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35 minutes ago, Landstalker said:

OK, perhaps I am looking in all the wrong places.
Apparently the truth is out there. 
Playing devil's advocate on this one here. No hidden agenda, no snide asides.
Has anyone seen "the evidence" as is mentioned here in their daily roaming through twitter?
 

If he had proof, he would've posted it instead of deflecting by vaguely telling people to search on Twitter. There simply is no proof on Twitter. This is just yet another attempt to deflect blame from himself.

 

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well he has tried (again) to frame me for his bullshit with emails etc to people lately, and based on recent communications he's attempted with his victims it looks like he's probably trying to do the same again. He's an absolute fucking bullshitter. I suppose all his pm's etc of hate and bile about people were invented, too? an absolute moron. No-one supports or believes him, he's full of shit and will soon have to show his "proof" to the police as well as having all of the accounts investigated across social media who will have to submit full ip logging etc.

 

his troll accounts were absolutely obvious and continue to be !

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1 hour ago, Landstalker said:

OK, perhaps I am looking in all the wrong places.
Apparently the truth is out there. 
Playing devil's advocate on this one here. No hidden agenda, no snide asides.
Has anyone seen "the evidence" as is mentioned here in their daily roaming through twitter?
 

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why does he say this absolute shit ? there is ZERO proof that he hasn't been behind the things everyone knows he's responsible for and the police will check all that too. no-one stood by him and no-one gave him support save for people who are unfortunate enough to not know what kind of a person this is. also multiple pieces of evidence were shown against him so i am not sure where he pulls this from. does he genuinely think people are so fucking stupid as to just go "oh okay kieren lets have things go back to "where they were" (who would want that btw ?)" 

there is no closure on this it is an open, festering wound. 

 

of course people can pm him as that is where he does his work talking bullshit away from the public. i see zero on twitter about this. once again constructing a bizarre and completely farcical reality for himself wherein he is right and everyone else is wrong. not this time. never again. 

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thanks for posting your information there simon as i can send that to the lawyer too. this man is a deranged idiot and if no-one else will put a stop to him then i will, as i have said already. i've already dealt with "wave 1" of his bullshit during which multiple people posted masses of cast iron fact about his bullshitting behind the scenes so frankly another wave will be nothing to deal with. the police and legal people will handle this now and hopefully they can make twitter, facebook and youtube reveal their ip logs and if this is the case then he will be done for harassment and defamation and may well be financially liable for damaging several peoples livelihood (not mine as i dont really have one)

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at this juncture he is going out of his way to ruin his own life. when i mentioned getting in touch with the police his bullshit twitter account/s ran for cover but that does not matter it is all stored with twitter and as i said last week what does he expect everyone to believe, that someone repeatedly breaks into his house to make sockpuppet accounts before spewing bile at everyone in the community before letting themselves out and doing the same thing again 10 minutes later. the man is a compulsive liar and an absolute idiot. he is finished in the community and once my lawyer and the police catch up with him he will not legally be able to mention the names of anyone he has been bothering or he will be in even hotter water. i have fucking had enough of this asshole and he is now in full damage control mode but the major damage is yet to arrive on his doorstep in the form of legal papers and the police. 

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I disagree completely that his statement contained "tons of evidence", feeling it merely attempted to deflect attention toward others and away from Kieren.
I do not know what is actually meant by "tons of evidence", evidence of what? Evidence to disprove all allegations? Because if that is the underlying meaning then, in all honesty and with no malice I can state, with a clear conscience that this is not the case at all.
The 15 page PDF and this is universally agreed by anyone with the tenacity and/or patience to read through it in its entirety, contains not one shred of evidence of any kind to disprove anything said prior to its publication.
It is, to repeat an attempt at deflection.
It is filled with a wild and seemingly random collection of "facts" about the scurrilous behaviour of Kieren's detractors and/or those who claim to have been a victim of his less-than-acceptable behaviour.

My reason for writing this and potentially further posts is because I have found this entire issue one of great interest and one which is, at times, beyond belief.

