Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

[m-crew]

@Segasnatcher you have voiced your opinions over and over like a broken record 

Time to move on and let things take their coarse.  

 

Its getting annoying and ruining a good  thing and thread. 

 

 

 

Rock on 🤘🏻 

 

 

[SegaSnatcher]

17 minutes ago, Alpha82 said:

That’s not how it worked you see the trend over the last 5 years board game sells have improved 40% year over year. What are some other things we know about entertainment in the home well we know that the console gaming crowd hovers around 200 million year over year so the amount of drop off to getting into gaming is roughly the same. We know that with one outlier in GTA all the top selling games are E to E10 plus.  We know when video games started everyone played I have tons of memories playing with my dad my mom loved Tetris on NES.  So why did families stop playing video games together well controllers got more and more complex games become for the most part more and more single player massive experience focused so over time families had to find a different activity to do together maybe it was outdoors activity but if could also explain the board games increase. Now the question becomes and these would be answered by market research and history would people forcing on board games now as well as casual mobile players be interested in a machine that focuses at least partially on video games they could play with family.  Well the Wii sold 103 million units that would go in the it’s possible group.  It’s true mobile wasn’t as big then but does that mean everyone on mobile is not going to look at options that would allow them to play with family and friends together?  Will the Amico be successful in getting a chunk of those 3billion mobile players to play their system right now is unknown but that success is going to come down to games marketing and play experience but given the team Intellivision has assembled I’d lean more towards success than failure.

If we are talking $60 game purchases then don't forget RDR2 and Call of Duty franchise.  Both of those sold incredibly well too. 

Its pretty obvious why families stopped playing together in a big way and that is thanks to the internet.  Why play with your Mom or Dad who likely suck at video games when you can compete with your friends online who know what they are doing?  Tommy acts like playing with your family is objectively superior than playing online with your buddies.  I'm not saying the latter is objectively superior, but clearly its the most popular.  Kids/Teens today aren't exactly yearning to play video games with their "lame" parents.  Also, nobody brings up the fact that back in the 80's/90's you would be lucky to have more than one TV in the house, now its not uncommon for almost every bedroom to have its own TV.  Most kids these days are no longer forced to have to wait until Dad is done watching his football game to play video games, after they get home from school they go straight to their bedrooms and play whatever online multiplayer game is popular at the time.

Edited June 25, 2019 by SegaSnatcher

[SegaSnatcher]

13 minutes ago, m-crew said:

@Segasnatcher you have voiced your opinions over and over like a broken record 

Time to move on and let things take their coarse.  

 

Its getting annoying and ruining a good  thing and thread. 

 

 

 

Rock on 🤘🏻 

 

 

That sounds like a you problem.  I'm having reasonable conversations with people here about this project.  If you don't like my comments then simply ignore them, not that hard.  

[hoserama99]

26 minutes ago, Abzeronow said:

Yeah, but places on social media that I go through, there is often concerns about whether a multiplayer game has couch co-op, and I've seen laments about games having the only multiplayer option be online-only that couch still matters to a surprising amount of people.  So I wouldn't be surprised if Intellivision's market research would have data backing that up. 

Couch coop for something like Catan is problematic, as each player has "hidden information" that you don't want shown on the TV. The same thing holds for several other board/card games. Catan, Scrabble, Ticket to Ride, Lost Cities and so on: all these types of board games have existed since time immemorial on other consoles (and the PC). The Xbox 360 had them, for example, and they never set the world on fire although they did have their dedicated followings.

 

Now if the Amico has player-specific screens on each controller (like, say, the WiiU), then it does add a new twist. It also opens up new problems: you'll need a way to upload a game-specific client app to each handheld (maybe using WiFi like a modern phone), you need good battery time, and you likely need more than 2 controllers, particularly for family play. Maybe there will be Amico apps for iOS and Android to allow those to be used as additional handsets. Maybe additional handsets will be cheap. Who knows!

 

[hoserama99]

19 minutes ago, Alpha82 said:

Yes Switch has couch Co-op play but the Switch isn’t marketed to casual players it’s mar is for Nintendo fans which is a big difference.

