+Vorticon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Sid1968 said: Yes i know that, but you would have to add that manually to retropie while ti99sim does it via RetroPieSetup. Adding something manually would overcharge the most users. You see that this topic even overcharges some forummembers. I'm not sure this is a valid assumption. After all this is a retro forum dealing with a prehistoric computer system that is anything but straightforward in operation or set up, and I don't see too many "overcharged" people wildly running around tearing their hair out and screaming hysterically. Given the context, IMHO, I think most users will be just fine entering a couple or so text commands at a command prompt ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gw454 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) I've find this thread interesting as I like to see great projects like this run natively in Linux. As Tursi (and Greg) has mentioned, Classic99 was developed specifically for use with Windows and it doesn't use the necessary platform independent libraries that allow for an easy port. That being said, sometimes Windows projects like this can be successfully compiled using the Mono development environment: https://www.mono-project.com/ While it doesn't create a completely native Linux port, it gets it a bit closer. Even if it did work, it's important to note that even this may not be ideal for a lower performance Raspberry Pi as compared to an actual PC. Oh and let me be clear that I'm not trying to add more work on Tursi's plate. Edited February 25, 2020 by mr_gw454 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 1:02 AM, Sid1968 said: Thank you for that information, Mate. Why should that project have been on your list... till now? I understand that. You people really shouldnt underestimate the Raspberry PI with its famous platform RetroPie. Both are VERY VERY popular and would be a big chance to make classic99 available for thousands of users. Tursi, you spend consistently time on your project classic99 to keep it updated. Thanx for that. That shows your interest in that project. Please think about a linuxversion. I bet that the linuxversion would be used by muuuuuuch more people than the windowsversion, because of retropie. This would be a very good advertising for the TI-99/4A too, because it shows that it is still alive. You once already showed that by publishing Dragons Lair, so please do it again Buddy. ? Cheers Sid I really don't understand the persistent argument "more people would use it if..." .. the people who use it already are already a pain in the butt! Who wants MORE? [j/k] I wrote Classic99 for me. I maintain it for me. Because I actually USE it to get the tasks I want to do done. If you find it useful, that's awesome, I like to help, but I run Windows and I have better things to do. I don't like Linux as a development environment, and I write quite enough code for it at work. I have a todo list. Classic99 4.0 is not at the top of it. But I've been thinking about it for many years, so asking me to think about it isn't changing anything. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 9 hours ago, mr_gw454 said: That being said, sometimes Windows projects like this can be successfully compiled using the Mono development environment: https://www.mono-project.com/ While it doesn't create a completely native Linux port, it gets it a bit closer. Even if it did work, it's important to note that even this may not be ideal for a lower performance Raspberry Pi as compared to an actual PC. Unfortunately, Classic99 isn't a .NET app, and I've looked at what it would take to compile it for dotnet, and I don't think it's trivial. Mono itself is pretty heavyweight too, I used it to run an app on my Linux platform at work. It worked, but installed a lot more than I wanted. It's not as nice a solution as a product that just compiles both ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) I spoke too soon, at least with the latest version of Wine... It works, but the display doesn't update correctly. I take it all back. Sorry, friends.... EDIT: 8 minutes later - I "figured" it out... Have to set stretch mode to DX or DX Full. The other modes don't work so well. Edited February 26, 2020 by unhuman Better info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, unhuman said: EDIT: 8 minutes later - I "figured" it out... Have to set stretch mode to DX or DX Full. The other modes don't work so well. Probably obsolete options now... but back in the day, some video drivers actually blit faster using GDI than with DirectX, so I made it available. These days it really needs to all be running through D3D 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senior_falcon Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, unhuman said: I spoke too soon, at least with the latest version of Wine... It works, but the display doesn't update correctly. I take it all back. Sorry, friends.... EDIT: 8 minutes later - I "figured" it out... Have to set stretch mode to DX or DX Full. The other modes don't work so well. Can you Paste XB? If so, how did you get it to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdorman Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, senior_falcon said: Can you Paste XB? If so, how did you get it to work? I think I have Paste XB working on my Fedora Linux wine/classic99 setup. I open classic99 my running "wine start /unix /home/myname/classic99/classic99.exe" Doing that allows me to get to the DSKs folders properly. I opened notepad which is the Microsoft notepad. I typed text in there and copied and pasted to XB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhodes Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Some linux text editors like Genie, Pluma, and Gedit support saving a file with windows (or even mac) line endings. If you enter your program as you want it, save it with windows line endings, and then re-open and copy/paste from that file, it should work. Have not tried that, as i gave up trying to make Classic99 work with Wine. Now i run classic99 through a Windows XP VitrualBox VM on my linux setup. Edited February 26, 2020 by jrhodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyDean Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I have had Classic99 working on one of my Mac's with wine, but haven't played with it much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) On 2/26/2020 at 2:22 AM, Tursi said: I really don't understand the persistent argument "more people would use it if..." .. the people who use it already are already a pain in the butt! Who wants MORE? [j/k] I wrote Classic99 for me. I maintain it for me. Because I actually USE it to get the tasks I want to do done. If you find it useful, that's awesome, I like to help, but I run Windows and I have better things to do. I don't like Linux as a development environment, and I write quite enough code for it at work. I have a todo list. Classic99 4.0 is not at the top of it. But I've been thinking about it for many years, so asking me to think about it isn't changing anything. I love you Tursi and if you would be a woman i would marry you... Time seems to be the main problem... hmm... let me share some nuggets of wisdom with you. If you follow them you will save up to 37 hours a day... i promise.... 