My initial anger at the claims that one person had waged a decade and a half series of attacks, with libelous and slanderous claims, had indulged in misappropriation of other people's property to include in or claim as his own, has faded somewhat.
If these claims are indeed completely factual, and to date there has been nothing shown to dispatch this belief or even shake the foundations of their truthfulness, then this thread and others cannot be seen as being unfair, inappropriate or in any way an attack.
If no proof exists to discredit all that is listed here then claims of bullying and/or harassment are as fallacious as every other statement Kieren has made throughout his "career".
I approached Kieren on his Facebook page, knowing full well he could either ignore me, or take me to task for comments I have made here and elsewhere regarding him and his "supposed infractions". (My parentheses, not his.)
He accuses me, as you can see above of "trolling" him.
I see it as simply a direct approach that he should not be ashamed or afraid of dealing with in the public arena if he is as innocent as he claims.
This way his supporters and/followers will see his accusers discredited and Kieren exonerated.

Regardless, his comments, seen above are as vague as one has come to expect from Kieren, with prevarication and obfuscation; always dancing around a direct answer and rarely, if ever sticking to the point.
So, I have messaged him, as requested.
I am awaiting his reply.

"You really need to be able to back up your statements. You claim to be a journalist. So act like one. Get facts to underline all claims you make in the public arena.
Simply saying you have been exonerated and that the truth is out there (I'm paraphrasing), is pointless. This is what you have done since time immemorial. You KNOW that to be true.
If you are so bitterly outraged at the behaviour of the community in general and myself and others in particular, then you need to be able to show us the error of our ways and words with irrefutable evidence.
I will stand by my assertions as I can show proof of what I have gone on record with in this fiasco. I have access to seemingly limitless hard proof which could be even more damning should you persist in the attacks that people have claimed you have performed over a prolonged period.
Note I am erring on the side of caution, rather than simply insult you further as you do seem to take offence very easily, yet on the occasions when you have used your own name have slung the mud with some considerable force with no compunction at all.
But that is not the issue. Who said what and when is the entire basis of the whole problem, and not the one we are discussing here.
You claim to have undeniable proof, proof that exists "all over Twitter" and say that "it's not hard to find." Well I must not be a social media expert, as I cannot find anything that proves anyone was trolling you, that anyone has duped the community with fake accounts or that you are innocent of the accusations to date?
The onus is on you to show your detractors their failings, to prove without a shadow of doubt that you are as innocent as you claim and to prove irrevocably that someone else, person X or whoever is behind some malign plot to disparage you and bring your career in tatters around your ears.
Just saying ok?"

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"I suggest looking at the @leefogarty account for a start"

 

Are Hitler and Stalin working together or is one just sticking his dick in the other's bucket?

 

Oh and I wasn't asking you Stalin, so don't bother replying.

 

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14 minutes ago, namco said:

"I suggest looking at the @leefogarty account for a start"

 

Are Hitler and Stalin working together or is one just sticking his dick in the other's bucket?

 

Oh and I wasn't asking you Stalin, so don't bother replying.

 

More like 2 lying scumbags working towards the same goal which is to discredit George Cropper, a man who"s only crime is to call out both scumbags. And instead of admitting their mistakes and making amends they are focussing thier efforts on bringing George down.

A couple of piss poor pantomime villains 

 

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well my lawyer will be interested to see his evidence as the onus is on him to prove his allegations and i have recently taken receipt of an email containing all kinds of spurious claims and cast iron defamation and lies relating to myself and my business so in all honesty if he cannot prove these claims with fact (he cannot because they are all bullshit and i can guarantee this unless i have been making all these accounts i'm supposedly behind in my sleep) then he will have to pay financial compensation for willfully damaging my reputation and that of my business in the community and my lawyer will 100% push for this to the fullest extent of uk law. he will be called to high court to account for his behaviour. it's as simple as that and i wash my hands of him now as it is in the hands of specialists in dealing with this kind of nonsense. 

i am behind none of the "troll" accounts he accuses me of and i have not even heard of half of them and i have also forwarded the information to the others he has accused of being behind them who were as surprised as i was. this is not looking good for him at all and my lawyers are confident that this is an easy win, it is just a matter of deciding how much they will go after him for as the list is very long.

 

you cannot fabricate the truth. the truth is what it is and both relating to this situation and as a concept in general it is clearly something that mr hawken is completely divorced from. that is his folly and the very childish hobby of making things up should have stopped in childhood. taking it on with him into adulthood has now done him a very major disservice. 

 

i will most likely no longer be commenting on this post but people will most assuredly hear updates on the situation on social media as and when there is progress. at the moment with the coronavirus situation things will no doubt move slowly but as soon as it is possible i will pursue him under the fullest extents of uk law and he WILL be made to answer for his crimes, as he is fully in the realm of confirmed criminal behaviour now. 

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So this is one of the reviews out there on the webs done by

ataricompendium.com so I think it is fair to reproduce it here.

