stupus #251 Posted October 26, 2019 Looks like stone age should also be moved to the 1st expansion as its ntsc. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergun #252 Posted October 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Rom Hunter said: Thanks for the list! I'm trying to understand all the * remarks. A bit confusing IMO. Some questions and corrections: - Why are not all the *'s explained? - Why is not everything in alphabetical order? - Why is Asterix marked? It was available in NTSC - Hot Rox is a WIP title of Demons to Diamonds - Raiders of the Lost Ark is misspelled - Star Raiders 2 is a WIP title - BMX Airmaster (REPEAT) - (original by TNT) - Polo is not explained - Atlantis (REPEAT) - (original by Imagic) - Demon Attack (REPEAT) - (original by Imagic) - Lock Jaw is misspelled - Spider Maze is not a ROM hack of Donkey Kong I'll have a look at the expansions later. Keep up the good work! Here is my take on these items: - Why are not all the *'s explained? On my list they are, but doing so is usually done with foot notes, side notes, or at the end. The reason (initially & still today) was/is because lists should always be as short as possible, whereas to fit on only one sheet of paper and thus be easy to see in their entirety at a glance. It also helps with today's generation of "short attention span" people who won't look through pages and pages of information. - Why is not everything in alphabetical order? This is purely subjective. And your welcome to change it. But very few of my lists are. The vast majority of my game lists were/are easier to classify and organize by either product numbers or companies. - Spider Maze is not a ROM hack of Donkey Kong Yes. I mistakenly thought it was for many years. And I never gave any attention to it either way because it is almost unplayable. 1 hour ago, lazzeri said: Some questions: - Which one came first? Sea Hawk by Panda or by Froggo? Exocet (Panda) or Cruise Missile (Froggo)? Scuba Diver (Panda) or Sea Hunt (Froggo)? Karate by Ultravision or Froggo? I got the feeling that the Panda games and Ultravivision deserves to be called the original ones and Froggo are the copies, and that must be changed in the master list. - What about Playaround? Since all their games are double-enders, shouldn´t they be listed like this? Don´t the hacks (Cathouse, lady in wading) should be added? I mean, shouldn´t the five different Double Enders enter the list? I´ll wait for approval before doing so 🙂 - specially I´d love to hear from @Supergun Regarding Playaround: A person needed to purchase the double cartridge in order to get the one game. Whether or not the cartridge happened to have a second game on it (hack or repeat) was/is completely inconsequential. Playaround only gets 3 positions on the list. No different then the Xonox games, although they had single carts as well as variations on the double carts. But regardless, no matter how many singles or combos you have, they won't "count" for more then 8 times towards the 404. Regarding Sancho, Panda, and Froggo: This could be subjective as well. While, technically, Froggo came later; way later! I still respect them more. They were the most professional "real and normal english ntsc/usa cartridge manufacturer" among the 3 companies. Sancho wasn't NTSC and Panda had some quality issues man. Carts with no main labels? What the hell was up with that crap man!? Even Mythicon was better with cartridge label quality then Panda was. But again, this is just my opinion. You can change it if you like. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergun #253 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Here's my quick list and long list. (I will try to post the actual original document files here) 2600list.txt 2600_404.docx Here's the best I can do at posting a text version that can be seen and read in the thread. ------------The Complete Atari 2600 NTSC / USA Cartridge Collection List------------ This comprehensive list breaks down the complete collection of USA / NTSC Atari 2600 video game cartridges from 001 to 404. It also explains WHY the actual total is 404. Games marked with an (*) are surrounded by controversy & as such are given detailed descriptions & explanations with REASONS for their additon or disqualification. Games marked with an ($) are scarce and are considered to be the highlights of a set. With careful consideration, serious stipulation, and relentless research, we find that a complete Atari 2600 NTSC / USA cartridge collection consists of 404 games. In order to qualify, a game must meet or exceed the following requirements: 1) 100% plug & play compatible with an unmodified original NTSC / USA Atari 2600. AND 2) Available for purchase at a retail store in the United States from 1977-1990. OR 3) Available through a mail order offer; advertized in a magazine or television ad. The Short List Breakdown -- Total 404 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 119- Atari 03 - Sears 16 - Imagic 10 - Apollo 44 - Activision 09 - Sega 13 - Coleco 17 - Mattel 17 - Fox 21 - Parker Brothers 08 - Data Age 08 - Xonox 06 - Telesys 07 - CBS 11 - Spectravision 07 - Commavid 14 - US Games 03 - Konami 03 - Epyx 10 - Tigervision 04 - Absolute 04 - Bomb 04 - Froggo 04 - Zimag 05 - Avalon Hill 03 - Mythicon 02 - Panda 01 - K-Tel 03 - Mystique 03 - Playaround 02 - Telegames 02 - Wizard 02 - Answer 02 - Exus 02 - Milton Bradley 01 - Sunrise 01 - Amiga 01 - AVG 01 - TNT 01 - Selchow & Righter 01 - First Star 01 - DSD 01 - Sparrow 01 - Gamex 01 - Venturevision 01 - Simage 01 - MenaVision 01 - Gammation 01 - Red Sea 01 - Birthday Mania ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Every cartridge presented for admission to this list is subjected to these questions: (1) Was the cartridge NTSC compatible? Meaning, did it function properly when inserted into a factory stock USA 2600 console connected to a 70s/80s era USA television set? (2) Was the game a repeat or a copy or a clone or a rom hack of an already existing and released game that was already on the list? (3) Was there another one available? Meaning, at the time, had another person been right next to you, or had they called the same phone number right after you, could they have also purchased it at that time? (4) Did you need to have a passport to get it? In other words, did you leave the country and buy it elsewhere and/or did you have it brought in from outside the USA? (5) Was the cartridge available during the natural lifespan of the system? ------------------The Detailed Disqualification Explanation Section----------------- 1) Any rebranded, repackaged, or renamed game that retained it's original rom data. 2) Any promotional game limited to a private event & not available for public purchase. 3) Any game released outside the USA in the PAL or SECAM television format. 4) Any game that went unreleased, regardless if a proto or a sample has been found. The Long List Breakdown -------------- -- Atari - 119 -------------- 001. Adventure 002. Air Sea Battle / Target Fun 003. Alpha Beam with Ernie 004. Asterix (*)($) 005. Asteroids 006. Atari Video Cube / Rubik's Cube (*)($) 007. Basic Programming 008. Basketball 009. Backgammon 010. Basic Math / Fun with Numbers 011. Battlezone 012. Big Bird's Egg Catch 013. Black Jack 014. Canyon Bomber 015. Brain Games 016. Berzerk 017. Bowling 018. Breakout / Breakaway IV 019. Circus Atari / Circus 020. Centipede 021. Casino 022. Championship Soccer / Pele's Soccer 023. Cookie Monster Munch 024. Crossbow 025. Codebreaker 026. Combat / Tank Plus 027. Dark Chambers 028. Defender 029. Crazy Climber ($) 030. Crystal Castles 031. Dig Dug 032. Double Dunk 033. Desert Falcon 034. Demons to Diamonds / Hot Rox 035. Flag Capture / Capture 036. Football 037. E.T. 038. Dodge 'Em / Dodger Cars 039. Golf 040. Gravitar 041. Galaxian 042. Concentration / Hunt & Score 043. Haunted House / Nightmare Manor 044. Joust 045. Gremlins 046. Hangman / Spelling 047. Human Cannonball / Cannon Man 048. Jr. Pac-Man 049. Kangaroo 050. Home Run / Baseball 051. Ikari Warriors 052. Jungle Hunt 053. Krull 054. Indy 500 / Race 055. Math Gran Prix 056. Millipede 057. Mario Bros. 058. Maze Craze / Maze Mania 059. Missile Command 060. Moon Patrol 061. Midnight Magic 062. Miniature Golf / Arcade Golf 063. Night Driver 064. Obelix ($) 065. Motorodeo 066. Ms. Pac-Man 067. Outlaw / Gunslinger 068. Othello / Reversi 069. Off the Wall 070. Oscar's Trash Race 071. Pigs in Space 072. Phoenix 073. Pac-Man 074. Pengo 075. Radar Lock 076. Quadrun ($) 077. Pole Position 078. Raiders of the Lost Arc 079. Real Sports Baseball 080. Real Sports Boxing 081. Real Sports Football 082. Real Sports Soccer 083. Real Sports Tennis 084. Real Sports Volleyball 085. Road Runner 086. Sentinel 087. Slot Machine / Slots 088. Solaris / Star Raiders 2 089. Secret Quest 090. Sky Diver / Dare Diver 091. Slot Racers / Maze 092. Space War / Space Combat 093. Star Raiders 094. Snoopy & the Red Baron 095. Space Invaders 096. Sprintmaster 097. Street Racer 098. Sorcerer's Apprentice 099. Stargate / Defender 2 (*) 100. Surround / Chase 101. Superman 102. Star Ship / Space Mission 103. Super Breakout 104. Taz 105. Super Baseball (*) 106. Super Football 107. Swordquest Earth World 108. Swordquest Fire World 109. Swordquest Water World ($) 110. 