+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, wfletcher3 said: So I did some research and someone is going to have to do some real work to get this straightened out. According to the wiring schematics I found for ranger and atari paddles... They're not close. If the Ranger paddles work on a real Atari console (and all my research say that they do), then the pinouts can't be an issue. They must be the same, otherwise they wouldn't work at all. I really need to get a Ranger controller, but they're all $40+ here, and I'm waiting until they go on sale or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: The 2600-daptor definitely works on a computer. I have one and it does. Are you sure you got the switches on the daptor right? The 2600-daptor was also designed partly with Stella in mind. I've been in contact over the years with its developer, and we (try to) make sure that the process is as plug-and-play as possible. There is no need to set anything in your OS or Stella for a 2600-daptor to work. Stella automatically 'sees' when such a device is plugged in, and acts accordingly. There are only a few possible issues I can see: The 2600-daptor you have is broken. Stella has some sort of bug in its 2600-daptor handling (but that hasn't been reported elsewhere). The DIP switches on the 2600-daptor are not set for the correct controller type. The paddle game you're trying to play isn't recognized by Stella as actually using paddles (this requires the game to be configured properly). I suggest posting the ROM here, and also trying all this in Stella on the PC. Let's try to remove the R77 and the specific ROM from the equation. If you can't get it to work on desktop Stella (in Windows), then that's a problem right off the bat, and we should address that first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just wanted to say that I find this topic super helpful! Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redjac Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Thanks for testing. I wonder why the Atari paddles do not work via 2600-daptor. IIRC this has been reported to work. Can you try to use them from your computer using Stella? 2600-dapter working perfectly for me, even before using your Option 1 fix above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, stephena said: The 2600-daptor was also designed partly with Stella in mind. I've been in contact over the years with its developer, and we (try to) make sure that the process is as plug-and-play as possible. There is no need to set anything in your OS or Stella for a 2600-daptor to work. Stella automatically 'sees' when such a device is plugged in, and acts accordingly. There are only a few possible issues I can see: The 2600-daptor you have is broken. Stella has some sort of bug in its 2600-daptor handling (but that hasn't been reported elsewhere). The DIP switches on the 2600-daptor are not set for the correct controller type. The paddle game you're trying to play isn't recognized by Stella as actually using paddles (this requires the game to be configured properly). I suggest posting the ROM here, and also trying all this in Stella on the PC. Let's try to remove the R77 and the specific ROM from the equation. If you can't get it to work on desktop Stella (in Windows), then that's a problem right off the bat, and we should address that first. So I tried exactly same steps on PC and it did not work (that is no paddle control on neither kaboom nor breakout to name just 2 games I tried). I have attached those files. As a note I first tried just a straight config ( no changes) on all tests. My second test was going into advanced/game properties/controllers and changed it from auto detect to atari paddles with no change in paddles NOT working. I am using the same ROMs on both win10 and retron77. When changing wires to different ports or different controllers or after changing/saving settings. The stella ver 6.2.1 on win10 was shut down wires changed and then restarted. Windows found the 2600-dapter and is working fine Reset to default did nothing and cali8brate only did verticle axis ('z' axis - up and down) and would not calibrate horizontal left to right). I really can't thank everyone enough for all of this help and getting this straight. According to the guy at BEST atari parts whom I called and verified yesterday all switches on the 2nd Gen S5 super POTs C0-10464-s5 all switches are supposed to be up for both atari and ranger paddles. Verified all switches are up. Don't know what else in game I could configure, as all games tested failed. Again THANK YOU! Really appreciate this. Breakout.bin Kaboom!.