1. Dont eat vegetables 2. Dont waist time with washing yourself or anybody else... 3. Dont waist time with friends/family 4. Dont waist time with sleeping 5. Dont waist time with breathing Your humble servant Sid ? Edited March 1, 2020 by Sid1968 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Mizapf it would be interesting how you would integrate mame for Ti-99/4 into RetroPie. The integration runs via the es_systems.cfg. For ti99sim it looks like this: <system> <name>ti99</name> <fullname>TI99</fullname> <path>/mnt/hdd/roms/ti99sim</path> <extension>.ctg .CTG</extension> <command>/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh 0 _SYS_ ti99 %ROM%</command> <platform>ti99</platform> <theme>ti99</theme> <directlaunch/> </system> Explanation: /mnt/hdd/roms/ti99sim = The folder where the games are. /opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh 0 _SYS_ ti99 %ROM% This is the startcommand. If Parsec would be choosen in the RetroPie Menu %ROM% = Parsec.ctg In case of mame i tried this but it wont run: <system> <name>ti99</name> <fullname>TI99</fullname> <path>/opt/mame/carts</path> <extension>.ctg .CTG .zip .ZIP .bin .BIN</extension> <command>sh "./opt/mame/mame ti99 %ROM%"</command> <platform>ti99</platform> <theme>ti99</theme> <directlaunch/> </system> Any approaches? You see that i copied the mame folder to /opt Cheers Sid es_systems.7z Edited March 1, 2020 by Sid1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) This works neither: <system> <name>ti99</name> <fullname>TI99</fullname> <path>/opt/mame/carts</path> <extension>.ctg .CTG .zip .ZIP .bin .BIN</extension> <command>cd /opt/mame && sh "./mame ti99_4a -cart %ROM% -ioport peb -ioport:peb:slot2 32kmem -ioport:peb:slot3 speech -ioport:peb:slot8 hfdc"</command> <platform>ti99</platform> <theme>ti99</theme> <directlaunch/> </system> Edited March 1, 2020 by Sid1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 10:57 PM, senior_falcon said: Can you Paste XB? If so, how did you get it to work? Seems to work just fine for me... I did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Sid1968 said: Time seems to be the main problem... hmm... let me share some nuggets of wisdom with you. If you follow them you will save up to 37 hours a day... i promise.... So that's the problem, I'm ALREADY doing most of that list. I do wash and sometimes breathe... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Sleeping is over-rated, also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 Let me give you people a short update. Meanwhile i had a very constructiv discussion with my compatriot Michael (mizapf) via PM. The above examples lead to the error message: sh: 0 Can`t open ./mame ti99_4a -cart /opt/mame/carts/4aflyer.zip after i chosed for example "4AFlyer" in the Emulationstationmenue of RetroPie. What causes the error? The Emulationstation uses the variable %ROM%. If you click any game in the menue of RetroPie (Emulationstation) %ROM% will be equal the Path+filename+fileending. Example: /opt/mame/carts/4aflyer.zip Every emulator that wants to run on RetroPie (EMulationstation) must be able to handle %ROM%. The actual version of mame can`t handle %ROM% because it wants a filename without the fileending like ".zip". Thats why mame produces that error. Till now the mame version on which mizapf is working thereon was not designed to work with RetroPie. The future will show if this will be changed. I wish for it, because it would be the first mame version that supports the TI-99/4A on RetroPie. Cheers Sid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Sid1968 said: Every emulator that wants to run on RetroPie (EMulationstation) must be able to handle %ROM%. The actual version of mame can`t handle %ROM% because it wants a filename without the fileending like ".zip". Thats why mame produces that error. Till now the mame version on which mizapf is working thereon was not designed to work with RetroPie. The future will show if this will be changed. As we already discussed, RetroPie is supporting MAME, but with very, very old releases (more than 15 years old), which also means that this is long before the MESS/MAME unification and also with a totally different architecture. Frankly speaking, if RetroPie requires interface features from the emulations, it is "wagging the dog" (in German: "Der Schwanz wedelt mit dem Hund"). I am not speaking for the other MAME developers, but I'd consider it unlikely that this will happen. You could still get a MAME forum account and propose it on the forum and see what the other think about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) As already mentioned none of the supported mame versions of RetroPie supports the TI-99/4A. You can read here that all mame versions supported by RetroPie needs special romsets of arcade games. https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/MAME Would be nice if mame would be listed at this link in the future. https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/TI-99 Till then i use ti99sim. Edited March 29, 2020 by Sid1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1968 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) How does the competitors... the developers of other emulators handle their support for retropie? Lets look as an example at the emulator amiberry for the Commodore Amiga. Here you can read news about amiberry from its developer Midwan: https://www.facebook.com/amiberry.emulator/ Here you can report issues: https://github.com/midwan/amiberry/issues From this adress retropie gets the newest source code and/or precompiled binarys for the installation: https://github.com/midwan/amiberry Midwan reacts on error reports as fast as possible and publishes new source code / binaries very regulary. That makes his emulator amiberry to a BIG success! Cheers Sid ? Edited March 30, 2020 by Sid1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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