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i remember going to Toys R Us in 1983 to buy Intellivision games and i saw a new game

called Locomotion at only $4.99..i thought it was a mistake that Toys R Us made on their pricing

so i ended up buying it and i have always wondered why a new game was so cheap

thanks to the internet later i found out why but i wonder how many copies the game ended up

selling..it had to sell pretty good at that price

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According to Intellivision Productions, there were no sales records after june 1983. A newspaper article does say 750k intellivision consoles sold that year.

 

Their website says that after Activision released the similar game happy trails; marketing, anticipating a lawsuit, gave up on Locomotion and sold it at a discount.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180611110356/http://www.intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/games/credits/1983b.html#locomotion

 

I would have bought it too but I didn't even see Locomotion in stores where I was in 1983. We didn't have a toysrus.

 

Do you remember the prices of other 1983 cartridges that may have been on the shelf with locomotion e.g. treasure of tarmin, burgertime, bumpnjump? I paid regular prices for burgertime and bumpnjump in 1983.

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According to Intellivision Productions, there were no sales records after june 1983. A newspaper article does say 750k intellivision consoles sold that year.

Their website says that after Activision released the similar game happy trails; marketing, anticipating a lawsuit, gave up on Locomotion and sold it at a discount.https://web.archive.org/web/20180611110356/http://www.intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/games/credits/1983b.html#locomotion

I would have bought it too but I didn't even see Locomotion in stores where I was in 1983. We didn't have a toysrus.

Do you remember the prices of other 1983 cartridges that may have been on the shelf with locomotion e.g. treasure of tarmin, burgertime, bumpnjump? I paid regular prices for burgertime and bumpnjump in 1983.

Yup had all the games you mentioned and got them all at the same Toys R Us..those games were all full price when Locomotion was $4.99..i want to say $34.99..also got Kool Aid Man when it 1st came out at the Osco drug store and I remember it was $19.99 new which also surprised me at the time

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Maybe they overproduced it? Or puzzle/train games just weren't selling? 1983 was around the time the big cartridge crash started. I think that's when I got my $40 drugstore Intellivision.

 

Sorry I have no facts, just speculation, based on childhood memories in a small town. :lol:

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There's probably sales records on the Centuri/Konami arcade Locomotion. I doubt it sold well. Has anyone seen/played arcade Locomotion besides myself.

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To add another point of view:

 

Konami ported Loco-Motion to the Sord M5 as Guttang Gottong, c:a 1982 which I believe sold at full price in both Japan and Europe. However Konami chose not to release the same game for MSX on their own, instead they supplied it to Sony who got to release Crazy Train in 1983 for 4800 yen, together with Sparkie and Juno First, all three being developed by Konami but not part of their own library of MSX cartridge games.

 

The average exchange rate was 1 USD = 240 yen in 1983, so it puts Crazy Train at ~$20, which is four times as much as you paid for Loco-Motion for the Intellivision. For that matter, the majority of early Konami games (1983-84) on the MSX also were in the range 4000-4800 yen, Mahjong at 6000 yen but not until the MSX2 generation in 1986, Konami generally increased the price.

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One way to estimate sales numbers might be to look at how many copies of given game are available today and use a ratio based on known sales numbers. I did a quick search on eBay and came up with the following...

 