3-D Tic Tac Toe 111. Track & Field 112. Vanguard 113. Video Checkers / Checkers 114. Video Chess / Chess 115. Video Olympics / Pong Sports 116. Video Pinball / Arcade Pinball 117. Warlords 118. Xenophobe 119. Yar's Revenge (*) BMX Airmaster - (counts ONCE!) - (Atari or TNT) (*) Qbert - (REPEAT) - (original by Parker Brothers) (*) Donkey Kong - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Donkey Kong Jr. - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Mouse Trap - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Venture - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Polo is DISQUALIFIED - (explained below) (*) Pepsi Invaders / Coke Wins is DISQUALIFIED ------------------- -- Activision -- 44 ------------------- 120. Barnstorming 121. Beamrider 122. Boxing 123. Bridge 124. Checkers 125. Chopper Command 126. Commando 127. Cosmic Commuter ($) 128. Crackpots 129. Decathlon 130. Dolphin 131. Double Dragon 132. Dragster 133. Enduro 134. Fishing Derby 135. Freeway 136. Frostbite 137. Ghostbusters 138. Grand Prix 139. H.E.R.O. 140. Ice Hockey 141. Kaboom! 142. Keystone Kapers 143. Kung Fu Master 144. Laser Blast 145. Megamania 146. Oink! 147. Pitfall! 148. Pitfall II 149. Plaque Attack 150. Pressure Cooker 151. Private Eye 152. Rampage 153. River Raid 154. River Raid II 155. Robot Tank 156. Seaquest 157. Skiing 158. Sky Jink 159. Space Shuttle 160. Spider Fighter 161. Stampede 162. Starmaster 163. Tennis (*) Atlantis (REPEAT) (*) Demon Attack (REPEAT) (*) Moonsweeper (REPEAT) --------------- -- IMAGIC -- 16 --------------- 164. Atlantis 165. Cosmic Ark 166. Demon Attack 167. Dragonfire 168. Fathom 169. Fire Fighter 170. Laser Gates 171. Moonsweeper 172. No Escape! 173. Quick Step! 174. Riddle of the Sphinx 175. Shootin' Gallery 176. Solar Storm 177. Star Voyager 178. Subterranea 179. Trick Shot (*) Atlantis 2 is DISQUALIFIED (*) Cubicolor is DISQUALIFIED --------------------------- -- Parker Brothers -- 21 --------------------------- 180. Amidar 181. Frogger 182. Frogger II 183. G.I. Joe / Action Force 184. Gyruss 185. James Bond 007 186. Montezuma's Revenge 187. Mr. Do’s Castle ($) 188. Popeye 189. Q*Bert 190. Q*Bert’s Qubes ($) 191. Reactor 192. Sky Skipper 193. Spider-Man 194. Star Wars - Jedi Arena 195. Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back 196. Star Wars - Return of the Jedi 197. Star Wars - The Arcade Game 198. Strawberry Shortcake 199. Super Cobra 200. Tutankham --------------- -- COLECO -- 13 --------------- 201. Carnival 202. Donkey Kong 203. Mouse Trap 204. Smurf Rescue 205. Venture 206. Zaxxon 207. Donkey Kong Jr. 208. Time Pilot 209. Mr. Do! 210. Roc 'n Rope 211. Front Line 212. Smurf's Save the Day ($) 213. Berenstain Bears ($) -------------------- -- TIGERVISION -- 10 -------------------- 214. King Kong 215. Jawbreaker 216. Threshold 217. Miner 2049er 218. Polaris 219. Marauder ($) 220. Springer ($) 221. Espial ($) 222. Miner 2049er II 223. River Patrol ($) --------------------- -- SPECTRAVISION - 11 --------------------- 224. Planet Patrol 225. Gangster Alley 226. Cross Force 227. China Syndrome 228. Tapeworm 229. Nexar 230. Bumper Bash ($) 231. Master Builder ($) 232. Gas Hog ($) 233. Chase the Chuckwagon ($) 234. Mangia' ($) ---------------------- -- MATTEL NETWORK - 17 ---------------------- 235. Adventures of Tron / GX-12 236. Air Raiders / Bogey Blaster 237. Armor Ambush 238. Astroblast 239. Bump 'n Jump 240. Burgertime 241. Dark Cavern 242. Frogs & Flies 243. International Soccer 244. Kool Aid Man 245. Lock 'n Chase 246. He-Man 247. Space Attack 248. Star Strike 249. Super Challenge Baseball 250. Super Challenge Football 251. Tron: Deadly Discs ------------------------ -- 20TH CENTURY FOX - 17 ------------------------ 252. Alien 253. Bank Heist 254. Beany Bopper 255. Crash Dive 256. Crypts of Chaos 257. Deadly Duck 258. Earth Dies Screaming ($) 259. Fantastic Voyage 260. Fast Eddie 261. Flash Gordan 262. M*A*S*H* 263. Mega Force 264. Porky's 265. Revenge of the Beefsteak Tomatoes 266. Spacemaster X-7 ($) 267. Turmoil 268. Worm War I ------------ -- SEGA - 09 ------------ 269. Buck Rogers 270. Congo Bongo 271. Spy Hunter 272. Star Trek 273. Sub Scan 274. Tac Scan 275. Tapper 276. Thunderground 277. Up n Down ($) -------------- -- APOLLO - 10 -------------- 278. Final Approach 279. Guardian ($) 280. Infiltrate 281. Lost Luggage 282. Raquetball 283. Shark Attack / Lock Jaw (*) 284. Skeet Shoot 285. Space Cavern (Space Canyon by Panda) 286. Space Chase 287. Wabbit (*) Lockjaw is a REPEAT/ROM HACK ---------------- -- US GAMES - 14 ---------------- 288. Commando Raid 289. Eggomania 290. Entombed 291. Gopher 292. M.A.D. 293. Name this Game / Octopus 294. Picnic 295. Piece 'o Cake 296. Raft Rider 297. Sneak 'n Peak 298. Space Jockey 299. Squeeze Box 300. Towering Inferno 301. Word Zapper ---------------- -- DATA AGE - 08 ---------------- 302. Air Lock 303. Bermuda Triangle 304. Bugs 305. Encounter at L-5 306. Frankenstein's Monster 307. Journey Escape 308. SSSnake 309. Warp Lock ------------- -- XONOX - 08 ------------- 310. Artillery Duel 311. Chuck Norris 312. Ghost Manor 313. Spike's Peak 314. Robin Hood ($) 315. Sir Lancelot ($) 316. Motocross Racer ($) 317. Tomarc the Barbarian ($) (*) many cart combinations but only 8 qualify & count --------------- -- TELESYS - 06 --------------- 318. Fast Food 319. Coconuts 320. Cosmic Creeps 321. Ram It ($) 322. Star Gunner ($) 323. Demolition Herby ($) ----------------------- -- CBS Electronics - 07 ----------------------- 324. Blue Print 325. Gorf 326. Mountain King 327. Omega Race 328. Solar Fox 329. Tunnel Runner 330. Wizard of Wor ---------------------------------- -- COMMA VID / Computer Magic - 07 ---------------------------------- 331. Cosmic Swarm 332. Room of Doom 333. Mines of Minos 334. Stronghold ($) 335. Cakewalk ($) 336. Magicard ($) 337. Video Life ($) ------------------- -- AVALON HILL - 05 ------------------- 338. London Blitz 339. Wall Ball 340. Shuttle Orbiter 341. Death Trap ($) 342. Out of Control ($) ------------------------------ -- ABSOLUTE ENTERTAINMENT - 04 ------------------------------ 343. Pete Rose Baseball 344. Skate Boardin' 345. Title Match Pro Wrestling / The Contenders 346. Tomcat: F-14 / Fighter Pilot --------------------- -- ZIMAG / VIDCO - 04 --------------------- 347. Cosmic Corridor / Space Tunnel by Bit Corp 348. Dishaster / Dancing Plate by Bit Corp 349. I Want My Mommy / Open Sesame by Bit Corp 350. Tanks But No Tanks / Tank Brigade by Panda / Phantom Tank by Bit Corp ------------ -- BOMB - 04 ------------ 351. Assault ($) 352. Great Escape ($) 353. Wall Defender ($) 354. Z-Tack ($) -------------- -- FROGGO - 04 -------------- 355. Cruise Missile / Exocet by Panda 356. Karate (*) 357. Sea Hawk / Sea Hawk by Panda 358. Sea Hunt / Scuba Diver by Panda (*) Spiderdroid is DISQUALIFIED (rom hack of Amidar) (*) Task Force is DISQUALIFIED (rom hack of Gangster Alley) (*) Karate qualifies ONCE (also available by K-TEL) ------------- -- SEARS - 03 ------------- 359. Steeplechase 360. Stellar Track 361. Submarine Commander ($) (*) All other Sears releases are simply rebranded Atari games -------------- -- KONAMI - 03 -------------- 362. Poo Yan ($) 363. Stradegy-X ($) 364. Marine Wars ($) ---------------- -- MYTHICON - 03 ---------------- 365. Fire Fly 366. Sorcerer 367. Star Fox ---------------- -- MYSTIQUE - 03 ---------------- 368. Custer's Revenge 369. Bachelor Party 370. Beat 'em & Eat 'em --------------------- -- PLAYAROUND -- 03 --------------------- 371. Gigolo 372. Burning Desire 373. Knight on the Town (*) Playaround had 12 games in total but only 3 of them were completely original. MYSTIQUE REPEATS: (general retreat, bachelor party, beat 'em & eat 'em) MYSTIQUE HACKS: (westward ho, bachelorette party, philly flasher) PLAYAROUND HACKS: (cathouse blues, jungle fever, lady in wading) ------------- -- EPYX -- 03 ------------- 374. California Games 375. Summer Games 376. Winter Games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 377. Dice Puzzle by Panda 378. Stunt Man by Panda (also NTSC Nightmare by Sancho) (*) Panda released more games but the rest were all repeats and/or rom hacks (*) Panda may or may not have had the rights to other games by Sancho) 379. Gauntlet by Answer Software 