. I bought a sir Lancelot for my colecovision at our local zayre in probably 1985. If we can't show it was sold in the USA then it would be part of a full north American ntsc set anyway. Maybe hard to prove this ever. I did do some hunting and apparently zellers never put any stores in the USA, so unless they sold their products thru any other vendors the 3 zellers titles would not be in the USA set. More work would be needed to figure out the k tel title. At this point I would lean toward not counting it until other info comes forward. After thinking about it more too...I have a very hard time thinking extra terrestrials should be on the USA list. I don't really think it should even be on a north American list. It wasn't ever available for order right? If it was only door to door in 1 neighborhood that's not a release in my opinion....it definitely is a 1 of a kind situation though. Also with your new add on list....I would move sea monster up to the Canadian section. Since it would be part of a full north American ntsc set and not just a full ntsc set Also now I wonder if we should add all the ntsc Brazilian games to the sub-list as well? Since many of them are bootlegs I don't know but they are also the only ntsc releases period for those titles. Maybe just note them under the pal list.....i dont know which is better? I have more to add on corrections but I have no more time right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Maybe hard to prove this ever. I did do some hunting and apparently zellers never put any stores in the USA, so unless they sold their products thru any other vendors the 3 zellers titles would not be in the USA set. There may be some confusion here. Zellers was just a retailer; they never manufactured anything. I still have a Zellers store-brand sweater in my closet, for example. Zellers was one part of the Hudson Bay group -- current stores include The Bay and Home Outfitters. As far as I am aware, they have never had a presence outside of Canada. The original source (the developer and/or manufacturer) where Zellers obtained these games is unknown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Right, but they say zellers on the boxes, so it's a stretch to think other stores sold them with the zellers branding? But who knows..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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