The review of A-Z of Atari ST Games Volume 3 book RetroLaird is trying to delete!

[+Sauron]

1 hour ago, Welshworrier said:

Also worth noting that the kieren hawken lies video is blocked on yt in UK again due to a privacy complaint. 

 

Sure sounds like he's trying to hide stuff, the true sign of an innocent man

It'll be back up shortly. Meanwhile, it's still viewable to everyone outside of the UK, as well as on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Vr0l6QuKry2M/

 

 

[+CyranoJ]

Just to be completely blunt. 

 

If he did as you asked and owned up with an apology I would:

 

a) not believe it

b) not accept it

 

Just go away Kizza. You are done. And you did it to yourself. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, CyranoJ said:

Just to be completely blunt. 

 

If he did as you asked and owned up with an apology I would:

 

a) not believe it

b) not accept it

Those Leopards, they've really made their name for admitting to being wrong on the internet. 

[Landstalker]

8 hours ago, Sauron said:

It'll be back up shortly. Meanwhile, it's still viewable to everyone outside of the UK, as well as on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Vr0l6QuKry2M/

 

 

 

[+Sauron]

5 hours ago, Landstalker said:

 

Yes, funnily enough, the update video was also hit with a privacy strike, but then reinstated after further review.

 

 

[Landstalker]

Nicely edited so my comments have gone and it's all just positivity, sunshine and unicorns.
But there's always the original version!!!
:)


 

[Landstalker]

The real reason as anyone with more brains than a beetle knows is that Retro Gamer dropped him like the veritable horse apple he proved himself to be.
His revisionism is endless, "he requested no further invites to UK retro events" Tosh!
He "chose to stop working for Retro Gamer" Pish!
"Social Media Specialist" snort!
"Proof reader" guffaw!
"innocent" Fnar!


 

[Guest]

 

The Retro Gamer thing is funny.

 

He bullied Darran over on this? or another forum, perhaps the official RG one, I can't remember. It resulted in him using his socks to back up his argument that Atari got an unfair lack of coverage, which was and is bollocks.

 

Proof if you need it being his profile pic over on atari-forum (featuring a huge article that graced the RG cover) when he wanted other users to do his leg-work on his future ST article.

 

Darran must have known at the time just what a risk he was, considering it was quite an aggressive un-respectful rant on Kizzas part.
I think he just gave him something to shut him up. No luck.

So he gets a gig, then for fucking years Jones continues to use him again and again until a year or so ago, it seemed to have got to a saturation point for his behaviour and he was suddenly out.

They put out in the snow, the dog they invited to shit on the carpet.

[Lost Dragon]

I'd sworn off putting further comments in this thread,as it really needs fresh voices to come forward and share their experiences of Kieren, rather than topics covered at the very start of this thread,gone over again.

 

 

But since RetroGamer Magazine keeps getting mentioned, for the sake of clarity :

 

1.This was the topic that sparked off Kieren getting the RG work :

 

 

The bloody Lynx Zaku review and score:

 

https://atariage.com/forums/topic/159165-retro-gamer-are-a-joke/

 

https://forum.retrogamer.net/viewtopic.php?t=20255

 

Plus as the magazine editor made clear,nobody else wanted to write Atari articles for the magazine. 

 

2.We covered the issue of Kieren creating a fake user account on the RG magazine forum to praise his articles and try and get more work, the magazines editor promising a full and transparent investigation into this,which never happened, Kierens brother instead taking the hit and being banned.

 

https://forum.retrogamer.net/viewtopic.php?t=51773

 

The entire thing was swiftly brushed under the carpet.

 

3.Your not going to see current RG staff or freelancers making any public statements as Future Publishing will not allow it and ex-Freelancers have been approached,but do not wish to make any statements regarding Kieren.

 

It's really this simple.

 

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Lost Dragon
Links added

[markopoloman]

6 hours ago, Lost Dragon said:

I'd sworn off putting further comments in this thread,as it really needs fresh voices to come forward and share their experiences of Kieren, rather than topics covered at the very start of this thread,gone over again.

