Savetz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The 10-line BASIC contest is back for 2019! In previous years, entrants could submit by posting their entries on the AtariAge forum. The contest organizers are no longer watching the forums — Gunnar told me "I don't post in forums anymore about the contest. It's too difficult and too time consuming to read and discuss in multiple forums. Amstrad, Atari, Commodore, Sinclair,Tandy, Apple, MSX, ... there are too many systems involved to keep all their forums tracked." So, to submit your program, email it to GKANOLD-ät-GMAIL dot COM. The deadline is March 30, 2018, 6:00 pm Central European Time (CET) You are welcome to also post your entries here for Atari folks to see publicly. I'm going to do that! But that doesn't submit your program to the contest, only emailing Gunnar will. The official rules are at http://gkanold.wixsite.com/homeputerium/kopie-von-basic-10liners-2018 (I know, it says 2018 but that's really the URL) You might also want to watch the official Twitter account at https://twitter.com/Basic10L I'm copy-pasting the rules here. Notable new rules: the FREI category is gone; there's a new "public's choice" award. And remember for the PUR-80 category, only factory built-in BASIC variants are allowed. Legal systems: All 8-bit computer systems Authorized BASIC dialects: All line orientated BASIC dialects are allowed with a restriction in the category "PUR-80" Since the jurors can not have the original hardware of all approved systems available, the system must be emulatable. The authors provide a recommendation for an emulator and briefly describe how to start the game. Since there were no posts in the category "FREI" last year, this category will be canceled. The known other three categories remain unchanged from the previous year. Category "PUR-80": Program a game in 10 lines (max 80 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed). Attention: In this category only factory built-in BASIC variants are allowed Category "PUR-120": Program a game in 10 lines (max 120 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed) Category "EXTREME-256": Program a game in 10 lines (max 256 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed) Further rules for the three aforementioned categories: 1. Loading of data or program parts from mass storage is not allowed 2. The 10 lines must not contain any machine programs 3. All code must be visible in the listing: self-modifying code or hidden initializations are not allowed 4. Allowed are POKEs in storage locations 5. Deadline: Saturday, March 30, 2018, 6:00 pm CET 6. Award ceremony: Saturday, April 13, 2018 at the NOMAM in Lübeck 7a. Voting by a panel of experts 7b. "Public's Choice" special award. Give hearts to your favorites on BASIC 10Liners twitter account @Basic10L 8. Together with the program, a text file with the program description and instructions should be submitted, including a short description of the start via emulator 9. For program descriptions and code explanations there can be up to 0.5 bonus points in the rating 10. The programmers agree to a publication of the programs, the descriptions and the instructions by the organizer 11. Send to GKANOLD-ät-GMAIL dot COM, receive a confirmation per E-Mail or in the 10Liner Forum Last year some programs were submitted that weren't games. We would be happy to see again so many nice contributions, even if they aren't games, or if they have more than 10 lines of code, or if they are not compliant to the rules. They are grouped in category "WILD". I am not involved with the contest other than a participant. -Kevin 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Name: Floody Bot Category: Extreme 256 Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182441353467/floody-bot-basic-tenliners-contest-2019-entry floodybot.atr floodybot.txt 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) For the Atari 800 there were three official factory basics, Atari Basic, Atari Microsoft Basic (1), and Atari Microsoft Basic (II). I think it's sad we get hobbled by the built in basic rule as that didn't happen for years later... all the while other machines got basic upgrades on proms like the TRS machines.... sigh... prom on a cart or prom on the board, shouldn't make a difference! Just so long as it was an official FACTORY from the Computers Manufacturer BASIC! Edited January 31, 2019 by _The Doctor__ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Feel pity for the TI-99/4A users, as the built in BASIC only supports one statement per row IIRC. They're more or less eliminated from the PUR-80 category. I believe the same goes for e.g. the ZX-81. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 For the Atari 800 there were three official factory basics, Atari Basic, Atari Microsoft Basic (1), and Atari Microsoft Basic (II). I think it's sad we get hobbled by the built in basic rule as that didn't happen for years later... all the while other machines got basic upgrades on proms like the TRS machines.... sigh... prom on a cart or prom on the board, shouldn't make a difference! Just so long as it was an official FACTORY from the Computers Manufacturer BASIC! I'd pity the C64 guys more than us, their built-in BASIC needs POKEs for all graphics. As I always say, Atari building BASIC XL into XLs or XEs would have rocked, but they must have been on the "it must be cheaper to compete with the C64" track already when the 600/800XL came out so they probably didn't want to pay for license fees. I'd only consider PROMs legitimate if any machines were actually delivered with them. But let's not take it too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Name: Floody Bot Category: Extreme 256 Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182441353467/floody-bot-basic-tenliners-contest-2019-entry It's a great game! And I'm glad that you are back in the contest... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The 10-line BASIC contest is back for 2019! Legal systems: All 8-bit computer systems Authorized BASIC dialects: All line orientated BASIC dialects are allowed with a restriction in the category "PUR-80" Oooops! "line oriented"? dmsc's FastBasic is not line oriented... it lacks of line numbers!!! I already have an entry for the contest in that dialect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devwebcl Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Feel pity for the TI-99/4A users, as the built in BASIC only supports one statement per row IIRC. They're more or less eliminated from the PUR-80 category. I believe the same goes for e.g. the ZX-81. I agree that those built-in basic are nor fair against other versions, however, built-in Atari Basic C revision is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Oooops! "line oriented"? dmsc's FastBasic is not line oriented... it lacks of line numbers!!! I already have an entry for the contest in that dialect. Line oriented does not say it needs line numbers... But it has to be line oriented because otherwise one cannot count 10 lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Line oriented does not say it needs line numbers... But it has to be line oriented because otherwise one cannot count 10 lines. Phew!!! I'll write the docs of my game and then I'll submit it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 For the Atari 800 there were three official factory basics, Atari Basic, Atari Microsoft Basic (1), and Atari Microsoft Basic (II). I think it's sad we get hobbled by the built in basic rule as that didn't happen for years later... all the while other machines got basic upgrades on proms like the TRS machines.... sigh... prom on a cart or prom on the board, shouldn't make a difference! Just so long as it was an official FACTORY from the Computers Manufacturer BASIC! Of course, there are different opinions. My goal is to integrate as many 8-bit computers as possible. I find it interesting to have a category where you have to get along with the on-board resources that the machine was delivered with. Those who disagree can focus on the other two categories. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Name: Poke Pig Category: PUR-120 Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182455099697/poke-pig-basic-tenliners-contest-2019-entry pokepig.atr pokepig.txt 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Anyone who supports Gunnar's Patreon for $2/month gets instant access to all contest entries and statistics like personal votes of the judges. For $5/month, you can also serve as a judge. (I'm supporting at the $2 level. It doesn't seem fair to enter the contest and also judge it.) https://www.patreon.com/BASIC10Liner/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Of course, there are different opinions. My goal is to integrate as many 8-bit computers as possible. I find it interesting to have a category where you have to get along with the on-board resources that the machine was delivered with. Those who disagree can focus on the other two categories. I suppose 90% of users never used anything but the built-in BASIC back in the 80s, so I think it's OK to have a category that is limited in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Of course, there are different opinions. My goal is to integrate as many 8-bit computers as possible. I find it interesting to have a category where you have to get along with the on-board resources that the machine was delivered with. Those who disagree can focus on the other two categories. my Atari 800 came delivered with both Basic Cartridges at the time, they sent AMS II Basic to me when that was ready as well, all 3 were official. They weren't third party. The were made specifically for Atari, produced and delivered by Atari, is all I'm saying. Go back the first magazines and you will see the listing are almost all for Atari Microsoft Basic. Factory options. Same goes for the TRS machines the os and basic were official offerings, though not always as handy as a cartridge, not third party. It's a simple point of fact. Edited February 1, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I know this is not a support forum, but for those of you who have entered before I would like clarification on these three points: 2. The 10 lines must not contain any machine programs Does that include SYS/CALL/whatever to the built-in ROMs, or just that one can't install your own machine code routines? 3. All code must be visible in the listing: self-modifying code or hidden initializations are not allowed If BASIC automatically zeroes all variables on RUN, does that count as hidden initializations so all variables need to be manually reset? 