1 LV Poker & Blackjack 273
2 Star Strike 273
3 Space Armada 243
4 Astrosmash 206
5 Space Battle 196
6 Donkey Kong 185
7 Armor Battle 166
8 MLB 147
9 Night Stalker 142
10 NFL Football 141
11 Space Hawk 140
12 Sea Battle 137
13 Skiing 133
14 Lock N Chase 130
15 Utopia 123
16 Auto Racing 119
17 Space Spartans 102
18 Tennis 97
19 Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 96
20 Boxing 95
21 Burgertime 92
22 PGA Golf 89
23 Royal Dealer 85
24 NBA Basketball 84
25 Beauty and the Beast 82
26 Bowling 82
27 Sub Hunt 82
28 Tron Deadly Discs 81
29 Snafu 75
30 Atlantis 73
31 Pitfall 70
32 Frogger 67
33 Carnival 66
34 Tron Maze-a-tron 63
35 Demon Attack 61
36 NHL Hockey 59
37 Horse Racing 57
38 Backgammon 54
39 B-17 Bomber 53
40 Bomb Squad 53
41 Frog Bog 53
42 NASL Soccer 48
43 Vectron 43
44 Mission X 40
45 Super Pro Football 37
46 AD&D - Treasure of Tarmin 36
47 Dragonfire 36
48 Microsurgeon 31
49 Shark! Shark! 31
50 Masters of the Universe 30
51 Math Fun 29
52 Sharp Shot 29
53 Roulette 28
54 Reversi 25
55 Swords & Serpents 23
56 Mr. Basic Bits and Bytes 22
57 Stampede 22
58 Ladybug 20
59 Checkers 19
60 Buzz Bombers 18
61 Venture 18
62 Locomotion 17
63 Pacman 17
64 White Water 17
65 World Championship Baseball 16
66 Word Fun 16
67 Motocross 16
68 Bump N Jump 15
69 Star Wars - Empire Strikes Back 15
70 Nova Blast 15
71 Mouse Trap 15
72 Happy Trails 14
73 Scooby Doo 14
74 Zaxxon 14
75 Centipede 13
76 Dracula 13
77 Dreadnaught Factor 13
78 Thunder Castle 12
79 Ice Trek 11
80 Super Pro Wrestling 11
81 Thin Ice 11
82 Sewer Sam 10
83 Q*bert 10
84 Jetson's Way with Words 9
85 Kool-Aid Man 9
86 Safecracker 9
87 Super Pro Hockey 9
88 Pinball 9
89 Tron Solar Sailer 8
90 Tropical Trouble 8
91 Truckin 8
92 Chess 8
93 Big League Baseball 7
94 Commando 7
95 Mind Strike 7
96 Popeye 7
97 Super Pro Basketball 7
98 Super Pro Golf 7
99 World Cup Soccer 7
100 Tower of Doom 7
101 Blockade Runner 6
102 Defender 6
103 Triple Challenge 6
104 Turbo 6
105 Donkey Kong Jr 5
106 Super Pro Skiing 5
107 Pole Position 5
108 Worm Whomper 5
109 Beamrider 4
110 Championship Tennis 4
111 Hover Force 4
112 River Raid 4
113 Dig Dug 3
114 Fathom 3
115 Decathlon 3
116 Melody Blaster 2
117 World Series MLB 2
118 Congo Bongo 2
119 Diner 1
120 Learning Fun 1 1
121 Stadium Mud Buggies 1
122 Learning Fun 2 0
123 Super Cobra 0
124 Tutankham 0
125 Spiker 0

 

I tried to quickly screen out orphan overlays, t-shirts, posters, etc. There are lots of factors that might cause eBay numbers to fluctuate. For example, rarer games might be overweighted since dirt common games are less likely to sell or be worth the hassle of selling. Major League Baseball is often referred to as the best selling Intellivision game of all-time with sales over 1,000,000. However, it shows up as #8 on the list. I'm not surprised that it's behind LV Poker & Blackjack since it was the pack-in but I was shocked that it was so far down the list and behind Armor Battle. I'm guessing that there's not much demand for a roughly 40 year old baseball game (even though it's still one of my favorites).

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Well that's a straight up awesome list. :)

First thing I noticed was third party games...

DK in 6th at 185 copies then Beauty and the Beast at number 25 with 82 copies. Yikes. No wonder you can't seem to buy a lot of games without finding DK in it.

 

Look at all those copies of Carnival just waiting to be sent to Rick 😎😂

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Star Strike sold a lot of copies and looks good but it's just not a fun game and it's very short i can see why there's a lot of copies available

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Star Strike ranks seventh in Mattel cartridge sales at 837k, Armour Battle is ninth at 571k. AD&D is eighth at 698k (about double night stalker sales), but it came out one or two years after the others. Sales are only through june 1983. Mattel heavily promoted and probably overproduced Star Strikes. B17 Bomber actually ousold Space Spartans but Space Spartans was probably over produced. A lot has to do with survival rates. New old stock still shows up and that will increase survival rates.

 

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I noticed the Japanese Loco-motion, Guttang Guttong, plays a little differently than the Centuri (and Mattel) versions. In Guttang Gattong the station loops are blocked off once you clear a station. That could make the game a little harder.