 

 

But since RetroGamer Magazine keeps getting mentioned, for the sake of clarity :

 

1.This was the topic that sparked off Kieren getting the RG work :

 

 

The bloody Lynx Zaku review and score:

 

https://atariage.com/forums/topic/159165-retro-gamer-are-a-joke/

 

https://forum.retrogamer.net/viewtopic.php?t=20255

 

Plus as the magazine editor made clear,nobody else wanted to write Atari articles for the magazine. 

 

2.We covered the issue of Kieren creating a fake user account on the RG magazine forum to praise his articles and try and get more work, the magazines editor promising a full and transparent investigation into this,which never happened, Kierens brother instead taking the hit and being banned.

 

https://forum.retrogamer.net/viewtopic.php?t=51773

 

The entire thing was swiftly brushed under the carpet.

 

3.Your not going to see current RG staff or freelancers making any public statements as Future Publishing will not allow it and ex-Freelancers have been approached,but do not wish to make any statements regarding Kieren.

 

It's really this simple.

 

 

I'd like to say I remember what that thread on RG was about as I was the one editing and banning people! But I can't... But I will say that at no point was there any sort of covering up going on over there as pretty much every member of the RG mods and staff couldn't stand Liardycuntflaps.

[Guest]

? Ok, well, from what I remember of it (and it is fuzzy) Darran / the forum had made a post about a recent issue. It was probably about the Megadrive. ?

 

KH ? jumped into the comments of it ranting off over lack of coverage of his beloved Atari. A few randoms waded in (and socks),  he goes on an over the top rant. It got pretty nasty at one point (if memory serves) with accusations of people at RG not knowing what they were doing... Plus a bias against Atari.

 

Comments may have then been removed.

___________

 

Next I know Kevin ? from Roland Rat ? is now popping up in RG on the regular.

 

___________

 

 Hands up, I stand corrected if I am wrong.

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I also have a feeling the on forum stuff spilt over into DMs (if KH's previous is anything to go by) and after a lot of ear-bashing Jones gave in and gave him something to shut him up. 

?️

What I really really do not understand is how the relative quality of his articles in RG does not translate to his gibberish ramblings of his 'books'.

?️
Do you think when Future took over they cleared house and told Jones to cut all ties with him. From my experience of Future from Amiga Format days onward, so many older titles, they built up a lot of goodwill and a decent rep for solid reliable info.

 

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Edit: Yeah so I went through all this, clearly the inciting incident was actually the release of Zaku for the Lynx but everything else I've said here holds true.

It did go off over there, come here, get nasty. DJ did get involved (as did other RG people) at both places and Kieren did get work out of it. Darran seemingly trying to appease and please everybody.

 

??? I'd like to reiterate that I have no issue with Jones (aside from a couple of issues of the mag where his boat gets more coverage than some of the games covered) and I think some of the changes that were brought about under his tenure were great ???

Edited March 20, 2020 by Guest
Amended after fact check. + Jones comment added

[Guest]

 

On 4/16/2010 at 11:58 PM, Darran@Retro Gamer said:

Wow people still have axes to grind. How sad.

Oh yeah...

On 4/16/2010 at 11:58 PM, Darran@Retro Gamer said:

Retro Gamer is put together based on the knowledge of the staff writing for it. As it stands, noone hardly ever shows any interest in pitching ideas about Atari or its consoles, which is why it has so little coverage in the magazine. As for Stuart. I've no idea why you'd just bring him up, but if you don't want to read the magazine because he occasionally appears in it then that's entirely your choice.

This is pretty ironic considering a lot of people have expressed that exact feeling vis-à-vis Kieren Hawken.

 

On 4/16/2010 at 11:58 PM, Darran@Retro Gamer said:

Sales have been continually increasing in the US over the last few months which is why I'm obviously keen on attracting freelancers who know the market place. If any of you think you can do a better job than what's in the magazine (and I still think we have far better coverage than you can get on the net in terms of developer interviews) then feel free to email me.

