Mrarkus Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 What's a good paint program to use on the Atari? Looking especially for GTIA extra modes. A bonus would be if it used Atari ST mouse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I've only used Atati Paint, but I think it only has 2 modes. I'm sure others will know of better ones. You can't use an ST mouse, it just won't work on the A8. However I think you can get a graphic tablet and use that to draw etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scitari Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 My favorite is Atari Artist for use with the Atari Touch Tablet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrarkus Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 Thanks, I'll check them out. I could've sworn I've seen a mention of some programs using the ST mouse, but I might be imagining things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Despite what was stated, an ST mouse works very well when plugged into either one of the joystick ports. The problem is that there aren't an abundance of programs that recognize it, and unless someone knows of one, no paint programs do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I am not an expert (I use Atari Graphics Studio on PC - and RECOIL to display Atari, Amiga... images) but there are many recent paint programs. For example BBK Artist (mouse), Blazing Paddles, Lepix, Paint 256, RAMbrandt, XL Art, XL Paint Max (mouse). Here you can find many programs: http://gury.atari8.info/categ/s_draw.php http://atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika People more skilled than me will give you more infos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Diamond Paint supports a mouse also, has all the features of Micro Illustrator and Atari Artist, but it requires Diamond GOS. Many art programs support the Atari touch tablet or Koala touch tablet, including the art programs that come with them when bought complete, which are Atari Artist and Koala Paint, both are Micro Illustrator compatible (picture files). Rambrandt is one of the best, supporting most of the Atari's hardware graphic modes, including the GTIA modes, and it is compatible with both touch tablets and Atari's track-ball in true track-ball mode, and is compatible with Micro-Illiustrator too, with certain graphic modes that will let you save in M.I. format. It's the best there is as far as features, and even has a separate Solid Object Modeler program. But, if you are looking for art programs that use mixed hardware modes and other software modes that can have many more colors than similar resolution hardware modes and anywhere on the screen. There are a few, mostly free-ware/Public domain and very basic, but some do support mouse or touch tablets, or track-ball. Rambramdt can't do that, but it can use DLI's for it's own graphics file format, which is great, but much more restricted in where the colors can be. I personally prefer using the Atari touch-tablet over a mouse for graphic art, and if I'm using an Antic graphic mode, I usually start with Atari Artist, with it's nice graphic menu system that you click on icons. Then I save the picture and load it into Rambrandt to continue the work using the DLI options of the program to add more color and final touch-up. It has a click-able menu system too, but it's text on two lines at the bottom of the screen, and you have to switch menu screens 2 or 3 times to see all selectable options. If I'm using a GTIA mode then I just start off with Rambrandt. And for advanced mixed and software graphic modes there is Paint 256, and Technicolor Dream for mixed GTIA modes, and for other software modes like HIP and TIP, etc., there are some primitive but decent art programs. I forget the names off-hand, but many only work with a joystick or track-ball in joystick mode. Escal Paint is one that uses three screens of Red, Green and Blue 16 shaded GTIA mode with a sort of "page-flipping" and interlacing tricks that lets you create 4096 colors from a palette of over 32,000. @Philsan also mentioned some good one that use mouse or touch-tablets. I didn't realize BBK Artist was mouse compatible though...There are a lot of art programs I haven't even tried yet, and from the lists at those sites Philsan linked, it looks like plenty to choose from for all hardware, mixed and software modes. I'm like a kid in the candy store with this stuff, but I already probably have most of these downloaded and just haven't gotten around to trying them all yet. Edited July 6, 2019 by Gunstar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Well, some nice paint programs: - BBK Artist (Gr. 15): ST-mouse ? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=BBK Artist%2C The#BBK Artist%2C The - Digi Paint (Gr. 9+11): ST-mouse http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Digi Paint#Digi Paint - Escal Paint (Gr. 9+11?): ST-mouse http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=EscalPaint#EscalPaint - HIP painter (Gr. 9+10 greyscales) - not at atarionline, but in my collection... - CIN 1.2 (Gr. 15+11): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Champions' Interlace#Champions' Interlace (160x192 pixels, 132 sectors) - Lepix (CIN, HIP, TIP, etc.): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Lepix#Lepix (CIN, HIP with 160x200 pixels, 129 sectors length, thus CIN created with Lepix is not compatible to CIN 1.2) - Fun with Art (Gr. 15 + DLI): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Fun With Art#Fun With Art - Koala Painter or Koala Micro Illustrator (Gr. 15 compressed): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=KoalaPainter#KoalaPainter http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The#Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The - Micropainter (Gr. 15 uncompressed, 62 sectors): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The#Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The - PD Paint (newer version of Micropainter?): out in the wild and in my collection - Mc Painter (Gr. 15? 16 colours ?): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=McPainter#McPainter - Paint 256 (Gr. 9+11): a) by Happy Computer magazine (length 123 sectors, flicker), b) by SAG (length 62 sectors, no flicker); version b) by A.Slaager (SAG) is here: http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Paint 256#Paint 256 - Rambrandt (various graphic modes) ST-mouse? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Rambrandt#Rambrandt - RGB painter (Gr. 8, 9 or 15 RGB modes?): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=RGB Painter#RGB Painter - Vidig Paint: ST-mouse ? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Vidig Paint#Vidig Paint - XL-ART (originally by Compyshop for Gr. 15 and maybe other modes):http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=XL-Art#XL-Art - XL-Paint (Gr. 15, flicker): a) up to 7 shades of one colour - XL-Paint: http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=XL-Paint#XL-Paint b) 4 col. combined with 4 lum. for up to 16 colours - XL Paint Max: http://madteam.atari8.info/uzytki/xlpaint.7z (XL Paint Max uses PAL blending mode, most likely does not work on NTSC) Enough I think... Edited July 6, 2019 by CharlieChaplin 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Wow! I stand corrected. I didn't realize there were so many paint programs that recognized an ST mouse. Very cool ?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Well, when I wrote "ST-mouse ?", this means I am not sure if the program supports an ST-mouse. Simply check it out (and test both port 1 and port 2)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrarkus Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 Wow, thank you for all the detailed responses and programs to try, really appreciate it! My Sunday plans have been set Gunstar, curious to try a touch tablet, any reason for Atari vs Koala? I've never used either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: Enough I think... Maybe the addition of "S.A.M. Painter" (Gr.15 + DLI) makes sense - as this application supports the ST-mouse too: Have not a download source at my fingertips, could somebody else can chime in...? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilsaluki Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I like Atarigraphics and the lightpen. I know not many used it, but I like it better than the touch pad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Oh, I already uploaded the type-in listing of SAM at AA forum several times. In case someone still does not have it (it includes SAM painter for Gr. 15 + DLI, uses ST-mouse in port 2), find it attached here... SAMGUI.zip 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, CharlieChaplin said: Well, some nice paint programs: - BBK Artist (Gr. 15): ST-mouse ? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=BBK Artist%2C The#BBK Artist%2C The - Digi Paint (Gr. 9+11): ST-mouse http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Digi Paint#Digi Paint - Escal Paint (Gr. 9+11?): ST-mouse http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=EscalPaint#EscalPaint - HIP painter (Gr. 9+10 greyscales) - not at atarionline, but in my collection... - CIN 1.2 (Gr. 15+11): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Champions' Interlace#Champions' Interlace (160x192 pixels, 132 sectors) - Lepix (CIN, HIP, TIP, etc.): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Lepix#Lepix (CIN, HIP with 160x200 pixels, 129 sectors length, thus CIN created with Lepix is not compatible to CIN 1.2) - Fun with Art (Gr. 15 + DLI): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Fun With Art#Fun With Art - Koala Painter or Koala Micro Illustrator (Gr. 15 compressed): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=KoalaPainter#KoalaPainter http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The#Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The - Micropainter (Gr. 15 uncompressed, 62 sectors): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The#Koala Micro Illustrator%2C The - PD Paint (newer version of Micropainter?): out in the wild and in my collection - Mc Painter (Gr. 15? 