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, wfletcher3 said: So I tried exactly same steps on PC and it did not work (that is no paddle control on neither kaboom nor breakout to name just 2 games I tried). I have attached those files. As a note I first tried just a straight config ( no changes) on all tests. My second test was going into advanced/game properties/controllers and changed it from auto detect to atari paddles with no change in paddles NOT working. I am using the same ROMs on both win10 and retron77. When changing wires to different ports or different controllers or after changing/saving settings. The stella ver 6.2.1 on win10 was shut down wires changed and then restarted. Windows found the 2600-dapter and is working fine Reset to default did nothing and cali8brate only did verticle axis ('z' axis - up and down) and would not calibrate horizontal left to right). I really can't thank everyone enough for all of this help and getting this straight. According to the guy at BEST atari parts whom I called and verified yesterday all switches on the 2nd Gen S5 super POTs C0-10464-s5 all switches are supposed to be up for both atari and ranger paddles. Verified all switches are up. Don't know what else in game I could configure, as all games tested failed. Again THANK YOU! Really appreciate this. Breakout.bin 16 kB · 1 download Kaboom!.bin 2 kB · 1 download Sorry about a little confusion above. I bought the dapter 2600 D9 and checked the switch setting for both the atari paddles (POTs listed above) and ranger paddles. All switches are supposed to be up. Also spoke with POTs maker and wires go on same way same way came off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, wfletcher3 said: Sorry about a little confusion above. I bought the dapter 2600 D9 and checked the switch setting for both the atari paddles (POTs listed above) and ranger paddles. All switches are supposed to be up. Also spoke with POTs maker and wires go on same way same way came off. Does that mean you had the switches wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The 2600 D9 adapter supports many various joystick and stuff, but I don't recall seeing any confirmation in the posts above that the adapter was set to "Atari mode" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 WHAT!!! I just tested the Stelladaptor, 2600-daptor, 2600-daptor II and 2600-daptor D9. None of them are working in the latest Stella. So this is a more widespread problem. They worked in Stella 5, so it's something introduced in Stella 6. Now I just need to track down the latest release where these worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Issue created at https://github.com/stella-emu/stella/issues/685. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Relax. They work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Let's remove Stella from the equation for a moment. Go into the joystick control panel in Windows and see what the paddles/2600-daptor is sending to Windows itself. There should be a window that shows a crossbar and buttons. Moving the paddle should move the crossbar from across the square. Pressing the paddle button should indicate that a button has been pressed. If Windows is not showing this, then it's a problem with Windows and the device, and has nothing to do with Stella. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Does that mean you had the switches wrong? Nope, switches right. Still not working. Tom said there is a "ctrl + ?" that I have to do to move from mouse to controller (can't find that in docs)? It is also listed in device manager as a Human Interface device Not a USB game controller (mantioned in another thread here). Anyone? And thanx all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, stephena said: WHAT!!! I just tested the Stelladaptor, 2600-daptor, 2600-daptor II and 2600-daptor D9. None of them are working in the latest Stella. So this is a more widespread problem. They worked in Stella 5, so it's something introduced in Stella 6. Now I just need to track down the latest release where these worked. Thank you! Please let me know what you find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 No, I need you to go to the game controllers window. For me it looks like this: Click on "Properties", to get a Window something like this: Now move the paddle back and forth, and press the button. It should be obvious if the paddle is sending the correct data to Windows. If it isn't, then this is not a Stella problem. If it is, we can diagnose further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, stephena said: No, I need you to go to the game controllers window. For me it looks like this: Click on "Properties", to get a Window something like this: Now move the paddle back and forth, and press the button. It should be obvious if the paddle is sending the correct data to Windows. If it isn't, then this is not a Stella problem. If it is, we can diagnose further. See pics below. crosshairs move diagonally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Wouldn't paste pls see files attached Doc1.docx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 That's the calibration window. Please go to properties as I've shown above, and report your results. Note that the 2600-daptor devices typically don't need to be calibrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, stephena said: That's the calibration window. Please go to properties as I've shown above, and report your results. Note that the 2600-daptor devices typically don't need to be calibrated. In the doc attached reply above your reply here. You will see the properties is the same as yours. Re-attached here ass