And a door opened up, the devil walked though and that was all she wrote. It took him more than 2 years to elbow his way through though...

 

 

[Lost Dragon]

@markopoloman:

 

From the linked thread;

 

stvd

Re: Recent problems

Post Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:50 am

[ps]
how long will this inquiry take and will the findings be made public?
PSJ has already stated that they "know who it was"??

 

----------------------------------------------------------------

 

Allow me to refresh your memory regarding PSJ.

 

PSJ was the one that broke the  legendary WOS story about Kieren and Steve Davis Snooker om here and RG forums. 

 

He also  had a habit of messaging me to ask about what Kieren had gotten wrong in each of his RG articles and he was the one that closed my RG forum account at my request and said i was welcome back at anytime. 

 

 

He then had a sudden change of personality it seems, never spoke up when Darran Jones was claiming i had been banned from the forum (i know he wouldn't allow me back, but i never had any plans to return) and on Retrocanteen PSJ was praising Kierens A to Z guides, saying he couldn't wait for new editions.

 

Not the same PSJ i knew and not sounding like someone who hated Kieren by any means, you don't praise, encourage and support someone you hate.

 

He wasn't the only RG (and RC mod) poster to suddenly have a change of heart towards Kieren in that direction either..Kieren was going to be dealt with, we just had to give Mods time.

 

What happened?  Retro Canteen founder gives up his own forum, rather than deal with the situation. 

 

And that investigation itself was brushed under the carpet, all quietly put to bed, Kieren reinstated, thread locked and forum users told to move on.

 

 

RVG have the freedom to detail their experiences with Kieren, RetroGamer magazine do not.

 

Let's leave it there.

 

The nonsense Kieren wrote in RG magazine and pulled on RG, RC and RVG forums is of little importance compared to what has come to light since and is trival compared to his targeted attacks on so many valued members of the Retro community and the theft of others material so he could establish himself. 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Lost Dragon

[fogartylee]

I don't think it was PSJ that exposed the Steve Davies stuff on here? He would have been part of the discussion though.

 

Most forum software records IP addresses, and for a lot of software, the IP address is shown next to the post only viewable by admins.

 

At the time, I was accused of getting Kieren fired - in a lengthy post he made pointing out he had kids to feed, etc.. I had no idea what was going on.

I contacted Darran to ask what I was being accused of, and he was very surprised. He was also very open about his issues with Kieren - certainly not holding back. He also pointed out that Kieren was never fired because he was a freelancer, and also he'd never been told he couldn't continue writing for the magazine, but he wasn't going to discuss the reasons for him being kicked from the forums, and it was certainly nothing to do with me.

 

So, I made contact with PSJ. At this point we hadn't seen or spoken to each other for years. So it was nice to get back in touch. He told me that he'd spotted that several accounts on RG were being posted from the same IP address, and this had been verified by the Future I.T. team prior to any action being taken.

 

Shortly afterwards, I got an email from Darran.

 

Quote

Hi. Just wanted to contact you to clear up some unfair comments I recently made about Kieren Hawken. In various instances I have made assertions that I now know I was wrong to. Kieren has been welcomed back into the Retro Gamer family and we are all ready to move on and focus on making the magazine better than ever. 

 

Kindest regards,

Darran

Following that was a facebook message saying he would discuss the matter no further.

I got the feeling at the time that Darran had "been got at".  His attitude seemed to change very rapidly from talkative to silence. I can't recall the timescales for any of this, but the email I got from Darran is dated 29/03/17.

I believe PSJ also quit as a moderator at the same time?

[+CyranoJ]

 

That aged well.

[Lost Dragon]

Regarding these points:

 

1)What I really really do not understand is how the relative quality of his articles in RG does not translate to his gibberish ramblings of his 'books'.

 

 

This is very straightforward. 

 

When a Freelancer submitted work to RG magazine, the editorial and art teams etc set to work on it.

 

Imagery sourced,  box out material added, content cut and grammar and punctuation checked. 

 

A freelancers submission was the raw material which the team processed and moulded into the finished article we saw in the magazine. 

