nprussell Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Hi all! I've recently acquired a pretty large Atari collection, and I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the authenticity of the cart in the images. I'm hoping it is a genuine prototype and not a bootleg! Thanks in advance :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I suspect this was produced by B&C Computervision; they sell a variety of reproduction protos, with labels that have varied over the years. They currently sell Super Pacman on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-PACMAN-Cartridge-800-XL-XE-Atari-New-1984-Rev/140966936261?hash=item20d248bec5:g:EsgAAOxywbNQ~X~k That said, a dump of the EPROMs would permit comparison with the known versions, which are on the Atari Protos website: http://www.atariprotos.com/8bit/software/superpac/superpac.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Possibly - but the label is a worry. Generally prototypes didn't advertise the fact. The usual was no label, a handwritten one or a typed one. And that AM2764-2DC is a non-windowed OTP Eprom. I guess maybe they'd just use whatever was handy but for something under development it'd make more sense to use a reusable Eprom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yeah, I would agree, proto's tend to be unboxed or very roughly labelled, I suspect the label isn't saying the cart is a prototype but the program on it is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nprussell Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 While I appreciate what you're saying, check this one out : This was for the Atari 800. Very similar label. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nprussell Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, David_P said: I suspect this was produced by B&C Computervision; Then I'll contact them to ask Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I suspect knowing that they are a money making company that their certificates are taken as an "in their opinion" type of stance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nprussell Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, Mclaneinc said: I suspect knowing that they are a money making company that their certificates are taken as an "in their opinion" type of stance.. I respect that, it's just the label really. It's the only other example of this label I can find anywhere at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 This is the B & C cart. They have been reproducing these for decades. It's not a real prototype, just a copy of one. Allan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) You know I wish you well and truly hope its a real proto and there's every chance it could be but just for security reasons its really odd for it to be so advertised with a fancy label if it was a still in progress game being coded, the last thing you want is your cart getting noticed and lifted, hence almost all from my limited knowledge of proto's show them to be unboxed or as Rybags says, with a hand written sticker on or a printed out code with a date and revision. Edited May 1, 2020 by Mclaneinc update.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Video 61 sold those... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilsaluki Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Video 61 STILL sell those Super Pac-Man carts. Not rare in the least. Pretty fair game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Also, prototypes are generally one off or a very small number. And if multiples exist often they'd be incrementally different heading towards a final product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, Allan said: This is the B & C cart. They have been reproducing these for decades. It's not a real prototype, just a copy of one. Allan Just shows how little those certificates are worth, I mean no disrespect to the owner, just point out the problem with them.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nprussell Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Allan said: This is the B & C cart. They have been reproducing these for decades. It's not a real prototype, just a copy of one. Allan That's a shame. I've contacted them to confirm already, so I'll await the bad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 We all hope its not but most likely it is..Most of the guys in here live and breathe this stuff especially Allan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-PACMAN-Cartridge-800-XL-XE-Atari-New-1984-Rev-/140966936261 Mention in myatari's fleaBay auction there of a version with release date that scrolls and one that doesn't have it. OK - Fandal's site has a fixed "final version" XEX with the scrolling text and Atarimania's one is a ROM with fixed location text. Edited May 1, 2020 by Rybags 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 This is a reproduction cart, no doubt about it.... sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Here's a thread from a couple of years ago about that VGA grading: Super Pac-Man Prototype My A$$ Here's a picture of the repros Chris owned some years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) deleted Edited May 1, 2020 by Fred_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NISMOPC Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 VGA Grading is destroying the retro community with their outrageously bogus ratings. They have NO knowledge of the real retro scene, yet have somehow become the "experts". They are nothing but a for profit company that is destroying prices on retro software. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Here's what a Super Pac-Man proto looks like: Super Pac-Man 6-14-84 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Best is now listing it for $16.00 - http://www.best-electronics-ca.com/xe_game.htm Atari Super Pac Man. The Second Sequel to the original Pac Man game. 1 or 2 players, 4 levels of play (C, no instructions) Prototype. This Prototype Atari Super Pac Man Game Cartridge was never officially released by Atari. CB101931 $16.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, gilsaluki said: Video 61 STILL sell those Super Pac-Man carts. Not rare in the least. Pretty fair game. Shall we all together shout out load "Intellectual Property" and point fingers at video61? SCNR Edited May 1, 2020 by DjayBee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrbrevin Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 video game authority?! video game ar**holes more like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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