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40 minutes ago, Ez G said:

@relic gamer. No, the amico is having some form of crowd funding. Their are youtubers on record saying that they gave investment dollars to the amico. Not preorder dollars but investment dollars.

 

39 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said:

You seem insistent on trying to set the terms of the conversations here.  That's not how discussion forums work.  You cannot come to an open forum like this one for the purpose of talking to specific individual(s) and then dictate how everyone else is permitted to respond to you.  Please re-read our community guidelines, which you agreed to abide by when you signed up as a member here, and please refrain from attempting to dominate the discussions.

Ez G = always right; everyone here = always wrong 🤣

 

BTW, not that it will make any difference to your intricately constructed world view concerning the Amico whereby you are apparently an authority on everything, but the reason Tommy keeps mentioning Nintendo, despite that he is not competing with it, is that everyone keeps saying to him the Switch makes the Amico redundant, so he tries to honestly explain why it is not redundant. People also say smart phones make it redundant, so he brings up Smart phones a lot. Are you going to say Tommy is bashing on smart phones or do you just have a biased attachment to Nintendo?

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39 minutes ago, Ez G said:

@relic gamer. No, the amico is having some form of crowd funding. Their are youtubers on record saying that they gave investment dollars to the amico. Not preorder dollars but investment dollars.

Thats not crowdfunding then.thats investment . Fig is anm investment platform.   

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Ez G reminds me soooo much of Sega Snatcher in the Collectorvision forum and early Amico forum right now where nothing but complete agreement with everything he says will do and he will keep repeating it ad naseum, despite how much logic is thrown at him. I'm just being honest about what we have here ... is a failure to communicate.

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5 minutes ago, Swami said:

Ez G reminds me soooo much of Sega Snatcher in the Collectorvision forum and early Amico forum right now where nothing but complete agreement with everything he says will do and he will keep repeating it ad naseum, despite how much logic is thrown at him. I'm just being honest about what we have here ... is a failure to communicate.

Duct tape fixes many things, but it cannot fix stupid; but, if strategically utilized, it can silence it. 😬
 

Just say’n

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9 minutes ago, Nolagamer said:

Thats not crowdfunding then.thats investment . Fig is anm investment platform.   

Dont bother using logic and facts backed by evidence.  This its ringaround the rosie  pocket full to posie dudes totally just messing with people.  

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Hmmmm......are we going to talk about games anymore or are we done ? These last few pages are getting so off topic that the MOST of us are here for. (Ongoing discussion about the same things said in different ways over and over again). We are mostly here to share our passion and excitement for the Amico. I get that some people will disagree and raise concerns etc but this is getting a bit ridiculous and the latest conversation is not balanced as far as why MOST of us are here. In my opinion of course😀 

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Yes, I think we're about ready to get back on topic.  Perhaps it was useful to address those topics again, not because the person who brought them up (repeatedly) was receptive to our answers at all, but because others might have the same questions and might have found the answers enlightening.  But, having done that, I'm all for moving on.

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4 minutes ago, Cranker said:

Hmmmm......are we going to talk about games anymore or are we done ? These last few pages are getting so off topic that the MOST of us are here for. (Ongoing discussion about the same things said in different ways over and over again). We are mostly here to share our passion and excitement for the Amico. I get that some people will disagree and raise concerns etc but this is getting a bit ridiculous and the latest conversation is not balanced as far as why MOST of us are here. In my opinion of course😀 

I would like to start with. Amicos new original titles. Love to get thoughts and  expectations from everyone and any added hints? 

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5 minutes ago, Relicgamer said:

I would like to start with. Amicos new original titles. Love to get thoughts and  expectations from everyone and any added hints? 

I've actually been interested in this for some time. I wonder if Vertebreaker will show up. I think Tommy mentioned that he was going to reach out to the devs. Would be nice to see the game get un-cancelled.

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45 minutes ago, Relicgamer said:

I would like to start with. Amicos new original titles. Love to get thoughts and  expectations from everyone and any added hints? 