 

 

Kieren with his A to Z guides doesn't have the resources of Future Publishing or Imagine Publishing and you see that reflected in his current work.

 

Also as has been stated many times before,the A to Z guides are what he wrote for RVG forum and others back in 2013 and earlier and he just makes corrections for the compedium versions after WE effectively proof read the A to Z guides for him,when we leave reviews and comments online pointing out everything he got wrong.

 

2)Do you think when Future took over they cleared house and told Jones to cut all ties with him. From my experience of Future from Amiga Format days onward, so many older titles, they built up a lot of goodwill and a decent rep for solid reliable info.

 

 

By the time Future Publishing purchased RetroGamer magazine, they had closed numerous publications in their existing portfolio and had an abundance of in-house staff to move to wherever they wanted (just as Imagine Publishing moved Darran Jones from Gamestm to RetroGamer magazine). 

 

It's plausible they no longer needed him, there equally might be many other reasons behind his termination, we will likely never know.

 

 

As annoying as it undoubtedly is for many to see Kieren on social media saying it was his decision to quit RG Magazine and one of the reasons was how they treat people like the computer Museum..it is just the beatings of a desperate man.

 

Kieren dreamed of becoming a full time writer with RG Magazine,  that and many other dreams of his have now turned to ash.

 

What's important from here on in is that he is pursued properly by those engaging with the police and solicitors over damage done to their reputations and personal health.. 

 

That others from the games industry and Retro community feel they too can add their experiences without fear of retaliation from Kieren. 

 

And that lessons are learnt and the community can go forward. 

 

He isn't going to apologise, or seek the professional help he so  badly needs..

 

He isn't sat on a mountain of evidence that could completely clear him of any blame and show him to be the victim of a well organised hate campaign against him.

 

And i suspect with so many struggling to come to grips with the horrific effects of the pandemic gripping everywhere at present, an awful lot of people are more concerned about what the future for them and their family holds, than coming forward about Kieren. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lost Dragon]

33 minutes ago, fogartylee said:

I don't think it was PSJ that exposed the Steve Davies stuff on here? He would have been part of the discussion though.

 

Most forum software records IP addresses, and for a lot of software, the IP address is shown next to the post only viewable by admins.

 

At the time, I was accused of getting Kieren fired - in a lengthy post he made pointing out he had kids to feed, etc.. I had no idea what was going on.

I contacted Darran to ask what I was being accused of, and he was very surprised. He was also very open about his issues with Kieren - certainly not holding back. He also pointed out that Kieren was never fired because he was a freelancer, and also he'd never been told he couldn't continue writing for the magazine, but he wasn't going to discuss the reasons for him being kicked from the forums, and it was certainly nothing to do with me.

 

So, I made contact with PSJ. At this point we hadn't seen or spoken to each other for years. So it was nice to get back in touch. He told me that he'd spotted that several accounts on RG were being posted from the same IP address, and this had been verified by the Future I.T. team prior to any action being taken.

 

Shortly afterwards, I got an email from Darran.

 

Following that was a facebook message saying he would discuss the matter no further.

I got the feeling at the time that Darran had "been got at".  His attitude seemed to change very rapidly from talkative to silence. I can't recall the timescales for any of this, but the email I got from Darran is dated 29/03/17.

I believe PSJ also quit as a moderator at the same time?

No idea if PSJ quit as a Moderator and it makes little difference to be blunt if he had.

 

He might well of just been involved in the Steve Davis Snooker discussion on Atari Age and then reported what was going on here on RG forum, but it doesn't change the fact he had a very abrupt behaviour change towards Kieren. 

 

He could of spoken up and said he had closed my account etc, but he made the decision not to do so.

 

 

He was a mere poster on Retrocanteen forum and again it was his choice to post praise for Kieren and his A to Z guides and say he couldn't wait for more instalments. 

 

All a far cry from messaging me each time a new issue of RG Magazine landed with an article from Kieren in it and could i tell him what Kieren had gotten wrong, so he could put it up on RG forum. 