380. Malagai by Answer Software 381. Video Jogger by Exus 382. Video Reflex by Exus 383. Survival Run by Milton Bradley 384. Spitfire Attack by Milton Bradley 385. Halloween by Wizard 386. Texas Chainsaw by Wizard 387. Glacier Patrol by Telegames 388. Universal Chaos by Telegames (*) Telegames released more games & changed their titles but they were repeats 389. Vulture Attack by K-TEL Vision OR Condor Attack by Ultra Vision (*) Spider Maze is a rom hack of Donkey Kong (*) Karate (counts ONCE, either here or by Froggo) 390. BMX Airmaster by TNT Games (*) (available by Atari as well, but only counts once) 391. Boing! by First Star Software 392. Quest for Quintana Roo by Sunrise Software (*) (also available from Telegames) 393. Tax Avoiders by American Video Games 394. Mogul Maniac by Amiga (*) Amiga came very close to releasing Off Your Rocker 395. Rescue Terra I by Venture Vision 396. Glib by Selchow & Richter 397. X-Man by Universal Gamex 398. Tooth Protectors by DSD Camelot (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 399. Music Machine by Sparrow (*) (available by mail order and at Christian stores) 400. Eli's Ladder by Simage (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 401. Air Raid by Men A Vision (*) (available to purchase at some store front retailers) 402. Gamma Attack (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 403. Red Sea Crossing (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 404. Birthday Mania (*) (available to purchase by mail order) END. (*) -Extra Terrestrials- has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Time Warp by Zellers has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Challenge by Zellers has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Sea Monster by Puzzy has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: If a collector has these 404 games then they have a complete set. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) THE 404 IS A COMPLETE AND OFFICIAL USA/NTSC 2600 SET! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete NTSC 2600 cartridge set! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete North American 2600 cartridge set! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete NTSC AND PAL 2600 game set! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPLETE LIST OF DISQUALIFIED ENTRIES ALONG WITH DETAILED EXPLANATIONS: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) Polo (promotional game) A cartridge put together by Atari programmer Carol Shaw for a Ralph Lauren promotional event and was never sold nor officially available -- (*) Pepsi Invaders / Coke Wins (promotional game) Although it was made by Atari, and it was an actual mask rom game, it was limited to a release of about 125 copies and given away to employees of Coca-Cola. In addition, it is a graphical "rom hack" of Space Invaders, and thus is disqualified anyhow. -- (*) Atlantis 2 (promotional game) Although it was made by Imagic, and it was an actual mask rom game, it was only intended to be used as part of a contest and not an official release. In addition, it is a rom hack of Atlantis, and thus is disqualified for that as well. -- (*) Cubicolor (unreleased proto) Although it was made by Imagic, and it was an actual mask rom game, when Rob Fulop sold copies of this game to us, it was not done officially, nor through the proper channels, nor during the natural lifespan of the system. -- (*) Off Your Rocker (unreleased proto) Although it has a mask rom, it's an unofficial & unauthorized aftermarket cartridge sold with a hand made label and makeshift instruction sheet by a second hand distributor. -- (*) Confrontation (unreleased proto) Although a few people purchased samples from Answer Software, similar to Cubicolor, and it even happened during the natural lifespan of the system, the opportunity was not an open public and fair one, and the carts were not official releases, but rather production samples. -- (*) Cat Trax (production sample) Although a professional retail-ready NTSC cartridge was found for this game, it is still as of yet unclear and unconfirmed as to whether or not it's origins can be traced back to having been a released game or a dressed production sample. -- (*) Monogrammed Space Chase (rom hack) Although this was technically available, and it results in an extremely rare cartridge, it ammounts to nothing more then a rom hack of the original game. -- (*) Lockjaw (rom hack) Although the title was changed for legal reasons and the rom was slightly modified at the same time, it is not a different game. It is still Shark Attack. Atari themselves did similar things. Such as to Asteroids, when they implemented a copyright/title screen and when they altered Atari Video Cube to Rubik's Cube. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROM HACKS VERSUS REBUILDS - DETAILED EXPLANATION OF THE DISQUALIFICATION CRITERIA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many companies like Sears, Panda, Froggo, and Zellers rebranded and/or re-released previously available games. Sometimes with permission, sometimes without. Sometimes they altered the rom data, sometimes they didn't. So what makes a game cartridge a disqualified rom hack, versus a qualifying rom rebuild? Here is a detailed example: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISQUALIFIED ENTRIES: (Atari Video Cube / Rubik's Cube) AND (Stargate / Defender II) ACCEPTED & CONFIRMED: (Asterix / Taz) AND (Real Sports Baseball / Super Baseball) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The CRITERIA for these titles was based on the following comparisson table: (S=SAME / C=CHANGED) NAME BOXART ID# TITLE GAME ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Asterix / Taz C C C C C Atari Video / Rubik's Cube C S C C C Stargate / Defender II C S S C S Realsports / Super Baseball C C C C C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In order for a modified game to qualify as a "NEW" game, all 5 criteria must be met! GAME NAME BOX ART PRODUCT# TITLE SCREEN GAME GRAPHICS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (*) Asterix - (this was a complete rom rebuild of Taz, not just a rom hack) (*) Super Baseball - (complete rom rebuild of RS Baseball not just a rom hack) Some less controversial, although similar examples, of ROM REBUILDS: (Atari's Blackjack & Casino) (Atari's Solaris & Radar Lock) (Atari's RS Boxing & Absolute's Wrestling) (arguably all three of Mythicon's games) --------------------------------------------------------------------- AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE HERE SOME EXTREME CASES OF DISQUALIFICATIONS --------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) Color Bar Generator - (this is a service & repair utility device) This is neither a game nor a game program, and was never intended to be marketed or sold in that capacity; neither to repair centers nor consumers. -- (*) Arcadia/Starpath Super Charger - (this is a system modification / accesory) This cannot function without a tethered connection to an interface cartridge, which by itself serves no purpose or function when inserted alone. -- (*) Compumate Computer - (this is a system modification / accesory) An expansion interface console whose coincidental utilization of the system's cartridge port, via a tethered cartridge, although functional, is inconsequential. -- (*) Video Game Brain with Cat Trax - (this is an enhanced system accesory) Although the Cat Trax game is technically present and becomes playable as a result of its implementation, the tethered cartridge only functions as an interface. -- (*) Gameline Network with Save the Whales - (this is a joke) Although technically you could download and play this game on your system via a phone line connected to the gameline network device, because there was no OFFICIAL and LEGAL way, at the time, to copy and retain it's data on a normal stand alone cartridge, it will never be given legitamate status. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POSSIBLE FUTURE DISCOVERIES THAT COULD RESULT IN ALTERING OR EXPANDING THIS LIST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (+2) Atari's Fatal Run & Klax -- they were released in PAL format. -- their NTSC protos were found. -- their NTSC packaging would have been identical. -- 7800 Fatal Run was released in NTSC format. -- 2600 Sentinel saw release while 7800 Sentinel was also PAL exclsuive. -- 2600 Ikari Warriors & Motorodeo (also once presumed to be PAL exclusive) -- were found in Venezuela and in LARGE quantities. -- so these two games could turn up in NTSC and in LARGE quantities. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XXX. Extra Terrestrials (unreleased proto / production sample) (*) (available to purchase if some guy happened to knock on your door in Canada) -- was not sold at any retail stores -- was not advertised in any magazine or newspaper or television ad -- was designed, programmed, & assembled but never officially released -- was sold door to door, randomly and exclusively, to some Canadian residents NOTE: This game FAILS in EVERY area of qualification for ANY released list. In reality, this game is in the same category as Amiga's Off Your Rocker But because it had such an amazing and interesting story, it was given special treatment and positioned itself on many 2600 game lists. Even if he had knocked on some doors in northern USA bordering cities, and thus some USA residents also had the opportunity to purchase the game, it STILL would not qualify. Any cartridge that was exclusively made available to a select people in a select area or situation rather then fairly made available to the open public, is immediately disqualified. Even if the original INTENTION was to mass produce the game, advertise it publicly, and sell it through mail order and/or retail stores in BOTH Canadian and USA markets, it didn't happen. So the ONLY way to purchase this game from 1977-1990 was if you lived in Canada and if you happened to live in the area he was in, and if he happened to knock on your door, and you happened to be home. ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER ONE: 11 ------------------------ -- NTSC compatible games (will work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released otside the United States (not intended for the USA) 405. (CAN) Challenge by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) 406. (CAN) Time Warp by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) 407. (CAN) Inca Gold by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) / Spider Maze by K-TEL 408. (BRA) Spectracube by Sun Tek / Immies & Aggies (a Zimag game) 409. (BRA) Pizza Chef by CCE / (a Zimag game) 410. (BRA) Criminal Pursuit by Sun Tek / A Mysterious Thief by Zimag 411. (BRA) Mr. Postman by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) 412. (BRA) Bobby is Going Home by CCE (a Bit Corp game) 413. (CAN) Sea Monster by Puzzy (a Bit Corp game) (*). (CAN) Space Tunnel by Puzzy (REPEAT) Cosmic Corridor 414. (BRA) Mission 3000 A.D. by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) 415. (BRA) Squirrel by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) (*). (BRA) Dancing Plate by CCE (REPEAT) Dishaster (*). (BRA) Open Sesame by CCE (REPEAT) I want my Mommy (*). (BRA) Space Tunnel by CCE (REPEAT) Cosmic Corridor (*). (BRA) Phantom Tank by CCE (REPEAT) Tanks but no Tanks ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER TWO: 38 ------------------------ -- PAL compatible games (will NOT work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released outside the United States (not intended for the USA) -- have been found in NTSC format or can be converted to NTSC format 416. Fatal Run by Atari 417. Klax by Atari 418. Ghostbusters II by Salu (an Activision game) 419. My Golf by Salu (an HES game) 420. Acid Drop by Salu 421. Pick & Pile by Salu 422. Wing War by Imagic 423. Forest by Sancho 424. Dragon Defender by Suntek (Dragon Defender by Home Vision) 425. Farmyard Fun by Suntek (Play Farm by Home Vision) 426. Firebug by Suntek (Spinning Fireball by Zimag) (*ntsc) 427. IQ Memory Teaser by Sun Tek (IQ 180 by Home Vision) 428. Mole Hunter by Suntek (Topy by Home Vision) (*ntsc) 429. Motocross by Suntek (a Home Vision game) (*ntsc) 430. Ski Run by Suntek (a Home Vision game) 431. Sky Diver by Suntek (Parachute by Home Vision) 432. Treasure Island by Suntek (Treasure Discovery by Home Vision) 433. UFO Patrol by Suntek (X'Mission by Home Vision) 434. Walker by Suntek (Robin by Home Vision) 435. Zoo Fun by Suntek (an ITT Family game) (Panda Chase rebuild) 436. Frisco by Home Vision (RJPG) 437. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*ntsc) 438. Panda Chase by Home Vision 439. Racing Car by Home Vision (a Fun Vision game) (RJPG) 440. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (a Fun Vision game) (*ntsc) (RJPG) 441. Astrowar by Dimax/Sinmax 442. Go Go Home by Dimax/Sinmax (*ntsc) 443. The End of the World by Dimax/Sinmax (*ntsc) 444. Nuts by Techno Vision 445. Pharaoh's Curse by Techno Vision 446. Save Our Ship by Techno Vision (*ntsc) 447. Stone Age by CCE (a Techno Vision game) 448. Missile Control by Video Gems 449. Mission Survive by Video Gems 450. Steeplechase by Video Gems 451. Surfer's Paradise But Danger Below! by Video Gems 452. Treasure Below by Video Gems 453. Seal to Whales by Datatech (undumped) 454. Unknown by Datatech (MEXICO) (*ntsc) (Mazy Match by Pet Boat) 455. Megaboy by Dynacom (BRAZIL) (*ntsc) Edited October 27, 2019 by Supergun added lists 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #254 Posted October 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Supergun said: Here's my quick list and long list. (I will try to post the actual original document files here) 2600list.txt 2.83 kB · 1 download 2600_404.docx 36.38 kB · 1 download WOW, the long list is just everything I was trying to do. 🙂 There´s only minor suggestions but thank you deeply for sharing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stupus #255 Posted October 27, 2019 Some games stayed on the pal original list when the only ntsc version is a bootleg. So it gets hard to know where some should go....expansion 1 or 2. In the case of stone age the bootleg is the only released version....so it probably should go on the 1st expansion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergun #256 Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, stupus said: Some games stayed on the pal original list when the only ntsc version is a bootleg. So it gets hard to know where some should go....expansion 1 or 2. In the case of stone age the bootleg is the only released version....so it probably should go on the 1st expansion. I agree. The expansions to the usa/ntsc cartridge list are a minefield of NTSC vs. PAL and "authorized vs. pirate" arguments and debates. And any attempts to confirm or disqualify games based on quality, or packaging, or rumors, or childhood memories, etc. is also a minefield. The expansions are present MAINLY just to list games that people may make mention of in a debated discussion. (as proof that we are aware of and acknowledge that they exist, and thus that they are not "missing" because we didn't know about them) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stupus #257 Posted October 27, 2019 I had not seen your newest list Billy, very nicely done! I think it needs a few corrections between what goes on the non usa ntsc and pal expansions, and how they are titled. But i think all the games are there Mainly moving stone age and megaboy to expansion 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ballblaɀer #258 Posted October 27, 2019 Donald Duck's Speedboat should be added to the NTSC expansion set as it was available on numerous contemporary cartridges manufactured in Brazil and Argentina. Also, the expansion set has some games listed as Brazilian (from CCE), but eight of the nine "original" Bit Corp titles were available on NTSC Bit Corp-manufactured carts. Snail vs. Squirrel is the only one where a Bit Corp NTSC version is not (yet) known, so turning to the Bit Corp-licensed CCE version from Brazil makes sense for that one title. AFAIK, there's also still some debate over whether ZiMAG titles are hacks of Bit Corp originals. These arguments don't affect the number of total titles on the list, of course, but they do affect how they're referenced. If one is coming at this from a USA/NTSC-first angle, then I suppose listing the ZiMAG titles as such is the sensible approach regardless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #259 Posted October 27, 2019 Supergun (can I call you Billy?), do you mind if I take your latest list and just divide the games by manufacturer, like you did in your first attempt? Maybe also some minor tweaks in the expansions? This is already a superb job, and I guess with some minor tweaks it can easily go Canonycal. Really excellent piece of work. 