well. Doc1.docx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3amSlat3r Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 hours ago, hizzy said: Just wanted to say that I find this topic super helpful! Thanks!! Yes; I was going to ask about the best way to get paddle games working (New Best paddles, buying Rangers and the splitter, a 2600 D9, and asking how to set it all up!) but watching others with way more knowledge troubleshoot for me is even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 So been working with Tom from2600-dapter. Very nice guy. Got Atari paddles working on computer on 6.2.1 Got Atari paddles working on DB9 on retron 6.1.1 Testing/results below. If anyone can answer these questions appreciated: *Do I have to reflash after every time I unplug from computer? *Does it matter still flashing even when computer turned off? *So I guess I need 2 dapters for 2 players? And all 4 paddles plugged in? And a USB hub for computer? As I want to run this on a retron77, will I need just splitter? Steps: Everything on win10 or retron77 and stella 6.2.1 unless otherwise noted. Jumped and stopped flashing. Reflashed bios with 190927. Unplugged USB Plugged in Atari paddles Didn’t work Started over again Jumped and stopped flashing. Reflashed bios with 190901. Unplugged USB Plugged in Atari paddles They work. On win10 machine: So I ran your test. Paddles were working fine Unplugged Atari and plugged in 1 ranger. Didn’t work Rebooted machine Atari paddles working Unplugged Atari Plugged in Hyperkin splitter with 2 rangers Paddle one worked but in a hyper mode What I mean is very little movement on paddle control made very FAST movement and FAR (across screen). Unusable but kind of worked. Hope this helped. On retron77: Paddles did not work on 6.2.1. Had to go to 6.1.1 Paddles were working fine on front of retron not in USB on either version Atari paddles working in DB9 only on 6.1.1 Unplugged Atari from DB9 on retron77 and plugged into retron77 usb Didn’t work. Ran reflash as described above. Still didn’t work Now doesn’t work on Computer again. Reflashed again and now working on computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, wfletcher3 said: If anyone can answer these questions appreciated: *Do I have to reflash after every time I unplug from computer? No. I never had to reflash my daptor yet. 1 hour ago, wfletcher3 said: *Does it matter still flashing even when computer turned off? ? 1 hour ago, wfletcher3 said: *So I guess I need 2 dapters for 2 players? Only you do not want to use the front port of the R77. These work fine for joysticks. Or if you you want more than 2 players using Atari's paddles. 1 hour ago, wfletcher3 said: And a USB hub for computer? No, no hub required. 1 hour ago, wfletcher3 said: As I want to run this on a retron77, will I need just splitter? That I cannot answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: No. I never had to reflash my daptor yet. ? Only you do not want to use the front port of the R77. These work fine for joysticks. Or if you you want more than 2 players using Atari's paddles. No, no hub required. That I cannot answer. Hi Thomas, When I asked about the flashing. When I turn off my computer, the 2600-dapter keeps flashing. That is ok and I don't have to unplug it? When playing 2 or more players on a computer, do I use the Hyperkin splitter (atari paddles) or do I need another 2600-dapter? When playing on my retron77, do I just use just the splitter for my atari paddles in the front DB9 connector for 2 or more or both front DB9 connectors? As the USB doesn't work. Thanks for all your help. w- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, wfletcher3 said: When I asked about the flashing. When I turn off my computer, the 2600-dapter keeps flashing. That is ok and I don't have to unplug it? Ah, you mean the lights are still flashing. That's OK, your USB ports are still getting power. 3 minutes ago, wfletcher3 said: When playing 2 or more players on a computer, do I use the Hyperkin splitter (atari paddles) or do I need another 2600-dapter? I don't know anything about the Hyperkin splitter, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfletcher3 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I can't thank everyone enough for all the help you gave me setting up both my RetroN77 and Win10 Stella deployments. I put a small paper together to hopefully help other beginners. I hope that all of this helps. As far as testing paddles and sticks here is what I found: 6.1.1 DB9 6.2.1 DB9 6.1.1 USB 6.2.1 USB RetroN77 2600 Pad Yes Fail Yes *1 Yes 2600 Stk Yes Yes Yes Yes Ranger Pad Yes Fail Fail Fail Ranger Stk Yes Yes Fail Yes Windows 10 2600 Pad N/A N/A ? Yes 2600 Stk N/A N/A ? Yes Ranger Pad N/A N/A ? Hyper*2 Ranger Stk N/A N/A ? Yes Yes*1-- ROM menu does not work with paddles at all; but paddles work in games Hyper*2—Very little movement of paddle in hand shoots paddle on screen across screen Yes—Works Fine Fail—Does not work at all ?—Could not find Stella version to test Beginners notes for Stella on Windows and RetroN77.docx 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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