 

 

Something clearly went down and only PSJ can explain why his attitude changed, but like i say, he was far from the only person. 

 

Many suddenly decided to give Kieren the benefit of the doubt and said what likes of myself and others were doing, issuing warnings about Kieren was disgraceful. 

 

 

How's them apples now I wonder? 

 

 

As for Kieren never being fired for the fake RG accounts, right and Darran was never subjected to some vile abuse on FB by anyone connected to Kieren at the time and yadda yadda yadda..none of it happened, nothing was to be discussed and a lot of FB and forum comments deleted. 

 

Once all the housecleaning done, a lot of attitudes suddenly changed and it was all team RG and Kieren was their Resident Atari Expert and people were not to hound him etc etc.

 

It's like something out of Robocop with Clarance spilling his guts about working for Dick Jones and Jones is OCP, OCP own the cops.

 

Darran like so many  of us, has a boss and that boss has a boss and that company has strict policies and rules you abide by if you wish to carry on working for that company. 

 

If your told to drop a subject and it is not to be discussed on social media, you drop it and don't discuss it.

 

 

 

But this is going nowhere and raking up old RG incidents and why we will never hear what really happened isn't helping resolve the very real damage done to Chris, Sarah,Hannah and so,so many others and that's all that matters.

 

RG took Kieren in, RG has to stand accountable. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Lost Dragon

[tomasparks]

25 minutes ago, Lost Dragon said:

No idea if PSJ quit as a Moderator and it makes little difference to be blunt if he had.

 

He might well of just been involved in the Steve Davis Snooker discussion on Atari Age and then reported what was going on here on RG forum, but it doesn't change the fact he had a very abrupt behaviour change towards Kieren. 

 

He could of spoken up and said he had closed my account etc, but he made the decision not to do so.

 

 

He was a mere poster on Retrocanteen forum and again it was his choice to post praise for Kieren and his A to Z guides and say he couldn't wait for more instalments. 

 

All a far cry from messaging me each time a new issue of RG Magazine landed with an article from Kieren in it and could i tell him what Kieren had gotten wrong, so he could put it up on RG forum. 

 

 

Something clearly went down and only PSJ can explain why his attitude changed, but like i say, he was far from the only person. 

 

Many suddenly decided to give Kieren the benefit of the doubt and said what likes of myself and others were doing, issuing warnings about Kieren was disgraceful. 

 

 

How's them apples now I wonder? 

 

 

As for Kieren never being fired for the fake RG accounts, right and Darran was never subjected to some vile abuse on FB by anyone connected to Kieren at the time and yadda yadda yadda..none of it happened, nothing was to be discussed and a lot of FB and forum comments deleted. 

 

Once all the housecleaning done, a lot of attitudes suddenly changed and it was all team RG and Kieren was their Resident Atari Expert and people were not to hound him etc etc.

 

It's like something out of Robocop with Clarance spilling his guts about working for Dick Jones and Jones is OCP, OCP own the cops.

 

Darran like so many  of us, has a boss and that boss has a boss and that company has strict policies and rules you abide by if you wish to carry on working for that company. 

 

If your told to drop a subject and it is not to be discussed on social media, you drop it and don't discuss it.

 

 

 

But this is going nowhere and raking up old RG incidents and why we will never hear what really happened isn't helping resolve the very real damage done to Chris, Sarah,Hannah and so,so many others and that's all that matters.

 

RG took Kieren in, RG has to stand accountable. 

the more a read about RG and Kieren, it sounds like lawyers got involved.

[Retrobob]

8 hours ago, ∞ Vince ∞ said:

What I really really do not understand is how the relative quality of his articles in RG does not translate to his gibberish ramblings of his 'books'.

LostDragon explained this better than I but it's basically editing. The byline on Kieran's final article in RG was telling, stating both Darren and Kieren.

 

1 hour ago, tomasparks said:

the more a read about RG and Kieren, it sounds like lawyers got involved.

Perhaps... also don't forget that Future a big company, there's also the policies/HR component that might be involved as well that might prevent people from being as open as they might otherwise be. I know for sure that what I would write publically about people I've worked with, in a work context, is very different to what I'd write about in other arenas.