16 colours ?): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=McPainter#McPainter - Paint 256 (Gr. 9+11): a) by Happy Computer magazine (length 123 sectors, flicker), b) by SAG (length 62 sectors, no flicker); version b) by A.Slaager (SAG) is here: http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Paint 256#Paint 256 - Rambrandt (various graphic modes) ST-mouse? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Rambrandt#Rambrandt - RGB painter (Gr. 8, 9 or 15 RGB modes?): http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=RGB Painter#RGB Painter - Vidig Paint: ST-mouse ? http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=Vidig Paint#Vidig Paint - XL-ART (originally by Compyshop for Gr. 15 and maybe other modes):http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=XL-Art#XL-Art - XL-Paint (Gr. 15, flicker): a) up to 7 shades of one colour - XL-Paint: http://www.atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=utils&sub=2. Grafika&tg=XL-Paint#XL-Paint b) 4 col. combined with 4 lum. for up to 16 colours - XL Paint Max: http://madteam.atari8.info/uzytki/xlpaint.7z (XL Paint Max uses PAL blending mode, most likely does not work on NTSC) Enough I think... When I wrote "People more skilled than me will give you more infos" I was thinking of you Andreas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mrarkus said: Wow, thank you for all the detailed responses and programs to try, really appreciate it! My Sunday plans have been set Gunstar, curious to try a touch tablet, any reason for Atari vs Koala? I've never used either one. Atari tablet is better, larger surface area and higher-definition surface for better accuracy, button on pen and two on tablet which do three different things and Atari Artist is much better than the art programs that come with Koala, but of course they aren't the only programs for the tablets. Koala is o.k., it was my first and I used it for years, but I'd never go back after getting an Atari tablet. Edited July 6, 2019 by Gunstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrarkus Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Gunstar said: Atari tablet is better, larger surface area and higher-definition surface for better accuracy, button on pen and two on tablet which do three different things and Atari Artist is much better than the art programs that come with Koala, but of course they aren't the only programs for the tablets. Koala is o.k., it was my first and I used it for years, but I'd never go back after getting an Atari tablet. Great, and Brad has it in stock, that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Looks like BBK Artist does not use or support a mouse, it is joystick driven only. Manual and program available from the author here: BBK Artist. Quote from that page: "The entire program is joystick operated, using as little keyboard input as possible. Just move the cursor over the option you want and press the button. What could be simpler?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I like Leonardo. All graphics in Lemmblaster or WHO demo was created in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Leonardo Think that's the one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Does Leonardo work with a mouse, and if so how? Meaning is there a hot key or menu to configure it, since the default appears to be for a joystick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kehvn Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Free: Graphics 8 Painter http://www.outlandquestsoftware.com/ss_gr8pnt.html Download http://www.outlandquestsoftware.com/oq_gr8pt.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 20 hours ago, CharlieChaplin said: Looks like BBK Artist does not use or support a mouse, it is joystick driven only. Manual and program available from the author here: BBK Artist. Quote from that page: "The entire program is joystick operated, using as little keyboard input as possible. Just move the cursor over the option you want and press the button. What could be simpler?" Is there a comment section so we can let him know that a touch tablet or mouse would be simpler? One thing I NEVER use, is an art program that is joystick only...that's why I was excited to hear BBK Artist used a mouse earlier, as I like it, except for the joystick control. Doing artwork with a joystick SUCKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 If so, I have not seen it. Contacted B.Schappel some years ago via E-Mail, but never got a reply... but maybe you have more luck than me ?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 What an amazing selection of programs presented here! BITD, I only knew of Atari Artist and the ANTIC one I downloaded from BBS (at a blistering 300 baud). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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