🙂 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergun #260 Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ballblaɀer said: Donald Duck's Speedboat should be added to the NTSC expansion set as it was available on numerous contemporary cartridges manufactured in Brazil and Argentina. Also, the expansion set has some games listed as Brazilian (from CCE), but eight of the nine "original" Bit Corp titles were available on NTSC Bit Corp-manufactured carts. Snail vs. Squirrel is the only one where a Bit Corp NTSC version is not (yet) known, so turning to the Bit Corp-licensed CCE version from Brazil makes sense for that one title. AFAIK, there's also still some debate over whether ZiMAG titles are hacks of Bit Corp originals. These arguments don't affect the number of total titles on the list, of course, but they do affect how they're referenced. If one is coming at this from a USA/NTSC-first angle, then I suppose listing the ZiMAG titles as such is the sensible approach regardless. Bit Corp has always been a headache! It also wreaks havoc with the ColecoVision list too! While we do know more about them & what was likely their INTENDED game plan (mostly thanks to that product flyer that turned up a few years back) we still don’t know for certain what ACTUALLY DID make it to market in “official” USA/NTSC packaging AND more importantly, if that packaging ever officially SOLD in any USA advertised / accessible venue. Donald Duck is a massive grey area! And I have lots to say about it. But I’ll have to handle this one later though. I’ll be back! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stupus #261 Posted October 27, 2019 Hey ballblazer, When did that 8in1 bit Corp cart turn up. I was not aware of it. Is there only 1.....and i see its not dumped. How do we know for sure its ntsc and an official bit corp release? If there is only 1 then i question if its a true release.....and also a true usa release and not a south american release? I also have a hard time adding a sketchy multicart to cover multiple official releases of a few game titles. Very interesting though! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ballblaɀer #262 Posted October 27, 2019 I dumped it recently. There are definitely more than one; I own two at the moment, and I know at least one other person who has one. I believe it's been known to exist for a while, though. If you read on a bit further in the ROM dump thread, I also dumped the Bit Corp R320 cart, which we've learned was a pack-in cartridge with Bit Corp's "Creator 30" console. I think the 8-in-1 was likely a similar situation, either a pack-in with one of their other consoles, or perhaps it was just a multi-cart offering showing most of their original (?) creations. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #263 Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Ballblaɀer said: I dumped it recently. There are definitely more than one; I own two at the moment, and I know at least one other person who has one. I believe it's been known to exist for a while, though. If you read on a bit further in the ROM dump thread, I also dumped the Bit Corp R320 cart, which we've learned was a pack-in cartridge with Bit Corp's "Creator 30" console. I think the 8-in-1 was likely a similar situation, either a pack-in with one of their other consoles, or perhaps it was just a multi-cart offering showing most of their original (?) creations. I do have one 8-in-1 myself and I know maybe three other copies down here. I might ask around if there’s more. Definitely uncommon but not insanely rare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #264 Posted October 27, 2019 Here’s mine 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stupus #265 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Very cool ballblazer! I had not seen that thread! I have had a creator 30 for quite some time and never knew it had that pack in cart. Mine came with a few carts that are not listed on atari mania that resemble bit corp carts. I need to dig them out and see if anyone has heard of them. I figured they are clones but i really should check them out. If either of you have a spare 8in1 to part with i would live to get 1 Edited October 27, 2019 by stupus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergun #266 Posted October 27, 2019 I did minimal research & found an entire page dedicated to Bit Corp. https://bootleggames.fandom.com/wiki/Bit_Corp. Nothing whatsoever about who Bit Corp was, what they may or may not have intended to do, nor what they actually did do, comes off as “fair opportunity / widely available NTSC/USA products”. In fact, quite the opposite. It screams of poorly marketed, overseas based, internationally targeted, dubious pirate software. So they ain’t getting on the 404. No way, Jose. Not on my watch. They will remain in the expansion section where they belong. Some of their games (if they even were there’s originally) made their way to US store shelves through other companies. (Zimag/Vidco) So those count, in their own way and under those labels. But just because they have overseas cousins or international relatives, some of whom may even be NTSC, doesn’t grant them legitimacy. (such as Pizza Chef for example) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high voltage #267 Posted October 27, 2019 Haven't noticed it: Football Fanatic by Sports Compu-Stat Inc 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stupus #268 Posted October 27, 2019 When did this get added to atari mania? I have never seen it there before. Interesting! But its never released and the rom is lost so it wouldnt go on this list we are making. I guess it could kind of relate to the original thread title.....zero number of known copies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high voltage #269 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Maybe under Extreme Cases: And.... Compumate has built-in Graphic and Music programs, worth mentioning? Edited October 27, 2019 by high voltage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rom Hunter #270 Posted October 27, 2019 19 hours ago, Supergun said: Here's my quick list and long list. (I will try to post the actual original document files here) 2600list.txt 2.83 kB · 7 downloads 2600_404.docx 36.38 kB · 8 downloads Here's the best I can do at posting a text version that can be seen and read in the thread. ------------The Complete Atari 2600 NTSC / USA Cartridge Collection List------------ This comprehensive list breaks down the complete collection of USA / NTSC Atari 2600 video game cartridges from 001 to 404. It also explains WHY the actual total is 404. Games marked with an (*) are surrounded by controversy & as such are given detailed descriptions & explanations with REASONS for their additon or disqualification. Games marked with an ($) are scarce and are considered to be the highlights of a set. With careful consideration, serious stipulation, and relentless research, we find that a complete Atari 2600 NTSC / USA cartridge collection consists of 404 games. In order to qualify, a game must meet or exceed the following requirements: 1) 100% plug & play compatible with an unmodified original NTSC / USA Atari 2600. AND 2) Available for purchase at a retail store in the United States from 1977-1990. OR 3) Available through a mail order offer; advertized in a magazine or television ad. The Short List Breakdown -- Total 404 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 119- Atari 03 - Sears 16 - Imagic 10 - Apollo 44 - Activision 09 - Sega 13 - Coleco 17 - Mattel 17 - Fox 21 - Parker Brothers 08 - Data Age 08 - Xonox 06 - Telesys 07 - CBS 11 - Spectravision 07 - Commavid 14 - US Games 03 - Konami 03 - Epyx 10 - Tigervision 04 - Absolute 04 - Bomb 04 - Froggo 04 - Zimag 05 - Avalon Hill 03 - Mythicon 02 - Panda 01 - K-Tel 03 - Mystique 03 - Playaround 02 - Telegames 02 - Wizard 02 - Answer 02 - Exus 02 - Milton Bradley 01 - Sunrise 01 - Amiga 01 - AVG 01 - TNT 01 - Selchow & Righter 01 - First Star 01 - DSD 01 - Sparrow 01 - Gamex 01 - Venturevision 01 - Simage 01 - MenaVision 01 - Gammation 01 - Red Sea 01 - Birthday Mania ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Every cartridge presented for admission to this list is subjected to these questions: (1) Was the cartridge NTSC compatible? Meaning, did it function properly when inserted into a factory stock USA 2600 console connected to a 70s/80s era USA television set? (2) Was the game a repeat or a copy or a clone or a rom hack of an already existing and released game that was already on the list? (3) Was there another one available? Meaning, at the time, had another person been right next to you, or had they called the same phone number right after you, could they have also purchased it at that time? (4) Did you need to have a passport to get it? In other words, did you leave the country and buy it elsewhere and/or did you have it brought in from outside the USA? (5) Was the cartridge available during the natural lifespan of the system? ------------------The Detailed Disqualification Explanation Section----------------- 1) Any rebranded, repackaged, or renamed game that retained it's original rom data. 2) Any promotional game limited to a private event & not available for public purchase. 3) Any game released outside the USA in the PAL or SECAM television format. 