[Guest]

To be fair, Lost, I was only mentioning this/that whole thing in passing in summary.

I was making a clear point about how DJ must have had a good idea of what was coming down the pipe due to all of that. Perhaps what happened was, after his brother got booted and K insisted it wasn't him, Darren then felt guilty and therefore offered him to do something as a reward for not being a twat all over the forum in future.

 

Who knows.

I wonder what time today his retrogamerssuck account pops up. I note he never put 'retrogamersucks' which is probably what he wanted to put but he knows if he does that he can't also claim the credibility of having worked for them.

Speak of the devil.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Retrobob said:

LostDragon explained this better than I but it's basically editing. The byline on Kieran's final article in RG was telling, stating both Darren and Kieren.

In the real world 'Bob' a journalist should have a basic grasp of the Queen's English and be able to construct cohesive sentences. In the retro world it seems being able to shout the loudest load of bollocks is a suitable substitute. Laird, don't make me laugh... 

 

Musical interlude.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Retrobob said:

Perhaps... also don't forget that Future a big company, there's also the policies/HR component that might be involved as well that might prevent people from being as open as they might otherwise be. I know for sure that what I would write publicly about people I've worked with, in a work context, is very different to what I'd write about in other arenas.

Hmmmm. Interesting. I spoke to a Bob the other day in relation to Kieren Hawkens.

[Guest]

 

I wouldn't care if I were scrutinised because aside from a handful of subjectively offensive / choice things I may have said over on facebark, I don't have anything to hide; hence my username being my actual real world name.

The boy Kizza knows who I am, but I am not a big cog in his game, merely a fairly knowledgeable observer.

?

Some of you people are drawn in very dark shades of grey. I don't know if you deserve the right to wade in on the boy kizza after some of the stunts you yourselves have pulled, but that isn't down to me, so I won't pull that particular thread.

______________

The boy Hawken's twitter has not popped back up yet, I would love to think Twatter finally nailed him for all the messed up shit he did over there, but sadly Poppy is still in the wild, so that nixes that hopeful wish.

[psj3809_new]

Seeing as I got dragged into this !!!

 

i first knew Kieran from the Steve Davis snooker thread on WOS. Found it unbelievable and took the piss tons. If he had just said yeah I messed up then fair enough but he didn’t. 
 

I then met Kieran in person at one of the Play Expos and I’ll hold my hand up. Had a great chat. In person meeting sooo many people is so much better than getting wound up over forum posts. When you meet someone you can have a proper chat and that

 

Anyway I can’t ignore all the crap over the years. The way he gets so wound up on the RG forum about negative Atari stuff or threads about the lynx was the best handheld ever were ridiculous. Seeing him banned from forum after forum makes you think hold on a mo !! Maybe there is more to it than just that

 

Over on retro gamer I just deleted spam and ‘kitchen aoplicances’ spam. Any ‘big’ heated things I would leave and let Darren or RG staff sort it. Ilm still a nod now but all I do is deleted spam accounts. It’s very quiet there 

 

LostDragon used to email me a fair bit and point out issues with kierens work. However I’m a casual RG reader. Love the mag but if there’s an issue about a game being released in 1982 not 1981 I don’t give a monkeys. Some stuff LostDragon raised I just dont care about. Granted there must be mistakes to Kieron’s work but half of it I’m not fussed by. 
 

As for his small a-z’s I didn’t mind them I admit. They reminded me of my speccy books I was part of. Eg not totally professional but seeing an old game or a screenshot takes me back. I didn’t mind them at all. Granted there seems to be issues with them but the 6 or so I bought I didn’t mind at all. People could go through the speccy books and find I’m sure mistakes etc. All seems a bit over the top. 
 

There was an incident on the RG forum where a new user appeared and praised kierens articles. It was so fake. I checked the IP address and it was the same as kierens. It matched. So I told Darren. If a new user appeared praising Graeme masons articles and I found out it was the same IP I would tell Darren. I wasn’t picking on Kieran. I would have done the same for any writer I’d a stupid over the top post appeared from a newbie. 
 