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 A Compendium of Atari 2600 Games
        Hawken, Kieren

1-789-82130-4; AG Books; July 10, 2019; $14.99; 168p; PB.  Notes: The book notes it's unofficial and unauthorized.  It should also note that it's uninformed and unnecessary.  The back cover starts with "The Atari 2600 might not have been the first ever games console."  There's no "might" about it; it wasn't the first.  It also states "The first game arrived in 1977 with the last being released in 1992, an incredible 15 years later."  Well, the first games arrived in 1977 - 9 of them - and exactly 0 games were released in 1992, since the system was discontinued on January 1st, 1992.  The cover also notes this is the first volume.  If the rest of the book is as disjointed and incorrect as the back cover, this should be the first and last volume.  Much like books from Michael D. Salzman, Kieren Hawken is trying to capitalize on people's interest in vintage console and computer systems.  Hawken is responsible for over 30 (!) quickly thrown-together books, all of which were released within a year's time.  Most of his books are available as Kindle versions for $2.50 - $3, and they're not even worth that.

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Previously on this channel I made an allusion to the fact that Kieren ripped of the whole concept for all his A-Zs from a book that was put out in 2013 by Justin Kyle.

 

The A-Z of the Atari 2600: Volume 1

Justin Kyle (2013)

 

 

Kyle put his book out in 2013. 

 

Having just arrived through the post (paperback) and having had a brief flip through it, I can confirm that the layout and style is pretty similar,

with a main image and the review summary. Though the Kyle book uses an image of the Box above the main text of each review and then uses good sized in game images as well.

 

It has that, I wrote this in word and imported the pics (same as KH) feel about it (because lets face it neither of them has a fucking clue how to use inDesign)

 

The Kyle book acknowledges both the author of the game specifically and the publisher/copyright holder at the time of release. Something Hawken's doesn't.

 

The book also features a list of the top ten best selling titles as well as a Q&A with Nolan Bushnell halfway through, which I thought was a very nice touch.

 

It seems to have most of the big titles released covered (about 45?) and I couldn't spot any glaring omissions.

 

This seems to be the book Kizza wanted but failed to reproduce with his special brand of incompetence. Might be worth a look.

 

He got a copy of this book and went 'I could do that!' and he did, badly.

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I'm looking forward to Mr K being judge in a court of law for all his misdeeds

 

PS: my RG mags are all gone, I've got the RG coverdisc and RG emag DVDs to go

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2 hours ago, Total Eclipse said:

Aaaaand, it looks like the AtariFan twitter account is gone again. Damn those "hackers" 😂 

It's like psychological dominoes. Anything semi-serious and potentially true results in a swift albeit brief vanishing.

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1 hour ago, Landstalker said:

It's like psychological dominoes. Anything semi-serious and potentially true results in a swift albeit brief vanishing.

I think he is more like an addict. He knows all this is no good for him. But he keeps coming back and every time he does

he's right back into it all.

 

Another fix. People are talking about me! Big whoop. Notoriety is no acknowledgement of doing anything worthy.

 

You've been found to be a right royal dickhead, and, however much you try to play it different the dice will always roll the same.

 

I've said it about myself, social media is not good for a lot of people and I for one feel 100% leaving it alone, and I didn't have any pages, youtube, twitter or people I had called a talentless cunt to worry about. And she forgave him !

 

Fuck me the rich irony of such comments. 

 

As much as he protests otherwise, this is emotionally giving him a kicking. Mentally it can be absolutely no good for him.

 

I'm fully in the camp that he went well over the line and deserves everything he now gets but it doesn't make it any less true.

 

Oh and I spoke to someone re The Laird / Laird of Forsyth gabber he has been putting about since day 1, about his uncle being Alistair Forsyth the head of the clan.

 

Whatever that currently means in the year 2020. They lost their castle a very long while ago...

 

Anyway the guy I spoke to did confirm Alistair was Chief but he had never heard of a Kieren W Hawken in all of his puff.
So there's that.
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NB: did you know by purchasing a very small very cheap parcel of land, you legally get the right to call yourself 'Laird'. Laird has never actually been fully synonymous with the word Lord in Scotland.

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Highland Titles don't mean pish in this day and age and can be purchased online for a fee.

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I'm not saying the Forsyths don't have a long nay colourful history, they do. In Ulster, Scotland, Canada;

as do my ancestors, but KH's part in such a rich tapestry is very much in doubt. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Radio silence so far, which isn't overly surprising.
But never one to shy from a challenge, I opened the channels of communication for a second time.
I'm not holding my breath for a different result, but stranger things have happened.