I would love to hear more as well. My expectations are quite high for some new experiences with the focus on  couch coop taken to the next level built from the ground up using all the bells and whistles that  the Amico controller has to offer. That being said, I love what I  have seen so far being done with reimagined games , dice games, sports  etc ....! It all looks amazing and fun to me and each game will be original and unique with coop , VS etc added to each and every Amico game. I have very high hopes for original IP’s like the “ice cream game” I am eagerly awaiting new information, demos etc 😀

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10 hours ago, Ez G said:

@juice @relic gamer. If you take money from the general public. That is crowd funding. You can change the verbiage to investing. It is the same thing. For @bigdaddygamestudio the reason why Tommy is still taking money even thou development is done because he needs to raise money for future games.

 

Remember, potential game developers will have their games funded by Tommy. Where are those funds coming from????

 

Crowdfunding and investing are not interchangeable verbiage.  The one is not a synonym of the other. 

 

Crowdfunding is not when "you take money from the general public".  A lemonade stand takes money from the general public.  A pickpocket takes money from the general public.  Hardly the same, not really interchangeable.  Crowdfunding is a broadly defined term to simply mean securing capital (money) from a larger pool of people (the crowd).  It is meant to differentiate it as an alternative from traditional forms a company raises capital, including investments, equity funding (sometimes broadened to equity crowdfunding when the barrier to investment is lowered.. perhaps $1000 increments, or, like fig.co, $250 increments, rather than a more rigid, traditional $10,000 or $25,000 minimum for larger venture funding endeavors. 

 

When you say crowdfunding @Ez G, we're taking you at the presumed layman's terms that you're using the term like everyone else is using the term - a platform for raising small amounts of money from a large number of people to secure funding for a project.  Kickstarter.  Indiegogo.  Patreon.  GoFundMe.  Fundable.  These have you fund a company, an individual, an artist, to create or finish creating a project they otherwise do not have access to.  They typically have small rewards to backers for meeting different goal tiers - small extras they can do to encourage higher donations or funding, not typically on par with the value of the increments pledged.  Most of the discussion around Amico & crowdfunding is some flavor of this understanding of crowdfunding, how it's now "no different than Atari VCS or Ouya, that Intellivision's gone back on its point of saying how it's not crowdfunded". 

 

What are people doing on fig.co?  They're either placing a pre-order (a set deposit amount toward the purchase of a product), refundable, through an SEC regulated medium; or, they're investing in the company with a projected rate of return on said investment.  Intellivision isn't "collecting money" to build their project.  They're opening up their business to a class of investors who don't require independent pitch meetings and funding rounds.  Fig is securing the investment and payout structure of the company, Intellivision will be making payments to Fig from presumed revenue and profits, and Fig in turn will make payments to those investors at a later date, the rate of return will fluctuate depending on how successful the product is.  There is risk involved.  There is a high return of reward if Intellivision is successful, and the payout model will fluctuate depending on Intellivision's current equity, current funding through venture capitalists, loans, grants and other streams of capital, including pre-orders, including merchandise.

 

That is an investment.  It's an expected return.  It's an expected profit for the individual investors putting their funds through Fig.

 

Compare that to Atari's campaign on Indiegogo for the VCS, or Kickstarters to finish compiling reviews of the NES or SNES games library for a guidebook.. there are no returns on that investment, and if you don't meet its minimum goal, that money is not awarded to your project.  There is no scrutiny of Carol's cashflow and total equity when she puts up a GoFundMe for her church group visit to Uganda.  That's all just crowdfunding, in the term we all [everybody, not just people on this forum] know and use it. 


Amico is pulling money from early pre-orders (it said it would in that very first press release in May 2018), and it's offering an investment option for interested parties who aren't flying down to Irvine to attend a pitch meeting among fellow venture capitalists and wealthy angel investors looking to drop 6-7 figures on a fun little corner of their portfolio like starter video game manufacturers.  To misconstrue these really normative avenues of investment and commercial pre-order of a product as some alternative funding source like aforementioned crowdfunding sites doesn't make it through any of the definitions of crowdfunding out there.  Google has 25,000,000+ results on "crowdfunding vs investments", articles by every major business and investing magazine and trade publication - so there's certainly some question out there amongst the public.  But also a very clear answer as to the differences between the two.