The Switch (and everything Nintendo does in general) is *absolutely* marketed to casual players!

[m-crew]

Just now, SegaSnatcher said:

That sounds like a you problem.  I'm having reasonable conversations with people here about this project.  If you don't like my comments then simply ignore them, not that hard.  

Are you sure you are having a reasonable conversation?

As I see it it’s your problem for being unreasonable and no facts backing your opinions.  

 

Provide data and facts with those opinions. 

 

BTW 

have you been involved in any way in the gaming industry.  

What are your credentials? 

Or is it just your personal opinions 

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Just now, hoserama99 said:

The Switch (and everything Nintendo does in general) is *absolutely* marketed to casual players!

Yeah I don't get this notion that Switch is just geared towards core gamers. Plenty of games that anyone can pick up and play.
 

 

[hoserama99]

12 minutes ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Its pretty obvious why families stopped playing together in a big way and that is thanks to the internet.  Why play with your Mom or Dad who likely suck at video games when you can compete with your friends online who know what they are doing?  Tommy acts like playing with your family is objectively superior than playing online with your buddies.  I'm not saying the latter is objectively superior, but clearly its the most popular.  Kids/Teens today aren't exactly yearning to play video games with their "lame" parents.  Also, nobody brings up the fact that back in the 80's/90's you would be lucky to have more than one TV in the house, now its not uncommon for almost every bedroom to have its own TV.  Most kids these days are no longer forced to have to wait until Dad is done watching his football game to play video games, after they get home from school they go straight to their bedrooms and play whatever online multiplayer game is popular at the time.

This rings true to me. Parents are no doubt very happy to want to game on the couch with their kids. Kids? Not so much. My daughter has limited patience for these things. LEGO coop games are OK, but she's happier doing her own thing than with us there.

[Alpha82]

5 minutes ago, hoserama99 said:

The Switch (and everything Nintendo does in general) is *absolutely* marketed to casual players!

Nintendo may be the most casual of the big 3 consoles I will give you that but it’s marketing is for its well known franchises like Zelda, Mario,Metroid and the like which people who don’t console game would not care about. Every system has casual games on them but they aren’t marketed to be sold for those experiences

[adam1977]

25 minutes ago, m-crew said:

@Segasnatcher you have voiced your opinions over and over like a broken record 

Time to move on and let things take their coarse.  

 

Its getting annoying and ruining a good  thing and thread. 

 

 

 

Rock on 🤘🏻 

 

 

😂😂

 

[SegaSnatcher]

1 minute ago, m-crew said:

Are you sure you are having a reasonable conversation?

As I see it it’s your problem for being unreasonable and no facts backing your opinions.  

 

Provide data and facts with those opinions. 

 

BTW 

have you been involved in any way in the gaming industry.  

What are your credentials? 

Or is it just your personal opinions 

 

I never said I was an expert and that I know more than anyone else here. I'm simply going by my own experiences and what research I've done. I do my best to stay in touch with the current trends of gaming. I try and investigate what devices people like to pay video games on, why they do and what type of content they tend to buy/download on said platform. 

[m-crew]

Just now, adam1977 said:

😂😂

 

👍🏻😂🍻

[SegaSnatcher]

7 minutes ago, hoserama99 said:

This rings true to me. Parents are no doubt very happy to want to game on the couch with their kids. Kids? Not so much. My daughter has limited patience for these things. LEGO coop games are OK, but she's happier doing her own thing than with us there.

My point exactly.  I personally don't think its a horrible thing that kids would prefer to play by themselves or with their friends online.  That is just what is popular these days.

[Alpha82]

6 minutes ago, SegaSnatcher said:

Yeah I don't get this notion that Switch is just geared towards core gamers. Plenty of games that anyone can pick up and play.
 

 

We have to keep in mind the focus of the companies involved does Switch include couch co-op yes it does. But Nintendo is a billionaire company because of the Nintendo fans who have grown with them so that main focus is on the projects those fans will enjoy. They don’t focus on games for grandma and grandkids, to play together and all have fun which is the focus of Intellivision to create a system that is easy to use where friends can play together and have fun no matter the make up of the group playing which is not any other video game companies focus 

[m-crew]

2 minutes ago, SegaSnatcher said:

I never said I was an expert and that I know more than anyone else here. I'm simply going by my own experiences and what research I've done. I do my best to stay in touch with the current trends of gaming. I try and investigate what devices people like to pay video games on, why they do and what type of content they tend to buy/download on said platform. 