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Star Strike ranks seventh in Mattel cartridge sales at 837k, Armour Battle is ninth at 571k. AD&D is eighth at 698k (about double night stalker sales), but it came out one or two years after the others. Sales are only through june 1983. Mattel heavily promoted and probably overproduced Star Strikes. B17 Bomber actually ousold Space Spartans but Space Spartans was probably over produced. A lot has to do with survival rates. New old stock still shows up and that will increase survival rates.

 

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I noticed the Japanese Loco-motion, Guttang Guttong, plays a little differently than the Centuri (and Mattel) versions. In Guttang Gattong the station loops are blocked off once you clear a station. That could make the game a little harder.

 

Do you have the rank and sales numbers for other carts? I'd be very interested in seeing that data.

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The sales for each mattel cartridge is on the intellivision lives pc/mac cd. That's sales through june 1983 so there's no sales data for the 1983 cartridges.

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These cartridge sales numbers are from the Intellivision Lives PC/Mac CD and are only through June 1983. Hopefully I didn't make any errors. Note that clicking "stats and credits" for NHL Hockey directs you to the Tennis page. Similarly Tennis directs you to the NASL Soccer page. The NHL Hockey page might be somewhere on the CD, just inaccessible. Deadly Discs and Night Stalker suspiciously have identical sales. Keith use to joke how his Solar Sailer cartridge has such low sales, but it was possibly the last cartridge to market in this list.

1939400	1980-08-25	Las Vegas Poker & Blackjack 
1085700	1980-09-04	Major League® Baseball 
983900	1981-10-15	Astrosmash 
980200	1980-08-27	NFL® Football 
972000	1980-08-25	Space Battle 
931100	1981-10-15	Space Armada 
837500	1981-12-22	Star Strike 
698000	1982-08-16	ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS® Cartridge 
571600	1980-09-04	Armor Battle 
565200	1980-10-03	Auto Racing 
539000	1982-07-09	Lock 'N' Chase® 
529200	1980-10-03	Sea Battle 
518100	1980-08-25	NBA® Basketball 
503400	1981-10-15	Triple Action 
475700	1981-10-21	Boxing 
467900	1982-04-19	Space Hawk 
427500	1980-12-10	U.S. Ski Team® Skiing 
383100	1981-07-31	PBA® Bowling 
378100	1981-10-15	Snafu 
364100	1980-11-05	PGA® Golf 
348200	1982-05-16	Night Stalker 
348200	1982-08 	TRON® Deadly Discs 
337700	1980-12-10	Tennis 
331200	1982-05-25	Frog Bog 
309900	1982-07-23	B-17 Bomber 
295600	1982-06-29	Space Spartans 
291000	1982-10-06	TRON® Maze-A-Tron 
284400	1980-09-04	NASL® Soccer 
268200	1982-05-06	Sub Hunt 
251000	1980-10-03	Horse Racing 
243800	1982-06-03	Utopia 
233400	1982-09-14	Bomb Squad 
147500	1980-11-05	The Electric Company® Word Fun 
142100	1980-10-16	ABPA® Backgammon 
134700	1980-10-16	The Electric Company® Math Fun 
120500	1980-09-17	Checkers 
106300	1980-10-03	Las Vegas Roulette 
96700	1982-10-28	Sharp Shot 
91500	1982-05-11	Reversi 
87700	1983		TRON® Solar Sailor 
85200	1982-12-06	Shark! Shark! 
82700	1983		Vectron 
54900	1982-08 	Royal Dealer 
??????  1980-10-03	NHL Hockey
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That's awesome. Thanks for posting. I would have guessed Utopia and Shark! Shark! to be much higher on the list!

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That's awesome. Thanks for posting. I would have guessed Utopia and Shark! Shark! to be much higher on the list!

 

Now that I'm looking more closely it's probably at least partially due to their late release

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ya know the sales of the Intellivoice games (other than Ton Solar Sailor) really aren't that bad at all considering you needed an add on to play them

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too bad we'll never know how many copies Burger Time sold but it had to have been a lot..i know a lot of people that had it and even my dad who wasn't a gamer was addicted to it and bought a Console and Burger Time of his own and his friends did too

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