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4 minutes ago, RetroAdvisoryBoard said:

Crowdfunding is not when "you take money from the general public".  A lemonade stand takes money from the general public.  A pickpocket takes money from the general public.  Hardly the same, not really interchangeable.

You know what else takes money from the general public? Taxes.

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It's been a day or two since this was mentioned here, so I won't bring up a zombie quote. However I just have to say something about the use of newly popular terms (or re-popularized age old terms). I'm not attempting to derail the conversation, just an aside I need to mention.

 

The term 'Gaslighting' has gained a new popularity in the last few years. Most people in the RedditWorld and Twittersphere aren't using it in the proper context, can barely grasp the concept of it, and are merely making it one more rhetorical cudgel for their own personal victimhood angst.

 

That's all! 

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37 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

It's been a day or two since this was mentioned here, so I won't bring up a zombie quote. However I just have to say something about the use of newly popular terms (or re-popularized age old terms). I'm not attempting to derail the conversation, just an aside I need to mention.

 

The term 'Gaslighting' has gained a new popularity in the last few years. Most people in the RedditWorld and Twittersphere aren't using it in the proper context, can barely grasp the concept of it, and are merely making it one more rhetorical cudgel for their own personal victimhood angst.

 

That's all! 

Language does evolve over time, specially with the internet, it is more rapid and terms change their meaning in months or even days. Atleast what the internet in general uses them for, you can argue that is not the definition in the dictionary but it is sorta pointless, this is why the urban dictionary website even exists.

It is hard to keep up with and I'm not ashamed to say I have had to reference the urban dictionary more then once

 

Definition from Google: Gaslighting is a form of manipulation in which a person or a group, covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group.

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1 minute ago, Dorkalicious said:

Language does evolve over time, specially with the internet, it is more rapid and terms change their meaning in months or even days. Atleast what the internet in general uses them for, you can argue that is not the definition in the dictionary but it is sorta pointless, this is why the urban dictionary website even exists.

It is hard to keep up with and I'm not ashamed to say I have had to reference the urban dictionary more then once

That is the most ridiculous, self serving rationalization for language butchery I've ever read. 

I am amazed you think I'm that stupid.

 

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4 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

That is the most ridiculous, self serving rationalization for language butchery I've ever read. 

I am amazed you think I'm that stupid.

 

I don't think you are anything, I don't even know who you are.

 

Language is ever evolving

 

1 minute ago, Loafer said:

I dunno I can appreciate that definition with the word “covertly”

definitely applies here

 

/s

I googled the definition...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

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1 minute ago, Dorkalicious said:

I don't think you are anything, I don't even know who you are.

 

Language is ever evolving

You don't get to decide how it evolves.

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3 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

You don't get to decide how it evolves.

Of course not. 

Society as a whole does.

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15 minutes ago, Dorkalicious said:

Of course not. 

Society as a whole does.

And? 
‘Rock’ has evolved to double meanings. Both the planetary elements and the music genre.

’Gay’ has evolved.

 

’Gaslighting’ hasnt.

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6 hours ago, Cranker said:

Hmmmm......are we going to talk about games anymore or are we done ? These last few pages are getting so off topic that the MOST of us are here for. (Ongoing discussion about the same things said in different ways over and over again). We are mostly here to share our passion and excitement for the Amico. I get that some people will disagree and raise concerns etc but this is getting a bit ridiculous and the latest conversation is not balanced as far as why MOST of us are here. In my opinion of course😀 

You just posted this and didnt even talk about the games.😄

Just pointing out and agreeing that's how far off topic it has become here.

Sorry,back to the games!👍

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I'm sure it's come up previously, but was there discussion about seasonal releases? The initial launch date of 10/10 would have been perfect timing for a Haunted House game.

Perhaps a seasonal mini game or two on the app? Just a random thought that hit me on a walk through the woods this morning.

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