Game Controller Q&A Thread

[+phoenixdownita]

12 hours ago, HoshiChiri said:

Well, in full disclosure- I've never owned a digital PS1 pad & my PS1 gaming was almost entirely RPGs where it's not a big concern one way or another.

 

I guess if you've never had one, there's not a huge reason to seek one out, as you'd be used to the weight/shape of a dualshock & you can turn the analog on/off as needed... but there is clearly a case to made for the right person playing the right games to keep one around.

The PS1 in NA was introduced late 1995 and the DualShock came about mid 1998 in US, so about 2.5Y in, all the games before it obviously did not need any analog and the old digital controller was feather weight and well rounded imho (still quite a distant second the the JP Saturn ctrl).

 

To be fair before the DualShock they had the DualAnalog ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Analog_Controller ) at about mid 1997 but that also was not to my taste (yeah I tried one).

 

The thing they did improve on was the shape of the second shoulder button (bigger hence easier to use) ... I guess for me it got even worse when PS2 DualShock2 introduced analog face buttons ("pressure sensitive" they called them ... it's a button so I venture its purpose is to be pressed no?) .... what a joke please ... and this is coming from someone that had the (dis)pleasure to play at the arcade Street Fighter 1 (yes ONE) with pneumatic buttons ... if you ever have the chance you should give it a try, it's educational.

 

The lack of "haptic feedback" made me make peace with the PS3 Sixaxis ... so lightweight and never really cared for a DualShock3, I'm sure I have a couple around the house ... I've never bought a PS4 so I don't know what the DualShock4 brings to the table and I may find out in a decade or so if the online servers don't all shut down.

[HoshiChiri]

10 hours ago, tripletopper said:

I'm not intending to hate on DualShock ones or standard PlayStation pads,  but I don't know enough to know about it other than to know the newbie answer which is: 8 DualShock 2s would be enough to play any party game for the PS1 or the PS2.  

Yes.

 

And quite frankly, anyone who complains that it's not their ideal controller in said scenario is a jerk. It's not like being able to get 8 people in the same place at the same time to play retro games is all that common. Heck, it wasn't that common when this stuff was new! Take your multiplayer when you can get it!

 

10 hours ago, tripletopper said:

And the third was basically my Dad buying a PlayStation 3 as the combined absolute cheapest and a great value considering the features Blu-ray player at the time and later 3D player. ( Do you know my Playstation 3 still plays my 3D discs despite the fact I have an Xbox One.  and more times the night the improvements made on the Xbox One prevent discs from playing that we did before rather than making certain previously incompatible discs compatible.  Yes my Xbox One does lock out certain 3D blu-rays.  Considering you have to either import or pirate to get quite a few and ever increasing 3D movies, why does Xbox One make it harder to play them?)

You kinda answered your own question- becuase you're importing and pirating.

 

The PS4/Xbox One came out at the height of 3D bluray, so it makes sense that the region coding would be a bit more severe than a console that released 4 years before it even existed. Plus, PS3 is fairly dead, Sony has little incentive to any serious patching on it for region blocking. And ANY company is going to try & lock pirated discs- otherwise you're just asking for a lawsuit.

[tripletopper]

That's weird.  They make less 3d movies, require you to scower the earth.  I try to buy legitimate 3d copies if available.  But most 3d movies are foreign, even though made for a significant US market. Some are labeled region B only.  I can't play those.  There are ones labeled ABC.  some are legitamate world discs, others are bootleg BD-Rs.

 

I assume if it plays on my US Xbox One, then it's a legitamate region A, AB, AC, or ABC disc.

 

BTW I complain if a BD-R comes from Ebay and it's a 2D disc.

 

I complain to all the studios and most have standard "Thank you. We appreciate you feedback.. ..." type emails.

[tripletopper]

13 hours ago, phoenixdownita said:

 ... I guess for me it got even worse when PS2 DualShock2 introduced analog face buttons ("pressure sensitive" they called them ... it's a button so I venture its purpose is to be pressed no?) .... what a joke please ... and this is coming from someone that had the (dis)pleasure to play at the arcade Street Fighter 1 (yes ONE) with pneumatic buttons ... if you ever have the chance you should give it a try, it's educational.

 

On shoryuken.con i wonder if the original intent if analog button on SF1 was to physically wear out a person who pounds the button.

 

In SF2 and beyond, there was a "cost" for going all hard all the time, the most obvious of which were a slow draw and a slow reload.

 

It seems like there's no ludistic advantage for going light except being less tiring.  Once the analog button were replaced with 6 button panel, it became s less tiring, less mechanically broken, but way more ludistically broken.

 

The good news about the TG16 version is you have to "cock" your heavies with a commitment using timing.  The bad news is (based on the Wii VC version) I literally threw 2 fireballs, and both times when not intending to do it.

 

Since the PS4 and Xbox One have analog triggers, the protocols are there.  A physical fight stick can have 2 analog buttons for LT/RT , L2/R2.  ( for the switch, make a wired controller which used the RS to determine the punch strength.    This can a more accurate SFI simulation AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED. 

 

Also have a download Super Street Fighter 1 with ROM enforced natural penalties for going all heavy as a togglable option, (slower draw, slower reload, etc). and have all CPU characters be human controlled, and Ryu/Ken be CPU controllable, and everything networked.  Could come as s free DLC with analog button fightstick purchase and either a physical or download SF30.