Kieren wasn’t happy and Daren went away and did whatever he did. Maybe he gave him one final chance. For a while he wasn’t writing for the mag. I Think he made out he never knew this other user and Darren gave him one last chance I think

 

But I keep out of that side. I just report on dodgy accounts or delete spam.

 

i then posted about kierens books at retro canteen. And yeah looking back I may have praised them a bit too much. I admit I don’t mind them still as I’m a casual retro fan. Again some of the stuff LostDragon reported I didn’t care about. It seemed a bit OTT as he was emailing me tons about issues about kierens work. I didn’t care 

 

there’s nothing dodgy going on just for once I’ve taken a step back from retro gaming the last few years. Concentrated on proper life issues. If kierens a-z guide has mistakes I don’t care. I bought the digital versions for 99p it was it 1.99. 
 

Kieren doesn’t help himself. He never admits he’s wrong. I think he did finally to get fair about Steve Davis snooker. Think he was embarrassed but for years he didn’t apologise. Everything people has raised about kieren I can’t beleive are all fake. WY too much stuff being reported. Instead of holding his hands up and saying I messed up he released that crazy PDF. He’ll never admit he’s wrong which is a shame 

 

I messaged him on Facebook (I’m not friends but just a message) saying I hope he’s okay. Again he’s messed up big time but some of the people on this thread (LoatDragon) are posting like a crazy person. Messaged over and over and over picking up on a missed full stop there or a typo etc. Very very OCD like and obsessive about the whole situation. 
 

it’s a shame the the retro world has issues like this whether it’s the vega or people moaning about RG or Kieren. Crazy. I love retro shows. Meet so many good people. Maybe I’ve aged a bit (granted a tough recent divorce might be one reason !) but I read half of this stuff and I can’t be arsed to be honest. 
 

I’m not mates with kieren but some of the constant attacks are bad. Have a moan about him then leave it. But some people on this thread go on and on and on !! Just leave it. Kierens fucked up big time. He won’t ever get back to his number of subscribers or views. 
 

But I had to post as people are now talking shite about me. They have bad memories and add 1 + 1 and are getting 3. There’s no mysteries out there or secret groups about this and that. I liked his books as again I’m a casual fan. I won’t get upset if I spot an issue with one of them. Some of the things people have highlighted in his books are laughable. They say Kieren has Aspergers. Sounds like many other people are autistic as well the tiny issues they’re finding 

 

So until my name was dragged into his I was just at a distance as to be honest I’ve got bigger things to worry about. Kieren fucked up. That’s it. Move on 

 

Cheers all. Happy to buy whoever a pint at the next retro show. Even if I have an argument with someone here I know in person it’s all good. A drink and a chat etc solved any silly online bickering 

 

psj3809

 

[Landstalker]

2 hours ago, ∞ Vince ∞ said:

 

I wouldn't care if I were scrutinised because aside from a handful of subjectively offensive / choice things I may have said over on facebark, I don't have anything to hide; hence my username being my actual real world name.

The boy Kizza knows who I am, but I am not a big cog in his game, merely a fairly knowledgeable observer.

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Some of you people are drawn in very dark shades of grey. I don't know if you deserve the right to wade in on the boy kizza after some of the stunts you yourselves have pulled, but that isn't down to me, so I won't pull that particular thread.

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The boy Hawken's twitter has not popped back up yet, I would love to think Twatter finally nailed him for all the messed up shit he did over there, but sadly Poppy is still in the wild, so that nixes that hopeful wish.

A tad harsh there. We don't really need bickering in the ranks, that's Kieren's raison d'etre, so you're merely sinking to his level and doing his job for him, so let's all play nice.

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Alright guys, I was just given mod powers for this forum, so I cleaned up this thread a little. Please keep all discussions in this thread on target and focused on the subject. Whatever other issues you have with other members of the community, please take those issues somewhere else. This thread is not the place for them.