VinsCool Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 hours ago, tane said: Making a comparison with v1.30, it seems that the speed runs 1 step slower, ie: (speed v1.30)=05 is similar but not equal to (speed v1.30 patched v9)=04. Are you sure about that? I've tested about as many tunes I as I could and everything sounded exactly like intended, in both region. This is the only reason why something would run at a different speed on some tunes. If a tune was made with NTSC in mind, but runs in the tracker in PAL, it will indeed play slower, and the opposite is also true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, VinsCool said: Are you sure about that? Nothing to worry about. The answer was the default config: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Played a little bit in a cover of a tune I really like, and I combined some ideas emkay added some time ago with some tiny improvement I did today I think it wouldn't take much more to call it done, and replace the original version I did, that isn't as good anymore, now used the custom tuning tables btw Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.rmt Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.obx 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, VinsCool said: Played a little bit in a cover of a tune I really like, and I combined some ideas emkay added some time ago with some tiny improvement I did today I think it wouldn't take much more to call it done, and replace the original version I did, that isn't as good anymore, now used the custom tuning tables btw Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.rmt 4.48 kB · 2 downloads Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.obx 12.96 kB · 2 downloads This is f****ng great No yelling at all. Now we are in business 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Great stuff here. I'd get some recordings on real hardware for you, but I have a noise issue that needs diagnosed in my 1088 XLD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, emkay said: No yelling at all That's due to his alternate tuning. Perfect 8ths, perfect 5ths (how about 3rds?), and tune to the bass notes. Distortion A does not need a well-tempered tuning with A=440Hz. Tune to the bass notes! ? It could be nice to calculate which keys are best suited to the (fixed) Dist C frequencies, and then create just intonated Dist A tables for those keys. Edited March 9, 2021 by ivop 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Stephen said: Great stuff here. I'd get some recordings on real hardware for you, but I have a noise issue that needs diagnosed in my 1088 XLD. Thanks! I appreciate the offer but I got all my hardware needs covered now I was lucky enough to get a 800xl of each region, so no issue there! Hardware will come sometime soon... maybe tonight? ? 1 hour ago, ivop said: That's due to his alternate tuning. Perfect 8ths, perfect 5ths (how about 3rds?), and tune to the bass notes. Distortion A does not need a well-tempered tuning with A=440Hz. Tune to the bass notes! ? It could be nice to calculate which keys are best suited to the (fixed) Dist C frequencies, and then create just intonated Dist A tables for those keys. I'm so happy this tuning adventure really paid off after all, I really thought I was wasting my time... I'm glad I was too stubborn to give up just yet! Honestly the Distortion C frequencies (any timbre minus the unstable/muting ones) are about as good as I could get them... There are a few notes that turned out to be debatable... and happen to be directly related to the A ones I was hesitating with, but overall, I'd say about 90% of them are nicely in-tune with a relatively consistent amount of cents off... which is honestly a lot better compared to how the notes were originally. Hopefully, my efforts may be useful for later projects :3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 23 hours ago, VinsCool said: RMT2LZSS Vin Tuning Patch A and C and E V9.exe I hope you are okay with that rensoup? ? If there's anything I shouldn't have posted I'll delete upon request. That's almost criminal... time to put some anti-hacking measures in... just kidding of course ? 5 hours ago, VinsCool said: Played a little bit in a cover of a tune I really like, and I combined some ideas emkay added some time ago with some tiny improvement I did today I think it wouldn't take much more to call it done, and replace the original version I did, that isn't as good anymore, now used the custom tuning tables btw Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.rmt 4.48 kB · 4 downloads Amberstar - Ode to Schnismmk VinEDIT12.obx 12.96 kB · 4 downloads Wow... great sounds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Now to re-patch every game and application out there all fixed up nice like this... You will be forever thanked by ears around the world! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Hardware recording coming a bit later I really like how this cover turned into now. Amberstar - Ode to Schnism Alternate Tuning Final.rmt Amberstar - Ode to Schnism Alternate Tuning Final.xex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnurrikowski Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 You are a genius Thanks for that really nice tune! But will this work with Rings of Medusa title theme, too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Schnurrikowski said: You are a genius Thanks for that really nice tune! But will this work with Rings of Medusa title theme, too? Thank you! Nice tune, I don't see why it couldn't work, seems very much in the range of POKEY capability to sound nice. Speaking of which, while the oscilloscope video is rendering, here's the real hardware recording of the Amberstar tune! I recorded it from my PAL 800xl Might just upload the video tomorrow, it's pretty late already lol Amberstar - Ode to Schnism Alternate Tuning.ogg Edited March 10, 2021 by VinsCool Addendum 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The recording shows that the LZSS player really is showing "original" content. Let's say there is just a difference about 5% , while the RMT player only reaches 50% of the real thing. The "perfect" fitting to Altirra's emulation shows a tad difference on the recording. The real Pokey shows less noise but has a little earlier cancelling/clamping in the tune. This only means that things still can be optimized on the emulation. @VinsCool Would you like to do a recording of my latest 15kHz edit, for some comparision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Oscilloscope video is up now! Amberstar - Ode to Schnism (Atari PoKEY Cover, Recorded from Real Hardware, Alternate Tuning) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 hours ago, emkay said: @VinsCool Would you like to do a recording of my latest 15kHz edit, for some comparision? Sure, I'll just need executable for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, VinsCool said: Sure, I'll just need executable for that. dllz.obx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, emkay said: dllz.obx 11.04 kB · 2 downloads Recorded from my PAL 800xl Sounds great [PAL] Emkay - Dachlatte (Hardware).ogg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, emkay said: dllz.obx 11.04 kB · 2 downloads Recorded from my PAL 800xl Sounds great [PAL] Emkay - Dachlatte (Hardware).ogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Thanks a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 After listening to that, it shows the same. It's less noise than in the emulations, but also a little more "clamped" . It's only an evidence that POKEY is sounding stable, and points to even more possibilities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 After listening to that, it shows the same. It's less noise than in the emulations, but also a little more "clamped" . It's only an evidence that POKEY is sounding stable, and points to even more possibilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 lol ... the forum has some probs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, emkay said: lol ... the forum has some probs It always happens in this thread for some reason, lol I hope I didn't break the site 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, emkay said: lol ... the forum has some probs It always happens in this thread for some reason, lol I hope I didn't break the site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) OK. How are you doing the visualisation? Is it really necessary to record all channels separated and mux them, or is there a more comfortable way? Edited March 10, 2021 by emkay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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