Synfile + on Incognito

[Kyle22]

@Alfred Do you think Synapse would use IllOps? I don't know of any major software house for Atari that used them.

 

[Alfred]

No, I wouldn't have thought so, but then I wouldn't use them at all myself either. Anyway, yours freezing at the first keypress I think you said, while Venkman's would do a little at least says there's something different between your two systems, if we assume you've both tried using the same disk at some point. I'm also assuming these versions work on a non-Incognito system, that this is just a problem with the Incog systems.

[ijor]

3 hours ago, Kyle22 said:

@Alfred Do you think Synapse would use IllOps? I don't know of any major software house for Atari that used them.

 

I know more than one, including the one that you worked (seems to remember you worked for CSS, right?).

 

It was used for obfuscation purposes to make cracking more difficult.

[Kyle22]

5 minutes ago, ijor said:

I know more than one, including the one that you worked (seems to remember you worked for CSS, right?).

 

It was used for obfuscation purposes to make cracking more difficult.

I was never with CSS. I was w/ FTe.

 

 

[ijor]

4 minutes ago, Kyle22 said:

I was never with CSS. I was w/ FTe.

 

Oh, I thought you mentioned you worked with Bob. Guess I am mixing up, sorry.

 

Anyway, CSS used undoc opcodes, and it wasn't the only one.

[xxl]

it is not opcodes, but writing to repetitive registers, something that hangs U1mb and probably incognito.

Edited May 15, 2020 by xxl

[jamm]

33 minutes ago, xxl said:

it is not opcodes, but writing to repetitive registers, something that hangs U1mb and probably incognito.

Is there an example of code that will hang U1MB?

[flashjazzcat]

1 hour ago, xxl said:

it is not opcodes, but writing to repetitive registers, something that hangs U1mb and probably incognito.

So you know that for sure in the case of Synfile+, do you? Or is this just more dung spreading? Has the executable been analysed and found to contain the kind of register writes you're alluding to?

 

We certainly can't blame Incognito if it did turn out to be an illegal opcode issue, anyway, since Incognito does not replace the stock CPU (and the presence of a non-standard CPU in the machine having issues should have been made clear at the outset).

[Tempest]

9 hours ago, Kyle22 said:

I was w/ FTe.

Really?  Wow.  I really wish there was a thread where AA users could mention if they worked for a company that did Atari software back in the day.  It's always interesting to hear about it.

 

1 hour ago, xxl said:

it is not opcodes, but writing to repetitive registers, something that hangs U1mb and probably incognito.

I know there are still lingering bugs in the Incognito that were never fixed (really minor obscure stuff though), but why would writing to repetitive registers crash anything?  I'm not enough of a programmer to understand I guess.

 

These disk do work with a real disk drive right?  I'm pretty sure someone said they did earlier.

[xxl]

20 minutes ago, flashjazzcat said:

So you know that for sure in the case of Synfile+, do you? Or is this just more dung spreading?

use the debugger.

 

rocket science

[xxl]

26 minutes ago, Tempest said:

but why would writing to repetitive registers crash anything? 

bug.

 

but some say - planned action. probably the u1mb and incognito designers didn't want Synapse stuff to run on their hardware

Edited May 15, 2020 by xxl

[+orpheuswaking]

6 minutes ago, xxl said:

bug.

 

but some say - planned action. probably the u1mb and incognito designers didn't want Synapse stuff to run on their hardware

You probably believe the earth is flat too

[Tempest]

14 minutes ago, xxl said:

but some say - planned action. probably the u1mb and incognito designers didn't want Synapse stuff to run on their hardware

Uh oh, now you've done it.  You've stumbled upon the great Synapse/Incognito conspiracy. 

[xxl]

aliens

[xxl]

2 hours ago, jamm said:

Is there an example of code that will hang U1MB?

probably this is enough:

 

POKE 54257,PEEK(54017)

[Tempest]

26 minutes ago, xxl said:

aliens

[flashjazzcat]

22 minutes ago, xxl said:

POKE 54257,PEEK(54017)

Should this hang an Incognito 800? I'll wait.

 

[+Faicuai]

3 hours ago, xxl said:

it is not opcodes, but writing to repetitive registers, something that hangs U1mb and probably incognito.

I would fully agree.

 

Just tested on both my U1MBs and Incognitos, and they all hang at the exact same point with SynFile + .ATRs posted here, except the image I posted (as it was the only one it worked for me back in the day when I compiled all of Synapse / Synfile work).

Edited May 15, 2020 by Faicuai

[Marius]

19 hours ago, Faicuai said:

The do not work on Incognito. PERDD.

 

You did nit even bothered to try, and now you are complaining. Perplexing, to say the least.

 

Kyle is a thorough, and day-in-day-out 800 / Incognito user. And stuff that does not work, is not going to help him.

 

Anything else here is off-topic. 

In Dutch we have a campaign running which is called "#Doeslief" which is about this... people on the internet are so easily upset and behaving hostile. So please be kind!

[Marius]

1 hour ago, xxl said:

bug.

 

but some say - planned action. probably the u1mb and incognito designers didn't want Synapse stuff to run on their hardware

I use Syncalc all the time ( I know this thread is about Synfile+, but I respond to your Synapse comment) on my U1MB Atari. Not a single problem, ever. (Except for a known bug in Syncalc itself).

 

Just like I said to the other guy, #doeslief ... 

[Marius]

Please use Google Translate. Dutch Campaign... interesting stuff for some people here in the thread. https://sire.nl/campagnes/doeslief/

 

[Tempest]

6 minutes ago, Marius said:

In Dutch we have a campaign running which is called "#Doeslief" which is about this... people on the internet are so easily upset and behaving hostile. So please be kind!

I prefer this theory...

 

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

[Marius]

Just now, Tempest said:

I prefer this theory...

 

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

OH that is a good one! It is so true!

[tschak909]

(at the risk of bifurcating the thread) has anyone done a comparison of Visicalc and SynCalc in terms of features?

 

-Thom

[Marius]

Just now, tschak909 said:

(at the risk of bifurcating the thread) has anyone done a comparison of Visicalc and SynCalc in terms of features?

 

-Thom

Years ago, I decided I wanted to use my atari 8bit for more than just coding, gaming and beta testing stuff for @flashjazzcat.... so I moved my official business administration from Excell to atari 8bit. I tested several spreadsheet programs for a8 and I can not remember whether I also tried visicalc, but I tried many... and the only spreadsheet that actually was able to process my administration was syncalc. And although the administration itself is not that complicated, I had quite some data for one year. Syncalc did the perfect job, and I am STILL doing my business administration on atari 8bit. It is quite amazing, and since I hate administration, it is -thanks to a8- a little more fun to do. (I am running my own music school, and I am also doing quite some projects that bring in money... it all goes into the Syncalc). 

But sorry... I can not exactly answer your question. I should check it out!