So are you saying your research and experience have more clout then the team Tommy has put together??

 

Get real and move on.  

 

I will not feed you any more.  

 

[Alpha82]

2 minutes ago, SegaSnatcher said:

My point exactly.  I personally don't think its a horrible thing that kids would prefer to play by themselves or with their friends online.  That is just what is popular these days.

But does that preclude that person enjoying playing games on the same room with that same friend?  The two don’t have to be exclusive 

[hoserama99]

8 minutes ago, Alpha82 said:

Nintendo may be the most casual of the big 3 consoles I will give you that but it’s marketing is for its well known franchises like Zelda, Mario,Metroid and the like which people who don’t console game would not care about. Every system has casual games on them but they aren’t marketed to be sold for those experiences

Nintendo heavily marketed Splatoon as a casual shooter experience with no other IP tie-ins. It has become a franchise out of thin air in just a few years. Animal Crossing is crazy casual and always gets a big marketing push.

[MonsterSky]

9 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said:

You know you can do that right now and it will be cheaper than Amico.  

 Tron deadly discs also?

[the antithesis]

5 minutes ago, m-crew said:

So are you saying your research and experience have more clout then the team Tommy has put together??

 

Not more clout. Just less bias.

[SegaSnatcher]

 

Just now, m-crew said:

So are you saying your research and experience have more clout then the team Tommy has put together??

 

Get real and move on.  

 

I will not feed you any more.  

 

Did I say that, no, so stop putting words in my mouth. 

Having said that do you automatically assume Tommy is an expert in selling consoles because he made video game music back in the 90s? Its one thing to write some kick ass music for a game and another to release a home console. 

Shoot with all the success Nintendo has had through the years they still released plenty of flops, just look at the Wii U and Virtual Boy.  

[Alpha82]

1 minute ago, hoserama99 said:

Nintendo heavily marketed Splatoon as a casual shooter experience with no other IP tie-ins. It has become a franchise out of thin air in just a few years. Animal Crossing is crazy casual and always gets a big marketing push.

I didn’t say they had none in fact I said they had the most out of the big 3 but when Nintendo of America was telling Nintendo Japan make more games like Wii Sports because our system is selling to nursing homes for tournaments and they want more options the response was it’s not what we really do 

[m-crew]

Just now, the antithesis said:

Not more clout. Just less bias.

Less Bias really with no data and facts supporting opinions mean nothing. 

With no credentials in the gaming industry.  

 

Its all all personal opinions period. 

 

Not less bias 

 

 

[popsicle]

Like most others here, I am terribly excited about the Amico!

 

As a 25 year teacher and parent of four (<---look I get to have an opinion), I'll echo that any gaming device whose primary focus is couch co-op is not only welcome, but needed. We indeed are in a board game renaissance, and I'm looking forward to seeing these digital implementations and party-type games just as much as the re-imagined classics.

 

Tommy, it's clear you have the same nostalgia for the Intellivision as most others who frequent this board, and want to get this right. Your passion is infectious and I give you credit for responding to the naysayers here with *just* the right amount of patience.

 

Eagerly watching for each update

  

[m-crew]

18 minutes ago, adam1977 said:

😂😂

 

 

[Alpha82]

1 minute ago, SegaSnatcher said:

 

Did I say that, no, so stop putting words in my mouth. 

Having said that do you automatically assume Tommy is an expert in selling consoles because he made video game music back in the 90s? Its one thing to write some kick ass music for a game and another to release a home console. 

Shoot with all the success Nintendo has had through the years they still released plenty of flops, just look at the Wii U and Virtual Boy.  

Except it’s not just Tommy it’s a group of people with over 600 years of experience in the gaming industry from audio specialist,to games developers, to marketing, and I’m sure disciplines I’m forgetting Tommy I’d just the one relaying the information to the public.