CPUWIZ Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrVenkman said: People should follow @mytek's model: tease a project, then go radio-silent until there's actually visible progress to announce. Don't let anyone sell anything related to it until it's done. This. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, Zonie said: If it were me, I'd have sent all the whiners their empty XM cases and said to hell with it. Why would you condone fraud? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Not fraud, "Fuck it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Zonie said: Not fraud, "Fuck it" Pleas send me some money and say that. I promise unicorns with ancient game company logos on it. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, CPUWIZ said: Pleas send me some money and say that. I promise unicorns with ancient game company logos on it. PM SENT!!!!!1!1!1!111!111 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/7/2020 at 7:25 PM, DrVenkman said: People should follow @mytek's model: tease a project, then go radio-silent until there's actually visible progress to announce. Don't let anyone sell anything related to it until it's done. I have teased about quite few things, and not all of them have seen the light of day. I'm also a firm believer in not selling or taking money for something until the design has been locked down. But that's just how I operate, and I realize everyone marches to his or her own drummer. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lendorien Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) I think the lesson to be learned here is that if you're going to do a project of this nature, it's best you have most of the development already done and ready to go. You see this happen with Kickstarter projects as well. Somebody has a grandiose plan to make some awesome product but they don't have the groundwork in place. So they get loads of interest and money, but then it fizzles out because the project ends up being more than they could chew. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was a scam, it just means said the people proposing the project we're poorly organized and had not explored all of the challenges related to the project. In the case of this project, I pre-ordered. I believe Curt meant well but that life and some considerable challenges got in the way. Add an unreliable project partner and the fact that a lot of the initial groundwork hadn't been put in place when pre-orders were taken, and you had a recipe for disaster. I also believe that Curt knows fully well how badly he messed this up. I expect I will get my XM eventually, because I believe Curt fully intended from the start to complete it. Plus, as sparse as the updates are, there has been progress... to the point now that various community programmers have test units and we know it works reliably. It's very easy for us to all gripe and complain about how long it's taking. And I fully understand everybody's frustration over the situation. At the same time, all of these complaints and irritation and anger have been hashed over and over and over again on these Forums. None of that has made project go any faster, or helped it towards completion. Frankly, I don't see the point of complaining at this point. It might make the person complaining feel better to vent, but it doesn't really have any purpose beyond that. We all know this thing is a mess. OK. Got it. Now what? So I'm going to continue to wait quietly and occasionally ask for updates. Because I don't see any point in being part of the other options. Edited August 10, 2020 by Lendorien 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Yeah, explain with more paragraphs how the buyers of a product shouldn't express disappointment with the the seller of the product. The self-proclaimed patient ones get upset because every few YEARS, patience wears thin, tempers flare and answers are demanded, and the people wanting accountability for their investment are basically told to sit down and shut up. The amount of YEARS doesn't seem to trigger any light bulbs in your heads, the ridiculousness of your position. I would add also, you can't prove that the rowdy-ness hasn't pushed the ball forward on this project. And, you also cannot prove sitting idle and saying nothing has helped either. I think there's actually good evidence in older threads that people demanding answers have actually spurred a little bit of action, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthCloud Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cobra Kai said: I would add also, you can't prove that the rowdy-ness hasn't pushed the ball forward on this project. And, you also cannot prove sitting idle and saying nothing has helped either. I think there's actually good evidence in older threads that people demanding answers have actually spurred a little bit of action, however. This is a valid point. As an example my Cube64 fork I started back in 2011, by the end of 2011, I was pretty much completely unmotivated from working on it for various real life reason. I had promised various features and bug fix that I never really worked on. Through the years I kept getting emails asking for the current status and simply ignored them, until one day in fall 2017 I got yet another of those email but somehow instead of ignoring it I decided "OK let's do this!". I worked again on the project through out 2018 fixing all the bugs and adding all the features and finally completing the project 100% by the end of that year. In my case no money was involved since it's a DIY project and I never sold any but still I had given my word publicly. So I would agree that waiting patiently certainly doesn't help one bit getting things done. Bitching about it every day won't help for sure, but bitching every few months is fair enough I think. Edited August 11, 2020 by DarthCloud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, DarthCloud said: This is a valid point. As an example my Cube64 fork I started back in 2011, by the end of 2011, I was pretty much completely unmotivated from working on it for various real life reason. I had promised various features and bug fix that I never really worked on. Through the years I kept getting emails asking for the current status and simply ignored them, until one day in fall 2017 I got yet another of those email but somehow instead of ignoring it I decided "OK let's do this!". I worked again on the project through out 2018 fixing all the bugs and adding all the features and finally completing the project 100% by the end of that year. In my case no money was involved since it's a DIY project and I never sold any but still I had given my word publicly. So I would agree that waiting patiently certainly doesn't help one bit getting things done. Bitching about it every day won't help for sure, but bitching every few months is fair enough I think. In the spirit of this thread, how about starting a new project to adapt the ProLine to work with standard N64 consoles? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) I've lightly followed this thread, because I never pre-ordered so it would be awhile before I could "buy" one. Anyway, am I to understand that the motherboard is final, and that the lone outstanding piece is the custom BIOS, which may or may not be completed? Edited August 26, 2020 by Greg2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Curt is a good guy, personal life issues. I got out of the Atari scene long ago when I sold all my stuff, was sad at first but really haven’t looked back. Once or twice a year I peak in to find cool stuff, like the corvus emulator in altirra. Life is short guys, make the best of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeoteknik Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Since tech has changed so much since it's announcement, if something like the XM was announced today, would this be easier to build? With the rise of FPGA, Analogue and so much other retro gaming goodies (Arcade 1Up etc.), from a tech standpoint, has anything made it easier to build? Was curious about this, not to change the topic (move if need be). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I just heard that Curt Vendel passed away. 1 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Yeah, Marty is passing on the news in the various Atari and retro groups on Facebook. Goddamn. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevEng Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Damn. RIP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Rest in peace, Curt. You will be missed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Horrible news... I wish the best for his family! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalemFrost7800 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Rest in Peace Curt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Muddyfunster Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Very sad news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Salamon Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 RIP Curt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just thinking about all the good he has done for the retro community. Thanx Curt... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 So sad to hear this. Perhaps Albert might consider dedicating the home page to Curt's life and accomplishments for awhile to pay homage to all the good he did while he was on this planet. Truly a great man, and one that I'm glad to have met. You will certainly be missed by many. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellis Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Very sad news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 This is terribly shocking and sad. I just can't believe it. ? 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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