"

Self isolating or merely not planning on replying?
My comments were, I felt, honest and fairly unbiased for the most part.
They were semi-neutral, i.e. inoffensive and you should be capable of answering some if not all of the issues raised therein.
If, as you say, you have proof to counter the claims of your critics. Not deflect, or shoot off at random unrelated tangents, but stay directly on point for each "accusation" and demolish it with hard, unequivocal evidence to the contrary, leaving said "accuser" and others in no doubt of the veracity of your counter-argument.
Running, and hiding, which is how your actions seem every time you are confronted, smacks of guilt and/or having something to hide at the very least.
Even if you stand up to only one of your nemeses and bring to bear the full weight of your unalloyed and irrefutable evidence, surely that is something within your grasp?
Time and again, you denounce us all as bullies and protest your lack of involvement in all attacks on members of the community, be they personal or psychological. Yet you seem unwilling or perhaps unable to manifest the evidence that would reverse popular opinion and shame those you claim are part of some single-minded, malignant and tightly-run cabal, with ringleaders and more.
It all seems quite, ridiculous when you say it out loud.
A conspiracy theory to sit alongside flat-earthers and the Freemasons.
To believe a group of people have somehow banded together to destroy your career is simply deluded. Very Machiavellian.
Those who have posted on Atari Age are saying they have had experiences with you, because of you, due to your involvement or behaviour that has been less than enjoyable is we want to put a slightly more palatable slant on things to avoid any further offense.
You say, every single post is an untruth, a fabrication solely intended out of spite and/or jealousy or simple childish malice. Yet nowhere do you bring out anything that can support this assertion. You attempted to turn the spotlight onto the postings of Mr Fogarty, who if community scuttlebutt is to be believed would not be anyone's first choice as a reliable source for concrete and unswerving honesty.
As already brought to your attention, his posts were all about George Cropper and his secret identity. Nowhere was there a mention of you or anything even vaguely related to you or anything you have been associated with.
So how this can be categorised as inconclusive proof is puzzling at best.
Anyway, I can only say that I, for one would be more than willing to eat humble pie if you can prove your critics wrong, that you did not say terrible things to Octavius Kitten (Sarah), that you did not manipulate her into believing that others had spoken terribly about her behind her back, that you have never made transphobic comments or accused people unfairly and with potentially hand-made documents attempted to show they had accessed your bank account and removed funds illegally. None of what I have said here should be shocking or new to you if, as you say, both you and your local police force have read each and every post in the Atari Age thread, so you cannot be hurt or offended because you do say that "I stand by my own words and the fact that I am 100% innocent of the vast majority of things I've been accused of."
Not all, I hasten to point out, but a majority.
Are you willing to share with us the small minority of things that you are guilty of?
Please, show some spine and face your accusers.
You say, time and time again that you have nothing to apologise for, so prove it.
Show us the error of our ways.
Prove us wrong.
It is as simple and as black and white as that.

One final note, this time round anyway.
Everyone deserves a fair shake, a chance to exonerate themselves.
I could easily damn you, as others seem to have done so already, without hearing your side of the story.
You should stand and/or fall on your own merits.
Some would say that is exactly what has brought us to this juncture.
Your words can set you free of your accusers or seal your fate, but silence and reluctance to face those you would paint you black is the most damning of all.
Hiding behind trauma, real or imagined, illness and or psychological problems is no excuse.
None of these issues make people behave badly.
"I'm misunderstood, that's why I called person X a god-forsaken XX%^$£!"
That just won't fly.
You are the only person who can set this issue straight, if you want to and most importantly if, as you repeatedly insist, you can.
I'm playing devil's advocate here. Stepping off my soapbox and giving you the opportunity to put this matter to rest once and for all.
Refusal, or inability to do so will only serve as a damning indictment and be seen as an admission of guilt, by those for whom your guilt is virtually undeniable. Step up Kieren."

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18 minutes ago, Landstalker said:

Radio silence so far, which isn't overly surprising.
But never one to shy from a challenge, I opened the channels of communication for a second time.
I'm not holding my breath for a different result, but stranger things have happened.