4. Allowed are POKEs in storage locations Does system variables, video RAM, I/O addresses count as storage? I see from Savetz example that he got several POKEs into low memory, so I suppose all those are fine which in the other hand makes me wonder which type of POKEs would not be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I know this is not a support forum, but for those of you who have entered before I would like clarification on these three points: 2. The 10 lines must not contain any machine programs Does that include SYS/CALL/whatever to the built-in ROMs, or just that one can't install your own machine code routines? 3. All code must be visible in the listing: self-modifying code or hidden initializations are not allowed If BASIC automatically zeroes all variables on RUN, does that count as hidden initializations so all variables need to be manually reset? 4. Allowed are POKEs in storage locations Does system variables, video RAM, I/O addresses count as storage? I see from Savetz example that he got several POKEs into low memory, so I suppose all those are fine which in the other hand makes me wonder which type of POKEs would not be allowed. 2. In the case of Atari, that used to be to avoid the use of the USR function (or a DOS statement with a DOSVEC pointer changed), but it currently means that you cannot call custom machine language routines. That is because there are systems that the only way to call OS built-in graphics/sound routines is with such a statement from BASIC and that could be fine. Trivia: there was a game that was classified as WILD because it made a custom M/L routine by some copy&paste of OS M/L segments into RAM and used it. 3. Auto reset variables on RUN or DIM are OK. This only means that you cannot add data (images, charsets, array data, etc) appended to the loading BASIC file (outside the visible 10 lines of BASIC code). That technique was used on systems like Sinclair. 4. From 2018 rules: 4. Allowed are POKEs in storage locations (for example, changing the DL, PM graphics, sprites) If the examples were removed from the rule, I guess that it was because many systems do not have a DL, P/M graphics or sprites, but I think that the idea remains, so the answer should be yes, you could POKE to color shadow registers and such... If not, I quit!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Thanks for the reply. I'm having an entry underway (not Atari though) and believe it should adhere to the rules. I'll see if I can fine tune it a bit, as it currently reminds me more about a crap game than something one would want to play again but it was an interesting challenge to fit in PUR-80, in particular as I tried to keep the source as US ASCII (no control codes or printed graphic symbols, though I know those are allowed). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Sorry vitoco, this sat on my desk while you answered and I didn't reload before posting. 2. The 10 lines must not contain any machine programs Does that include SYS/CALL/whatever to the built-in ROMs, or just that one can't install your own machine code routines? The BASIC listing may not contain any machine language, but there's no restriction against USR/SYS calls in the rules. That means you can't use DLI/VBI 3. All code must be visible in the listing: self-modifying code or hidden initializations are not allowed If BASIC automatically zeroes all variables on RUN, does that count as hidden initializations so all variables need to be manually reset? If BASIC initializes all variables I wouldn't consider that hidden but system behavior. 4. Allowed are POKEs in storage locations Does system variables, video RAM, I/O addresses count as storage? I see from Savetz example that he got several POKEs into low memory, so I suppose all those are fine which in the other hand makes me wonder which type of POKEs would not be allowed. While the German word used in the rules translates to "storage", it is acceptable to use it in a more generic way referring to "addresses", which I assume is meant here. As you can't get any graphics at all without POKEs to registers on a C64, prohibiting them would give all Computers with graphics commands in their standard BASIC an unfair advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Name: MINILIFE Category: PUR-120 Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182487171377/minilife-basic-tenliners-contest-2019-entry minilife.atr minilife.txt 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 Name: Mini Character Editor Category: WILD (because it's not a game. But really PUR-120) Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182529248882/mini-character-editor-basic-tenliners-contest chared.atr chared.txt 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Name: Bouncy Category: PUR-120 Description: https://atariaction.tumblr.com/post/182566256542/bouncy-basic-tenliners-contest-2019-entry bouncy.atr bouncy.txt 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I kind of like bouncy... nice idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Mini BrosCategory: EXTREM-256Language: FastBasic 3.4Description: http://www.vitoco.cl/atari/10liner/MINIBROS/https://youtu.be/CmpBZrfk1w8 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Incredibile Victor! What editor do you use to code? In your FastBasic code I see Atari special characters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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