One of the dumbest moments in gaming... GameSpy

[Htbaa]

Gamespy wrote an article about the dumbest moments in gaming. There's also a little article about the Atari Jaguar.

 

It's a shame...

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/june03/dum...s/index22.shtml

[+Saturn]

[Guest]

SCREW THEM!

THEY NEVER HAD A JAGUAR!

IT IS STILL THE BEST SYSTEM! AND IT ISNT DEAD EITHER!

 

WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!

 

THEY HAVENT SEEN OR PLAYED GAMES LIKE WOLFENSTEIN3D, BATTLESPHERE GOLD OR OTHER GRAPHICAL TALENT GAME!

 

TALKING BAD THINGS ABOUT SYSTEM THAT YOU DONT EVEN OWN!

 

GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....

[Thunderbird]

Umm... they don't really trash the Jaguar that badly. The article more or less makes fun of the Atari management, which is a different thing entirely.

[panamajoe]

... read the tramiel interview ... everything they say is true ...

[Starcat]

Hi !

 

Hmmm, sorry, but I don't see what's wrong with the article.

What they say is true. The management at atari did a lot of mistakes and really had did some strange decisions.

 

And if you compare the Jag sales to the sales of PSX or systems like that, the Jag looks like a flop of course.

 

And that only about 10 % of the jag fans have Jag cds... could be.

 

So what's so bad about the article ?

 

I've read articles that really make the Jag look bad, but this one is still fair.

 

To dragonforce: How can you be so sure that they never played the Jag ?

Besides it's quite easy to get an idea how the Jag is when it comes to games, because most Jag games were ports and if they know the games on other systems they can get an idea how the games on the Jag are.

Actually maybe it's even an advantage if they don't know the Jag versions, a lot of the ports were better on their original platform. Just to name a few: syndicate, theme park, worms, myst and others. They are much better on PC for example, because they can be played with a mouse, which is a huge improvement. And syndiate and theme park also offer a much higher speed and better save features in the PC versions.

 

Wolfenstein 3D is also available for many systems and very similar on all systems, except a few versions like the PC version or the SNES version which is a lot worse (graphic wise) than the Jag version.

 

Regards, Lars.

[Brian R.]

Jaguar really was depressing. I wanted that system to amount to something, but ... it just didn't. I never even ended up buying one.  

 

What? Says he wanted the system to amount to something, but never bought one? Excuse me? Moron.

[Htbaa]

SCREW THEM!  

 

THEY NEVER HAD A JAGUAR!    

IT IS STILL THE BEST SYSTEM! AND IT ISNT DEAD EITHER!  

 

WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!      

 

THEY HAVENT SEEN OR PLAYED GAMES LIKE WOLFENSTEIN3D, BATTLESPHERE GOLD OR OTHER GRAPHICAL TALENT GAME!    

 

TALKING BAD THINGS ABOUT SYSTEM THAT YOU DONT EVEN OWN!

 

GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....

 

So in your opinion graphics are more important than gameplay?

[Guest]

not really. but have you never noticed that lots of people are laughing the atari jaguar out for being the biggest piece of crap?

 

We could have atleast one game that shows the power of the jaguar in graphics. even my brother called the atari jaguar 16bit graphics.

 

The only thing that impressed me is wolfenstein 3d. But if you look at gameplay. then there are lots of atari jaguar games out there that are fun to play.

 

i just hate it when people think a game console is crap while they even didnt played it. or own it.

[Starcat]

Hi !

 

>even my brother called the atari jaguar 16bit graphics.

 

Actually most Jag graphics ARE 16-Bit. 24-Bit was hardly used.

A lot of in game graphics of the games are even 8-bit color.

 

8-bit sprites on 16-bit background is very common on the Jag.

 

But I don't see anything bad about that. The jag is from 1993. And 16-bit is more than enough for any Jag game.

 

Today the systems are powerful enough and have enough memory to use 24-bit or 32-bit graphics. But a few years ago, like on the DC area or so, 16-Bit was also the most common.

 

Regards, Lars.

[Thunderbird]

Hi !

 

>even my brother called the atari jaguar 16bit graphics.  

 

Actually most Jag graphics ARE 16-Bit. 24-Bit was hardly used.  

A lot of in game graphics of the games are even 8-bit color.    

 

8-bit sprites on 16-bit background is very common on the Jag.

 

But I don't see anything bad about that. The jag is from 1993. And 16-bit is more than enough for any Jag game.  

 

Today the systems are powerful enough and have enough memory to use 24-bit or 32-bit graphics. But a few years ago, like on the DC area or so, 16-Bit was also the most common.

 

Regards, Lars.

 

 

I'm not sure that Dragonforce has been around long enough to know what 8-bit and 16-bit pixels are, so you're just going to confuse him and lead him to think that it means the power of the system. Now he's going to think that the Jag has "8-bitty" type graphics in some games.

[Starcat]

Hi Thunderbird !

 

I think if somebody wants to program the Jag, he should at least know the most common color depths, afterall even the average PC player knows (and I would consider the term "pc player" an insult these days) the difference between 8-bit colour (256 colours), 16-bit colour (65k colours) and 24-bit colour (16.8 million colours).

 

Especially if he even thinks about doing something like GTA on the Jag which would even be hard for an experienced Jag coder that has done more than 2 top games. And an experienced Jag coder probably wouldn't even think about doing a GTA type of game, because he knows how tiny the chance is that something like that gets finished.

 

Just as an example:

If a professional team of 20 people needs one year for a game, a single person needs at least 20 years to do the same thing. (If he is a great at all the things needed for a game, like graphics, sound, code, design etc. Otherwise it might even take longer.)

The GTA team was probably even bigger and definately full of professionals that were great at what they did.

 

Note: This post shouldn't be attacking anybody. So if anybody feels offended, sorry.

 

Regards, Lars.

[atarianer2003]

That's my opinion on this article:

 

[kevincal]

Yeah The Jag section in Atari Age has become quite the war zone these days ala JI2 of old. The funny thing is now I hardly ever see flaming at JI2 and here I see it everyday....