4) Any game that went unreleased, regardless if a proto or a sample has been found. The Long List Breakdown -------------- -- Atari - 119 -------------- 001. Adventure 002. Air Sea Battle / Target Fun 003. Alpha Beam with Ernie 004. Asterix (*)($) 005. Asteroids 006. Atari Video Cube / Rubik's Cube (*)($) 007. Basic Programming 008. Basketball 009. Backgammon 010. Basic Math / Fun with Numbers 011. Battlezone 012. Big Bird's Egg Catch 013. Black Jack 014. Canyon Bomber 015. Brain Games 016. Berzerk 017. Bowling 018. Breakout / Breakaway IV 019. Circus Atari / Circus 020. Centipede 021. Casino 022. Championship Soccer / Pele's Soccer 023. Cookie Monster Munch 024. Crossbow 025. Codebreaker 026. Combat / Tank Plus 027. Dark Chambers 028. Defender 029. Crazy Climber ($) 030. Crystal Castles 031. Dig Dug 032. Double Dunk 033. Desert Falcon 034. Demons to Diamonds / Hot Rox 035. Flag Capture / Capture 036. Football 037. E.T. 038. Dodge 'Em / Dodger Cars 039. Golf 040. Gravitar 041. Galaxian 042. Concentration / Hunt & Score 043. Haunted House / Nightmare Manor 044. Joust 045. Gremlins 046. Hangman / Spelling 047. Human Cannonball / Cannon Man 048. Jr. Pac-Man 049. Kangaroo 050. Home Run / Baseball 051. Ikari Warriors 052. Jungle Hunt 053. Krull 054. Indy 500 / Race 055. Math Gran Prix 056. Millipede 057. Mario Bros. 058. Maze Craze / Maze Mania 059. Missile Command 060. Moon Patrol 061. Midnight Magic 062. Miniature Golf / Arcade Golf 063. Night Driver 064. Obelix ($) 065. Motorodeo 066. Ms. Pac-Man 067. Outlaw / Gunslinger 068. Othello / Reversi 069. Off the Wall 070. Oscar's Trash Race 071. Pigs in Space 072. Phoenix 073. Pac-Man 074. Pengo 075. Radar Lock 076. Quadrun ($) 077. Pole Position 078. Raiders of the Lost Arc 079. Real Sports Baseball 080. Real Sports Boxing 081. Real Sports Football 082. Real Sports Soccer 083. Real Sports Tennis 084. Real Sports Volleyball 085. Road Runner 086. Sentinel 087. Slot Machine / Slots 088. Solaris / Star Raiders 2 089. Secret Quest 090. Sky Diver / Dare Diver 091. Slot Racers / Maze 092. Space War / Space Combat 093. Star Raiders 094. Snoopy & the Red Baron 095. Space Invaders 096. Sprintmaster 097. Street Racer 098. Sorcerer's Apprentice 099. Stargate / Defender 2 (*) 100. Surround / Chase 101. Superman 102. Star Ship / Space Mission 103. Super Breakout 104. Taz 105. Super Baseball (*) 106. Super Football 107. Swordquest Earth World 108. Swordquest Fire World 109. Swordquest Water World ($) 110. 3-D Tic Tac Toe 111. Track & Field 112. Vanguard 113. Video Checkers / Checkers 114. Video Chess / Chess 115. Video Olympics / Pong Sports 116. Video Pinball / Arcade Pinball 117. Warlords 118. Xenophobe 119. Yar's Revenge (*) BMX Airmaster - (counts ONCE!) - (Atari or TNT) (*) Qbert - (REPEAT) - (original by Parker Brothers) (*) Donkey Kong - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Donkey Kong Jr. - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Mouse Trap - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Venture - (REPEAT) - (original by Coleco) (*) Polo is DISQUALIFIED - (explained below) (*) Pepsi Invaders / Coke Wins is DISQUALIFIED ------------------- -- Activision -- 44 ------------------- 120. Barnstorming 121. Beamrider 122. Boxing 123. Bridge 124. Checkers 125. Chopper Command 126. Commando 127. Cosmic Commuter ($) 128. Crackpots 129. Decathlon 130. Dolphin 131. Double Dragon 132. Dragster 133. Enduro 134. Fishing Derby 135. Freeway 136. Frostbite 137. Ghostbusters 138. Grand Prix 139. H.E.R.O. 140. Ice Hockey 141. Kaboom! 142. Keystone Kapers 143. Kung Fu Master 144. Laser Blast 145. Megamania 146. Oink! 147. Pitfall! 148. Pitfall II 149. Plaque Attack 150. Pressure Cooker 151. Private Eye 152. Rampage 153. River Raid 154. River Raid II 155. Robot Tank 156. Seaquest 157. Skiing 158. Sky Jink 159. Space Shuttle 160. Spider Fighter 161. Stampede 162. Starmaster 163. Tennis (*) Atlantis (REPEAT) (*) Demon Attack (REPEAT) (*) Moonsweeper (REPEAT) --------------- -- IMAGIC -- 16 --------------- 164. Atlantis 165. Cosmic Ark 166. Demon Attack 167. Dragonfire 168. Fathom 169. Fire Fighter 170. Laser Gates 171. Moonsweeper 172. No Escape! 173. Quick Step! 174. Riddle of the Sphinx 175. Shootin' Gallery 176. Solar Storm 177. Star Voyager 178. Subterranea 179. Trick Shot (*) Atlantis 2 is DISQUALIFIED (*) Cubicolor is DISQUALIFIED --------------------------- -- Parker Brothers -- 21 --------------------------- 180. Amidar 181. Frogger 182. Frogger II 183. G.I. Joe / Action Force 184. Gyruss 185. James Bond 007 186. Montezuma's Revenge 187. Mr. Do’s Castle ($) 188. Popeye 189. Q*Bert 190. Q*Bert’s Qubes ($) 191. Reactor 192. Sky Skipper 193. Spider-Man 194. Star Wars - Jedi Arena 195. Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back 196. Star Wars - Return of the Jedi 197. Star Wars - The Arcade Game 198. Strawberry Shortcake 199. Super Cobra 200. Tutankham --------------- -- COLECO -- 13 --------------- 201. Carnival 202. Donkey Kong 203. Mouse Trap 204. Smurf Rescue 205. Venture 206. Zaxxon 207. Donkey Kong Jr. 208. Time Pilot 209. Mr. Do! 210. Roc 'n Rope 211. Front Line 212. Smurf's Save the Day ($) 213. Berenstain Bears ($) -------------------- -- TIGERVISION -- 10 -------------------- 214. King Kong 215. Jawbreaker 216. Threshold 217. Miner 2049er 218. Polaris 219. Marauder ($) 220. Springer ($) 221. Espial ($) 222. Miner 2049er II 223. River Patrol ($) --------------------- -- SPECTRAVISION - 11 --------------------- 224. Planet Patrol 225. Gangster Alley 226. Cross Force 227. China Syndrome 228. Tapeworm 229. Nexar 230. Bumper Bash ($) 231. Master Builder ($) 232. Gas Hog ($) 233. Chase the Chuckwagon ($) 234. Mangia' ($) ---------------------- -- MATTEL NETWORK - 17 ---------------------- 235. Adventures of Tron / GX-12 236. Air Raiders / Bogey Blaster 237. Armor Ambush 238. Astroblast 239. Bump 'n Jump 240. Burgertime 241. Dark Cavern 242. Frogs & Flies 243. International Soccer 244. Kool Aid Man 245. Lock 'n Chase 246. He-Man 247. Space Attack 248. Star Strike 249. Super Challenge Baseball 250. Super Challenge Football 251. Tron: Deadly Discs ------------------------ -- 20TH CENTURY FOX - 17 ------------------------ 252. Alien 253. Bank Heist 254. Beany Bopper 255. Crash Dive 256. Crypts of Chaos 257. Deadly Duck 258. Earth Dies Screaming ($) 259. Fantastic Voyage 260. Fast Eddie 261. Flash Gordan 262. M*A*S*H* 263. Mega Force 264. Porky's 265. Revenge of the Beefsteak Tomatoes 266. Spacemaster X-7 ($) 267. Turmoil 268. Worm War I ------------ -- SEGA - 09 ------------ 269. Buck Rogers 270. Congo Bongo 271. Spy Hunter 272. Star Trek 273. Sub Scan 274. Tac Scan 275. Tapper 276. Thunderground 277. Up n Down ($) -------------- -- APOLLO - 10 -------------- 278. Final Approach 279. Guardian ($) 280. Infiltrate 281. Lost Luggage 282. Raquetball 283. Shark Attack / Lock Jaw (*) 284. Skeet Shoot 285. Space Cavern (Space Canyon by Panda) 286. Space Chase 287. Wabbit (*) Lockjaw is a REPEAT/ROM HACK ---------------- -- US GAMES - 14 ---------------- 288. Commando Raid 289. Eggomania 290. Entombed 291. Gopher 292. M.A.D. 293. Name this Game / Octopus 294. Picnic 295. Piece 'o Cake 296. Raft Rider 297. Sneak 'n Peak 298. Space Jockey 299. Squeeze Box 300. Towering Inferno 301. Word Zapper ---------------- -- DATA AGE - 08 ---------------- 302. Air Lock 303. Bermuda Triangle 304. Bugs 305. Encounter at L-5 306. Frankenstein's Monster 307. Journey Escape 308. SSSnake 309. Warp Lock ------------- -- XONOX - 08 ------------- 310. Artillery Duel 311. Chuck Norris 312. Ghost Manor 313. Spike's Peak 314. Robin Hood ($) 315. Sir Lancelot ($) 316. Motocross Racer ($) 317. Tomarc the Barbarian ($) (*) many cart combinations but only 8 qualify & count --------------- -- TELESYS - 06 --------------- 318. Fast Food 319. Coconuts 320. Cosmic Creeps 321. Ram It ($) 322. Star Gunner ($) 323. Demolition Herby ($) ----------------------- -- CBS Electronics - 07 ----------------------- 324. Blue Print 325. Gorf 326. Mountain King 327. Omega Race 328. Solar Fox 329. Tunnel Runner 330. Wizard of Wor ---------------------------------- -- COMMA VID / Computer Magic - 07 ---------------------------------- 331. Cosmic Swarm 332. Room of Doom 333. Mines of Minos 334. Stronghold ($) 335. Cakewalk ($) 336. Magicard ($) 337. Video Life ($) ------------------- -- AVALON HILL - 05 ------------------- 338. London Blitz 339. Wall Ball 340. Shuttle Orbiter 341. Death Trap ($) 342. Out of Control ($) ------------------------------ -- ABSOLUTE ENTERTAINMENT - 04 ------------------------------ 343. Pete Rose Baseball 344. Skate Boardin' 345. Title Match Pro Wrestling / The Contenders 346. Tomcat: F-14 / Fighter Pilot --------------------- -- ZIMAG / VIDCO - 04 --------------------- 347. Cosmic Corridor / Space Tunnel by Bit Corp 348. Dishaster / Dancing Plate by Bit Corp 349. I Want My Mommy / Open Sesame by Bit Corp 350. Tanks But No Tanks / Tank Brigade by Panda / Phantom Tank by Bit Corp ------------ -- BOMB - 04 ------------ 351. Assault ($) 352. Great Escape ($) 353. Wall Defender ($) 354. Z-Tack ($) -------------- -- FROGGO - 04 -------------- 355. Cruise Missile / Exocet by Panda 356. Karate (*) 357. Sea Hawk / Sea Hawk by Panda 358. Sea Hunt / Scuba Diver by Panda (*) Spiderdroid is DISQUALIFIED (rom hack of Amidar) (*) Task Force is DISQUALIFIED (rom hack of Gangster Alley) (*) Karate qualifies ONCE (also available by K-TEL) ------------- -- SEARS - 03 ------------- 359. Steeplechase 360. Stellar Track 361. Submarine Commander ($) (*) All other Sears releases are simply rebranded Atari games -------------- -- KONAMI - 03 -------------- 362. Poo Yan ($) 363. Stradegy-X ($) 364. Marine Wars ($) ---------------- -- MYTHICON - 03 ---------------- 365. Fire Fly 366. Sorcerer 367. Star Fox ---------------- -- MYSTIQUE - 03 ---------------- 368. Custer's Revenge 369. Bachelor Party 370. Beat 'em & Eat 'em --------------------- -- PLAYAROUND -- 03 --------------------- 371. Gigolo 372. Burning Desire 373. Knight on the Town (*) Playaround had 12 games in total but only 3 of them were completely original. MYSTIQUE REPEATS: (general retreat, bachelor party, beat 'em & eat 'em) MYSTIQUE HACKS: (westward ho, bachelorette party, philly flasher) PLAYAROUND HACKS: (cathouse blues, jungle fever, lady in wading) ------------- -- EPYX -- 03 ------------- 374. California Games 375. Summer Games 376. Winter Games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 377. Dice Puzzle by Panda 378. Stunt Man by Panda (also NTSC Nightmare by Sancho) (*) Panda released more games but the rest were all repeats and/or rom hacks (*) Panda may or may not have had the rights to other games by Sancho) 379. Gauntlet by Answer Software 380. Malagai by Answer Software 381. Video Jogger by Exus 382. Video Reflex by Exus 383. Survival Run by Milton Bradley 384. Spitfire Attack by Milton Bradley 385. Halloween by Wizard 386. Texas Chainsaw by Wizard 387. Glacier Patrol by Telegames 388. Universal Chaos by Telegames (*) Telegames released more games & changed their titles but they were repeats 389. Vulture Attack by K-TEL Vision OR Condor Attack by Ultra Vision (*) Spider Maze is a rom hack of Donkey Kong (*) Karate (counts ONCE, either here or by Froggo) 390. BMX Airmaster by TNT Games (*) (available by Atari as well, but only counts once) 391. Boing! by First Star Software 392. Quest for Quintana Roo by Sunrise Software (*) (also available from Telegames) 393. Tax Avoiders by American Video Games 394. Mogul Maniac by Amiga (*) Amiga came very close to releasing Off Your Rocker 395. Rescue Terra I by Venture Vision 396. Glib by Selchow & Richter 397. X-Man by Universal Gamex 398. Tooth Protectors by DSD Camelot (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 399. Music Machine by Sparrow (*) (available by mail order and at Christian stores) 400. Eli's Ladder by Simage (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 401. Air Raid by Men A Vision (*) (available to purchase at some store front retailers) 402. Gamma Attack (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 403. Red Sea Crossing (*) (available to purchase by mail order) 404. Birthday Mania (*) (available to purchase by mail order) END. (*) -Extra Terrestrials- has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Time Warp by Zellers has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Challenge by Zellers has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred (*) Sea Monster by Puzzy has been USA/NTSC DISQUALIFIED and transferred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: If a collector has these 404 games then they have a complete set. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) THE 404 IS A COMPLETE AND OFFICIAL USA/NTSC 2600 SET! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete NTSC 2600 cartridge set! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete North American 2600 cartridge set! (*) the 404 is NOT a complete NTSC AND PAL 2600 game set! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPLETE LIST OF DISQUALIFIED ENTRIES ALONG WITH DETAILED EXPLANATIONS: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) Polo (promotional game) A cartridge put together by Atari programmer Carol Shaw for a Ralph Lauren promotional event and was never sold nor officially available -- (*) Pepsi Invaders / Coke Wins (promotional game) Although it was made by Atari, and it was an actual mask rom game, it was limited to a release of about 125 copies and given away to employees of Coca-Cola. In addition, it is a graphical "rom hack" of Space Invaders, and thus is disqualified anyhow. -- (*) Atlantis 2 (promotional game) Although it was made by Imagic, and it was an actual mask rom game, it was only intended to be used as part of a contest and not an official release. In addition, it is a rom hack of Atlantis, and thus is disqualified for that as well. -- (*) Cubicolor (unreleased proto) Although it was made by Imagic, and it was an actual mask rom game, when Rob Fulop sold copies of this game to us, it was not done officially, nor through the proper channels, nor during the natural lifespan of the system. -- (*) Off Your Rocker (unreleased proto) Although it has a mask rom, it's an unofficial & unauthorized aftermarket cartridge sold with a hand made label and makeshift instruction sheet by a second hand distributor. -- (*) Confrontation (unreleased proto) Although a few people purchased samples from Answer Software, similar to Cubicolor, and it even happened during the natural lifespan of the system, the opportunity was not an open public and fair one, and the carts were not official releases, but rather production samples. -- (*) Cat Trax (production sample) Although a professional retail-ready NTSC cartridge was found for this game, it is still as of yet unclear and unconfirmed as to whether or not it's origins can be traced back to having been a released game or a dressed production sample. -- (*) Monogrammed Space Chase (rom hack) Although this was technically available, and it results in an extremely rare cartridge, it ammounts to nothing more then a rom hack of the original game. -- (*) Lockjaw (rom hack) Although the title was changed for legal reasons and the rom was slightly modified at the same time, it is not a different game. It is still Shark Attack. Atari themselves did similar things. Such as to Asteroids, when they implemented a copyright/title screen and when they altered Atari Video Cube to Rubik's Cube. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROM HACKS VERSUS REBUILDS - DETAILED EXPLANATION OF THE DISQUALIFICATION CRITERIA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many companies like Sears, Panda, Froggo, and Zellers rebranded and/or re-released previously available games. Sometimes with permission, sometimes without. Sometimes they altered the rom data, sometimes they didn't. So what makes a game cartridge a disqualified rom hack, versus a qualifying rom rebuild? Here is a detailed example: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISQUALIFIED ENTRIES: (Atari Video Cube / Rubik's Cube) AND (Stargate / Defender II) ACCEPTED & CONFIRMED: (Asterix / Taz) AND (Real Sports Baseball / Super Baseball) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The CRITERIA for these titles was based on the following comparisson table: (S=SAME / C=CHANGED) NAME BOXART ID# TITLE GAME ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Asterix / Taz C C C C C Atari Video / Rubik's Cube C S C C C Stargate / Defender II C S S C S Realsports / Super Baseball C C C C C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In order for a modified game to qualify as a "NEW" game, all 5 criteria must be met! GAME NAME BOX ART PRODUCT# TITLE SCREEN GAME GRAPHICS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (*) Asterix - (this was a complete rom rebuild of Taz, not just a rom hack) (*) Super Baseball - (complete rom rebuild of RS Baseball not just a rom hack) Some less controversial, although similar examples, of ROM REBUILDS: (Atari's Blackjack & Casino) (Atari's Solaris & Radar Lock) (Atari's RS Boxing & Absolute's Wrestling) (arguably all three of Mythicon's games) --------------------------------------------------------------------- AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE HERE SOME EXTREME CASES OF DISQUALIFICATIONS --------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) Color Bar Generator - (this is a service & repair utility device) This is neither a game nor a game program, and was never intended to be marketed or sold in that capacity; neither to repair centers nor consumers. -- (*) Arcadia/Starpath Super Charger - (this is a system modification / accesory) This cannot function without a tethered connection to an interface cartridge, which by itself serves no purpose or function when inserted alone. -- (*) Compumate Computer - (this is a system modification / accesory) An expansion interface console whose coincidental utilization of the system's cartridge port, via a tethered cartridge, although functional, is inconsequential. -- (*) Video Game Brain with Cat Trax - (this is an enhanced system accesory) Although the Cat Trax game is technically present and becomes playable as a result of its implementation, the tethered cartridge only functions as an interface. -- (*) Gameline Network with Save the Whales - (this is a joke) Although technically you could download and play this game on your system via a phone line connected to the gameline network device, because there was no OFFICIAL and LEGAL way, at the time, to copy and retain it's data on a normal stand alone cartridge, it will never be given legitamate status. