HCRAYERT504 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hello, I don't have experience with hardware so I'm looking for someone who can fix my Commodore 64, it powers on and has no aesthetic damage but it doesn't output video for some reason, so please reply if you are willing to take on this task. I'm located in Tennessee by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Ray Carlsen can repair your C64. However, he is located in southern Washington state. Truly, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDDuck Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 How can we contact this gentleman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Ray's website with contact info: http://personalpages.tds.net/~rcarlsen/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie D. Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 A few suggestions. I just fixed one myself. There are a few things you should check. First make sure you're getting good voltage. Take a multimeter across the top two pins of the power plug and set it to AC. You should get around 9 volts. Now set it to DC and check the bottom and left pin, and you should get 5 around 5 volts. If your AC is a little high it should still be safe up to 11v, but too much higher is dangerous. If it's significantly lower you don't have enough power to run the system. The DC line is MUCH closer. You should have no higher than 5.2vDC. If it's any higher your PSU is failing and will eventually damage your C64. 5.5V is the point of no return. Do not plug it in if it's this high. If it's lower than 5v then you may not have enough power to boot. Now check amperage. You should be getting between 1 and 2 amps from each line. Lower than 1, and again you don't have enough power. It shouldn't read higher, because it's not capable of that. In which case it's time to look into a new power supply. OK is your PSU verified good? Time to check the board. First let's check the obvious. Pull out your fuse and see if it's burned out. You can measure resistance on it. Expect about 3 ohms. If you can't get a reading it's blown, though usually you can just tell by looking at it. If it is blown it uses a 1.5amp quick blow fuse. Look at those 3 big drum capacitors on the right side of the board. Are any of them leaking liquid or bulging? If so you have a capacitor that's gone bad either from getting overloaded or just from age. Replacement kits are available if you have a bit of soldering skill. https://console5.com/store/ Are caps looking good? Ok, I'm not going to go in depth on checking voltages here, but there's an official C64 repair manual you can check full of circuit diagrams that should tell you what is where and what voltages to expect at those points. This is just a quick troubleshoot to help you find some of the more common problems. If you want to really dive in there with a multimeter you can reference the service manual available in PDF here. https://www.retro-kit.co.uk/user/custom/Commodore/C64/manuals/C64C_Service_Manual.pdf It's full of circuit diagrams that will tell you what is where, what it does, and what voltages to expect. This is also a good time to grab a can of compressed air and clean any dust out of your C64 by the way. If you want to really make it shine, and clean up your contacts, make sure to use 90% alcohol. Now if your power is good let's start checking those chips. First let's see if this is a video problem, or if it's just not booting. Try some blind keyboard commands. If you have a disk drive, or disk drive replacement just type load "*",8 and see if the drive reacts. If it does your C64 is running, but not putting out video. In that case it's very likely your VIC II chip. The VIC II can be found underneath the metal case to the middle right of the board with all the little holes in it. You may need to pry a little bit on the clips to the left side of the case to get the lid off. It's designed to just lift off, but over the years they tend to get a little stuck. Pull the VIC II. This chip is always slotted so just use a chip puller to take it out. Check the pins for corrosion, and try reinserting it. Sometimes it just has a bad connection and needs reseating. If that fails you may have a bad VIC II chip. So far no one has come up with an aftermarket replacement, but you may be able to find an original one on ebay or pull one from another C64. If blind keyboard commands did nothing, then you likely have other issues, so we can leave the VIC II be for now. One of the most common causes of a black screen is a failed Kernel ROM chip, and it's also very easy to check for. In fact it's the only one you won't even need to pull a chip for. There are certain cartridge games that bypass the kernel ROM entirely and boot straight to cartridge, so if the ROM is bad the system should boot with one of these. The most commonly known are Kickman and Jupter Lander. Kickman is cheap and plentiful on ebay. If you don't have one of those there are others that might work, so you might try with some you do own. You can also spring for a dead test cartridge, but I'm not going in depth on that one here. Did it boot with the cartridge in? If yes then congrats, we've found the problem. You just need to change out your Kernel ROM. You COULD hunt down an original, but I'd suggest that instead you take this opportunity to install JiffyDOS. It can be found on ebay, or you can get it from Retro Innovations. http://store.go4retro.com/ I don't know which version of the C64 you have so I don't know if your ROM is socketed or soldered. I fit's soldered you'll need to unsolder it very carefully and install a socket. If this is outside your ability you may want to have someone do it for you (or at this point just pay to have it repaired). If it's socketed, then all you need is a chip puller. They're super inexpensive and very useful. Again can be found on ebay if you don't already have one. DO NOT try to pull a chip without one or try to pry it out with something else. These are old chips and fragile. They will break if not pulled properly. Ok if it didn't work with the cartridge in you probably have other problems. NOW it's time to start pulling chips. First pull and reseat all slotted chips. Just like with the VIC before, we're trying to eliminate bad connections as the cause. If it boots you're good now. Otherwise let's continue. The chief chips that can cause a total black screen are the Kernel ROM, the VIC II, and of course the CPU, but we want to eliminate another bad chip first. if they're slotted, remove the following chips. The SID (the sound chip) at 18 both CIAs at U1 and U2 U 28 and U16 if you have them (not all boards do). The goal here is to isolate the absolutely vital chips. If it boots now it will look weird, and may not respond but will have picture. If that's the case, then power it back off and reinsert chips one at a time, trying again after each one until you lose picture again. When you find the culprit replace it. All but the SID aren't too hard to find replacements for, but SID chips are kind of valuable and expensive. You might can pull one from another dead C64, or look into the Nano Swin, a modern replacement for the SID. Using it, you'll lose the ability to use a mouse or paddle controls, but you will have sound. If you're still reading this then even that didn't get you a picture. This leaves you most likely with a bad CPU or PLA. The CPU is a MOS 6510 chip. There are modern replacements for the PLA such as the PLAnkton. Keep in mind if it's your CPU, there may still be something wrong with any of the previous chips mentioned once the CPU is working, so work your way backwards through these tests to try them again. In my case I found a bad CPU, fixed that, still had a black screen, checked again with a cartridge, and then discovered the ROM was also bad, then fixed that to get the system back up and running. Hope that helps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zylon Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 ^^ this post'd make a damn good sticky. All those methods are simple, yet valid and effective. Sure would beat having to re-explain this stuff again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCRAYERT504 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 Thanks for the input everyone, I sent it to Ray a few days ago so I think I'm good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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