PoP Slicer sound, should we update it ?

[rensoup]

 

 

Current one:

 

 

 

New one 3:

 

 

 

New one 4:

 

 

 

New one 5:

 

 

 

New one 6:

 

 

 

extra question: any other sfx we should update ?

 

 

[Mclaneinc]

I'm torn between 3 and 6, they both seem right...Should it be replaced, yeah, why not..Make it a real Atari version..

 

And I must say its looking top drawer..

[+skr]

I just want to mention, that none of the options is really bad. Even if I have a preference for option 3 I´llbe totally happy with whatever you will finally use.

[ivop]

I voted #5 before, but switched to the original. Just because it is original I know TIX updated the sprites, too, but still. There's not too much difference between #1 and #5.

 

[_The Doctor__]

 The others don't have the scrape chong scrape going on.... and the tink is out of place, it would have to blend in better and sound more like metal

so I changed from leaning 5 back to ORIGINAL for me...

Edited April 15, 2020 by _The Doctor__

[manterola]

I am so excited about this release that I really think that all options work. None has the metallic sound of the original, but it really doesn't matter. 

Thanks again for this amazing game.

[Mclaneinc]

Coders choice I reckon...

[rensoup]

Don't forget, I'd also like to know if we should update other sfx ?

[Jacques]

While 5 reminds more of a gunshot than powerful slicer and 3 I earlier preferred has a bit too high frequency of metallic sound, I changed my mind to stay with ORIGINAL. 

 

It's missing metallic effect, but at least original sounds powerful enough. 

[rensoup]

Just to clear some confusion, the current one is not the original sound, it's just a one version among others. It might sound closer to it though.

[TGB1718]

3 sounds right to me

[rensoup]

Thanks all, it's good to know.

 

Sometimes, things get a little hairy behind the scenes so hopefully this'll help us move forward.

[pseudografx]

I'd go for some kind of blend of the current one and #3.

[Rybags]

3 has that high pitched pure tone at the end that sounds just wrong.

[Jacques]

2 hours ago, Rybags said:

3 has that high pitched pure tone at the end that sounds just wrong.

Exactly, if only that metallic tone was a bit lower, it would sound much better.

 

Anyway, I still can't quite believe Atari PoP miracle we're discussing here!?

Edited April 16, 2020 by Jacques

[Gunstar]

Current one sounds best over all, not as metallic as I like, but all the rest sound worse to me, even 5 that I said before was a toss up between it and the current one. Number 3's end "tink" sounds like hitting a xylophone with the bar held to prevent reverberation...terrible.

[emkay]

hehe

 

Every tune on POKEY sounds metallic or "watery".

But no one can make a metallic effect for the metallic blades...

 

A real comparision is possible, if the same type of recording is used ... btw.

 

 

[rensoup]

2 hours ago, emkay said:

A real comparision is possible, if the same type of recording is used ... btw.

 

Interesting, it seems a bit too much of a "crash" sound at the beginning...  I think the current one in the game is heavier and more "windy" which suits the slicer better but that's an interesting take on it. 

 

Looks like it only needs 2 channels ? not sure why you're using 4 ?

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by rensoup
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[emkay]

8 hours ago, rensoup said:

Interesting, it seems a bit too much of a "crash" sound at the beginning...  I think the current one in the game is heavier and more "windy" which suits the slicer better but that's an interesting take on it. 

 

Looks like it only needs 2 channels ? not sure why you're using 4 ?

 

4 channels plus different frequency range, to have a "fuller" sound.

Are the FX in your videos done in RMT?

[TheNightOwl]

I liked the original one the most but thought 6 was pretty good too with that metallic like sound at the end. Will add I'm not making comparisons to how the other platforms handled it as I never played the game before so going into this with fresh eyes and ears. ?

[rensoup]

11 hours ago, emkay said:

4 channels plus different frequency range, to have a "fuller" sound.

But it looks there's only 2 different notes: E-1 & A-1 (Not a RMT expert so I could be missing something) ?

 

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Are the FX in your videos done in RMT?

yes, it's all RMT (music/sfx)

 

 

[rensoup]

 

Here's the current jawclash in RMT for anyone interested. It uses 3 channels...

 

The nice thing about sound in PoP is that it was designed for the Apple2 so it's really limited: 1 tune or 1 sfx which means it's a good opportunity to show off Pokey as sfx can use all 4 channels.

 

Of course more channels means more CPU time but since I'm using dmsc's LZSS, decoding a single channel take 2-3 scanlines.

 

edit: I've been very surprised with what Pokey can output, it seems you can get digi like sounds with at just 50hz when using several channels 

 

popsfx_jawclash2.rmt

Edited April 17, 2020 by rensoup

[emkay]

In the PC version the "slizer" comes silent, then the jaws clash and there some short "reverberation" .    

 

 

cutter.rmt

Edited April 17, 2020 by emkay

[rensoup]

3 hours ago, emkay said:

In the PC version the "slizer" comes silent, then the jaws clash and there some short "reverberation" .    

 

 

cutter.rmt 230 B · 3 downloads

nifty...

 

 

what does everybody think ?

 

[_The Doctor__]

um, noooooooooo!!

 

sorry but that's gonna force me to turn the volume down, or cease playing.... oh my...

for whatever reason, it was not pleasant to my ears...

Edited April 17, 2020 by _The Doctor__