"

Self isolating or merely not planning on replying?
My comments were, I felt, honest and fairly unbiased for the most part.
They were semi-neutral, i.e. inoffensive and you should be capable of answering some if not all of the issues raised therein.
If, as you say, you have proof to counter the claims of your critics. Not deflect, or shoot off at random unrelated tangents, but stay directly on point for each "accusation" and demolish it with hard, unequivocal evidence to the contrary, leaving said "accuser" and others in no doubt of the veracity of your counter-argument.
Running, and hiding, which is how your actions seem every time you are confronted, smacks of guilt and/or having something to hide at the very least.
Even if you stand up to only one of your nemeses and bring to bear the full weight of your unalloyed and irrefutable evidence, surely that is something within your grasp?
Time and again, you denounce us all as bullies and protest your lack of involvement in all attacks on members of the community, be they personal or psychological. Yet you seem unwilling or perhaps unable to manifest the evidence that would reverse popular opinion and shame those you claim are part of some single-minded, malignant and tightly-run cabal, with ringleaders and more.
It all seems quite, ridiculous when you say it out loud.
A conspiracy theory to sit alongside flat-earthers and the Freemasons.
To believe a group of people have somehow banded together to destroy your career is simply deluded. Very Machiavellian.
Those who have posted on Atari Age are saying they have had experiences with you, because of you, due to your involvement or behaviour that has been less than enjoyable is we want to put a slightly more palatable slant on things to avoid any further offense.
You say, every single post is an untruth, a fabrication solely intended out of spite and/or jealousy or simple childish malice. Yet nowhere do you bring out anything that can support this assertion. You attempted to turn the spotlight onto the postings of Mr Fogarty, who if community scuttlebutt is to be believed would not be anyone's first choice as a reliable source for concrete and unswerving honesty.
As already brought to your attention, his posts were all about George Cropper and his secret identity. Nowhere was there a mention of you or anything even vaguely related to you or anything you have been associated with.
So how this can be categorised as inconclusive proof is puzzling at best.
Anyway, I can only say that I, for one would be more than willing to eat humble pie if you can prove your critics wrong, that you did not say terrible things to Octavius Kitten (Sarah), that you did not manipulate her into believing that others had spoken terribly about her behind her back, that you have never made transphobic comments or accused people unfairly and with potentially hand-made documents attempted to show they had accessed your bank account and removed funds illegally. None of what I have said here should be shocking or new to you if, as you say, both you and your local police force have read each and every post in the Atari Age thread, so you cannot be hurt or offended because you do say that "I stand by my own words and the fact that I am 100% innocent of the vast majority of things I've been accused of."
Not all, I hasten to point out, but a majority.
Are you willing to share with us the small minority of things that you are guilty of?
Please, show some spine and face your accusers.
You say, time and time again that you have nothing to apologise for, so prove it.
Show us the error of our ways.
Prove us wrong.
It is as simple and as black and white as that.

One final note, this time round anyway.
Everyone deserves a fair shake, a chance to exonerate themselves.
I could easily damn you, as others seem to have done so already, without hearing your side of the story.
You should stand and/or fall on your own merits.
Some would say that is exactly what has brought us to this juncture.
Your words can set you free of your accusers or seal your fate, but silence and reluctance to face those you would paint you black is the most damning of all.
Hiding behind trauma, real or imagined, illness and or psychological problems is no excuse.
None of these issues make people behave badly.
"I'm misunderstood, that's why I called person X a god-forsaken XX%^$£!"
That just won't fly.
You are the only person who can set this issue straight, if you want to and most importantly if, as you repeatedly insist, you can.
I'm playing devil's advocate here. Stepping off my soapbox and giving you the opportunity to put this matter to rest once and for all.
Refusal, or inability to do so will only serve as a damning indictment and be seen as an admission of guilt, by those for whom your guilt is virtually undeniable. Step up Kieren."

That challenge to him is far, far too long. You need to be more direct. Just say to him "give me a direct link to the evidence". That's it. You've got to focus on one thing and you're not doing that. The point you're making is lost in the size of the message. 

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Also worth noting that the kieren hawken lies video is blocked on yt in UK again due to a privacy complaint. 

 

Sure sounds like he's trying to hide stuff, the true sign of an innocent man

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2 hours ago, Spector said:

That challenge to him is far, far too long. You need to be more direct. Just say to him "give me a direct link to the evidence". That's it. You've got to focus on one thing and you're not doing that. The point you're making is lost in the size of the message. 

At first I thought if the questions were posted here, he won’t answer them because he’ll assume they will also be posted here, but in fact that would be the best thing he could do as it will exonerate him. So Kieren, as you are probably reading this, post a direct link to the evidence, which you claim will absolve you of the majority of the claims.

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