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POSSIBLE FUTURE DISCOVERIES THAT COULD RESULT IN ALTERING OR EXPANDING THIS LIST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (+2) Atari's Fatal Run & Klax -- they were released in PAL format. -- their NTSC protos were found. -- their NTSC packaging would have been identical. -- 7800 Fatal Run was released in NTSC format. -- 2600 Sentinel saw release while 7800 Sentinel was also PAL exclsuive. -- 2600 Ikari Warriors & Motorodeo (also once presumed to be PAL exclusive) -- were found in Venezuela and in LARGE quantities. -- so these two games could turn up in NTSC and in LARGE quantities. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XXX. Extra Terrestrials (unreleased proto / production sample) (*) (available to purchase if some guy happened to knock on your door in Canada) -- was not sold at any retail stores -- was not advertised in any magazine or newspaper or television ad -- was designed, programmed, & assembled but never officially released -- was sold door to door, randomly and exclusively, to some Canadian residents NOTE: This game FAILS in EVERY area of qualification for ANY released list. In reality, this game is in the same category as Amiga's Off Your Rocker But because it had such an amazing and interesting story, it was given special treatment and positioned itself on many 2600 game lists. Even if he had knocked on some doors in northern USA bordering cities, and thus some USA residents also had the opportunity to purchase the game, it STILL would not qualify. Any cartridge that was exclusively made available to a select people in a select area or situation rather then fairly made available to the open public, is immediately disqualified. Even if the original INTENTION was to mass produce the game, advertise it publicly, and sell it through mail order and/or retail stores in BOTH Canadian and USA markets, it didn't happen. So the ONLY way to purchase this game from 1977-1990 was if you lived in Canada and if you happened to live in the area he was in, and if he happened to knock on your door, and you happened to be home. ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER ONE: 11 ------------------------ -- NTSC compatible games (will work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released otside the United States (not intended for the USA) 405. (CAN) Challenge by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) 406. (CAN) Time Warp by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) 407. (CAN) Inca Gold by Zellers / (a Fun Vision game) / Spider Maze by K-TEL 408. (BRA) Spectracube by Sun Tek / Immies & Aggies (a Zimag game) 409. (BRA) Pizza Chef by CCE / (a Zimag game) 410. (BRA) Criminal Pursuit by Sun Tek / A Mysterious Thief by Zimag 411. (BRA) Mr. Postman by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) 412. (BRA) Bobby is Going Home by CCE (a Bit Corp game) 413. (CAN) Sea Monster by Puzzy (a Bit Corp game) (*). (CAN) Space Tunnel by Puzzy (REPEAT) Cosmic Corridor 414. (BRA) Mission 3000 A.D. by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) 415. (BRA) Squirrel by CCE / (a Bit Corp game) (*). (BRA) Dancing Plate by CCE (REPEAT) Dishaster (*). (BRA) Open Sesame by CCE (REPEAT) I want my Mommy (*). (BRA) Space Tunnel by CCE (REPEAT) Cosmic Corridor (*). (BRA) Phantom Tank by CCE (REPEAT) Tanks but no Tanks ------------------------ EXPANSION NUMBER TWO: 38 ------------------------ -- PAL compatible games (will NOT work on a stock console) -- unique to the other games listed (not repeats or rom hacks) -- released outside the United States (not intended for the USA) -- have been found in NTSC format or can be converted to NTSC format 416. Fatal Run by Atari 417. Klax by Atari 418. Ghostbusters II by Salu (an Activision game) 419. My Golf by Salu (an HES game) 420. Acid Drop by Salu 421. Pick & Pile by Salu 422. Wing War by Imagic 423. Forest by Sancho 424. Dragon Defender by Suntek (Dragon Defender by Home Vision) 425. Farmyard Fun by Suntek (Play Farm by Home Vision) 426. Firebug by Suntek (Spinning Fireball by Zimag) (*ntsc) 427. IQ Memory Teaser by Sun Tek (IQ 180 by Home Vision) 428. Mole Hunter by Suntek (Topy by Home Vision) (*ntsc) 429. Motocross by Suntek (a Home Vision game) (*ntsc) 430. Ski Run by Suntek (a Home Vision game) 431. Sky Diver by Suntek (Parachute by Home Vision) 432. Treasure Island by Suntek (Treasure Discovery by Home Vision) 433. UFO Patrol by Suntek (X'Mission by Home Vision) 434. Walker by Suntek (Robin by Home Vision) 435. Zoo Fun by Suntek (an ITT Family game) (Panda Chase rebuild) 436. Frisco by Home Vision (RJPG) 437. Lilly Adventure by Home Vision (*ntsc) 438. Panda Chase by Home Vision 439. Racing Car by Home Vision (a Fun Vision game) (RJPG) 440. Ski Hunt by Home Vision (a Fun Vision game) (*ntsc) (RJPG) 441. Astrowar by Dimax/Sinmax 442. Go Go Home by Dimax/Sinmax (*ntsc) 443. The End of the World by Dimax/Sinmax (*ntsc) 444. Nuts by Techno Vision 445. Pharaoh's Curse by Techno Vision 446. Save Our Ship by Techno Vision (*ntsc) 447. Stone Age by CCE (a Techno Vision game) 448. Missile Control by Video Gems 449. Mission Survive by Video Gems 450. Steeplechase by Video Gems 451. Surfer's Paradise But Danger Below! by Video Gems 452. Treasure Below by Video Gems 453. Seal to Whales by Datatech (undumped) 454. Unknown by Datatech (MEXICO) (*ntsc) (Mazy Match by Pet Boat) 455. Megaboy by Dynacom (BRAZIL) (*ntsc) Now we're talking. Thanks, Supergun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardopiazzoliparente #271 Posted October 29, 2019 Hello, Asterix NTSC and FUNVISION KARATE NTSC cartridges are also rarity 10 On 8/19/2018 at 9:56 PM, Blazing Lazers said: Inspired by the recent discovery of a 5th(!) Extra Terrestrials cart, I wanted to put together a quick list of all of the R10/top tier rarest carts arranged by the number of publicly known copies. I greatly look forward to hearing from those who know far better than I here about more exact figures, and certainly about the estimated number of copies for games that are usually among those featured on all of the "rarest Atari games" lists. What I have off the top of my head and from quick searches: 1x copy: Gamma Attack, Red Sea Crossing, Cat Trax (was this real?) 2x copies: Birthday Mania, monogrammed Space Chase 3x copies: Ultravision Karate 4x copies: 5x copies: Extra Terrestrials 6x copies: Gauntlet 15x copies: Eli's Ladder 23x copies: Magicard 28x copies: Pepsi Invaders and with a surprising amount of copies apparently out there, around 20x copies of Air Raid known. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #272 Posted November 2, 2019 Almost ready... 🙂 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vintagegamecrazy #273 Posted November 3, 2019 How about making all of the disqualified stuff it's own specialty category instead. I'm not talking about name changes but the stuff like Extra Terrestrials and stuff like that. Afterall they did see the light of day at least somehow and are more than prototypes despite not having a true release and there are a lot of collectors who count them and are hard core enough to chase after them for their collections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazzeri #274 Posted November 3, 2019 Here´s the latest version of the Atari 2600 collection spreadsheet, entirely redone. I would love to hear what @Supergun and @Rom Hunter thinks 🙂 https://atariage.com/forums/topic/298037-atari-2600-collection-checklist/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high voltage #275 Posted November 4, 2019 DISQUALIFIED ENTRIES: Arkyology perhaps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites