+BBWW Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 mMarnold7 said he did not make the box he just had them in his collection. I believe him. It's just weird that I never saw these being a heavy collector. Obviously someone hid the release from me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+the1hatman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 mMarnold7 said he did not make the box he just had them in his collection. I believe him. It's just weird that I never saw these being a heavy collector. Obviously someone hid the release from me. I was pretty sure this was the case. mjarnold has had me make boxes for him in the past so I didn't think he was producing them himself. For the record, he has always been on the up and up in my dealings with him I am also surprised at seeing this version of the box for the first time as well. If these were out there in any decent quantity you'd think they would have turned up before now. Unless this is the first of many to come? Hopefully not as I'd rather wait for the official BBWW release than see a bootleg take hold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I was pretty sure this was the case. mjarnold has had me make boxes for him in the past so I didn't think he was producing them himself. For the record, he has always been on the up and up in my dealings with him I am also surprised at seeing this version of the box for the first time as well. If these were out there in any decent quantity you'd think they would have turned up before now. Unless this is the first of many to come? Hopefully not as I'd rather wait for the official BBWW release than see a bootleg take hold. One offs of very high quality boxes can be had for as little as $25 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcade124 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) Glad to see everyone's getting along and pretty much on the same page this time. The question remains: is there anyone with a bad track record here who may be responsible? Edited May 20, 2019 by arcade124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+the1hatman Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 One offs of very high quality boxes can be had for as little as $25 each. That could be the case then. My boxes are all handmade with the exception of the designs I have made for others where professional printing was used. So one offs are easy for me to make but I was unaware one could have a one off done using pro offset style printing. $25 isn't a bad deal considering how much some reproduction and fantasy boxes have sold for previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Clearly this was produced with more than a home printer. The fold scoring would indicate that. The design could have just been a bunch of stock illustrations put together with a theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 The graphics art and the little pig by the title are from shutterstock.com . Looking at the box again, I'd say the green title text is trademark infringement and should require permission to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterZero Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 The graphics art and the little pig by the title are from shutterstock.com . Looking at the box again, I'd say the green title text is trademark infringement and should require permission to use. The game name, code and original art from it would be covered by copyright, but unless BBWW has actively applied for a TM for the video game name "Piggy Bank" and had it registered, it won't be protected as a trademark. BBWW, have you applied for a trademark? - J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Unregistered trademarks still have rights. And you can't copyright a name or title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Piggy Bank the game is copyright protected. TM only covers Blah Blah Woof Woof. Trademarks are expensive. I doubt I would be granted a Trademark on a common name like "Piggy Bank" even if I tried. It's all part of doing business. Sometimes I'm OK with all the stuff that goes on here. I don't collect for other systems so I might be the same there as well. I felt strongly enough about wanting to get permission for Parsec that I had the game reworked when I could not. I could have just released it and violated abandoned IP but decided not too. Maybe that was a bad move. LOL I may try again to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) If apple computer can trademark an apple than bbww can trademark piggy bank. Things got a little complicated with apple records when apple computer came out with itunes. I think you can use TM for free. Registering a trademark ® might be expensive. Edited May 21, 2019 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterZero Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Unregistered trademarks still have rights. And you can't copyright a name or title. You do usually have intrinsic rights to claim a trademark, if you were using that trademark in business first. Eg, if two parties apply for the same trademark, the group that can demonstrate officially using that name for longer will usually win. Trademarks usually apply to company/brand names, but in some cases can apply to unique (not generic) product names (eg Liquid Paper is a trademark, correction fluid is not, and cannot be a trademark), unique logos (like the Coca-Cola dynamic ribbon device), icons (such as the Mickey Mouse head), mascot characters or even some 3D shapes that would normally come under design patent (again the Coca-Cola hobble skirt bottle). Some of these areas overlap into copyright and design patent laws. You are correct that the name/title of a book, video game etc cannot be copyrighted, but if you have a series of books, video games etc that come under the same title, then that name can be trademarked. Eg, Nintendo's Super Mario Bros, or Harry Potter series of books. Also, a unique lettered logo design based on the title could be considered an artwork, and falls into that area of both being covered by copyright, and eligible for trademark. Application of copyright laws are almost subjective for some scenarios... - J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 If I was creating a new new series for a broad release on several consoles...then maybe it would be worth it. It is a not as cheap as a copyright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Hi BBWW, Sorry this happened without your permission or knowledge. I hope you don’t let it ruin your enjoyment of the inty or your originally intended plans. Hope all is well with real life and otherwise. Best regards! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KylJoy Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 "I may try again to get it." Please do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Parsec would be awesome! It may be the kind of thing TI does not want to mess with but would not care if it was released either. Quite a few companies (except Nintendo) are like that for homebrew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Spear Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 You should have simply been asked before anyone makes anything related to your IP. It's not only in the right legal interest, it's the right ethical interest. I think it makes sense to get some legal action going against the offender, even if it's a giant time-suck for you. If you don't defend your rights the first time, you basically give them up for future times. People in forums can split hairs about what they think is copyright or what isn't, but they aren't lawyers, your lawyer is a lawyer. You spend time and money that you could have used on other things on something you love, no one else has the right to decide whether they should profit from you after the fact. * spoken as someone who threw away all of their Intellivision game boxes years ago, kept the carts, put the overlays and manuals in binders, and plays the games because they are fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 You should have simply been asked before anyone makes anything related to your IP. It's not only in the right legal interest, it's the right ethical interest. I think it makes sense to get some legal action going against the offender, even if it's a giant time-suck for you. If you don't defend your rights the first time, you basically give them up for future times. People in forums can split hairs about what they think is copyright or what isn't, but they aren't lawyers, your lawyer is a lawyer. You spend time and money that you could have used on other things on something you love, no one else has the right to decide whether they should profit from you after the fact. If they had used the BBWW Logo anywhere it would be easier and I would have been forced to do it. Has I've said before I have had to defend the BBWW Trademark about 5 times. Mostly related to music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Black_Tiger Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 If they had used the BBWW Logo anywhere it would be easier and I would have been forced to do it. Has I've said before I have had to defend the BBWW Trademark about 5 times. Mostly related to music. Big Beautiful White Women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 LOL Big Beautiful White Women? Blah Blah Woof Woof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuele Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 We have a box and a re-release planned with added levels, CIB. Could you give any more hint on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Black_Tiger Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 LOL Blah Blah Woof Woof Were they actually using "blah blah woof woof" or just bbww? Or did someone find your logo artwork online and reporpose it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellblock1138 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just saw this one pop up on eBay. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202869453221 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinjinhawke Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I should spend my money on that. I mean sure I don’t own the game in any form and the box isn’t legit and it’s crazy expensive for a box but other than that I see no reason to not buy it. Wife’s loving slap to the back of my head has changed my mind. Thanks dear. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuele Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 5/13/2019 at 1:16 AM, BBWW said: We have a box and a re-release planned with added levels, CIB. Any update on this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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