Synthpopalooza Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) So, I got involved with this on the 5200/A8 I am also going to do sounds for the 7800, too, but with one major difference: Two 16-bit POKEY channels for sfx and TIA for ship firing and explosion. My hope is this can eventually be hacked into the current 7800 galaga. More soon... Edited June 27, 2020 by Synthpopalooza 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreDecker Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Fascinating! Chalk one up from me as being interested as well. While the 7800 Galaga sounds surprisingly good with stock hardware, Pokey still allows a lot more if desired. I should look for Donkey Kong and DK Jr with Pokey as well. Both sound atrocious with stock hardware and the original DK was missing a level... (still amazed the NES port was missing the same level, are pie-loaded conveyor belts too much to animate?! But I digress and while and digress since I love doing two of those things... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameGeezer Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I'd be interested in both Galaga for the 5200 and an enhanced 7800 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameGeezer Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, CommodoreDecker said: Fascinating! Chalk one up from me as being interested as well. While the 7800 Galaga sounds surprisingly good with stock hardware, Pokey still allows a lot more if desired. I should look for Donkey Kong and DK Jr with Pokey as well. Both sound atrocious with stock hardware and the original DK was missing a level... (still amazed the NES port was missing the same level, are pie-loaded conveyor belts too much to animate?! But I digress and while and digress since I love doing two of those things... ) It was due to ROM space to store the additional game code, including conveyors and moving ladders, and issues with bankswitching tiles. The best home conversions of the era were for the ADAM and C64, if you wanted all levels and the intro. At least the 7800 and NES versions use the JP level, order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, CommodoreDecker said: I should look for Donkey Kong and DK Jr with Pokey as well. Both sound atrocious with stock hardware and the original DK was missing a level... (still amazed the NES port was missing the same level, are pie-loaded conveyor belts too much to animate?! But I digress and while and digress since I love doing two of those things... ) Edited June 30, 2020 by Defender_2600 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cjherr Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'd would also be interested in both the 5200 and 7800 versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo930 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) On 6/30/2020 at 1:57 PM, GameGeezer said: It was due to ROM space to store the additional game code, including conveyors and moving ladders, and issues with bankswitching tiles. The best home conversions of the era were for the ADAM and C64, if you wanted all levels and the intro. At least the 7800 and NES versions use the JP level, order. Donkey Kong 7800 is a 48k ROM, while the C64 original Atari release is a 16k ROM. (Colecovision is also 16k and the Adam is 32k) That seems to be a pretty big difference at 3 times the size. I don't recall if the Atari 16k release has all 4 screens though EDIT: Yes, 16k Atari C64 release has all 4 screens. The Colecovision Qbert is 8k ROM, the C64 version is 16k ROM while Binq is 48k. Perhaps the 7800 is requiring more ROM space for graphics? Edited July 7, 2020 by christo930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 hours ago, christo930 said: Donkey Kong 7800 is a 48k ROM, while the C64 original Atari release is a 16k ROM. (Colecovision is also 16k and the Adam is 32k) That seems to be a pretty big difference at 3 times the size. I don't recall if the Atari 16k release has all 4 screens though EDIT: Yes, 16k Atari C64 release has all 4 screens. The Colecovision Qbert is 8k ROM, the C64 version is 16k ROM while Binq is 48k. Perhaps the 7800 is requiring more ROM space for graphics? While ROM size is a factor, it is not the factor in determining space available or needed for graphics and overall game quality. The programmer's ability and talent, including efficient programming code, will play a very significant part as well. For example, look at the two baseball games for the 7800: Pete Rose Baseball = 32K RealSports Baseball = 64K While both games are not making any 'best of' video series, Realsports Baseball is no where near as graphically detailed and oriented as Pete Rose Baseball, yet is twice the ROM size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I find all 2600/7800 sports games all horrible to play. Any of those would need a complete rewrite. 7800 Galaga is perfect to me the way it is. Mario bros, dk jr need the sound upgrades the most. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreDecker Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, Jinks said: I find all 2600/7800 sports games all horrible to play. Any of those would need a complete rewrite. 7800 Galaga is perfect to me the way it is. Mario bros, dk jr need the sound upgrades the most. DK and DKJr both need audio revamps, and as much as "Fatal Run" does a surprisingly good job with the limited hardware, especially in-game where it counts the most, imagine its music with a proper POKEY update. If only GCC developed it with the POKEY internal instead of an add-in option... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Dk does not need a revamp. It has already been done for years with all updated graphics and pokey sound with the pie level etc.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Are you trying to say that DK doesn't need another revamp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, ZylonBane said: Are you trying to say that DK doesn't need another revamp? Yes. I have no idea why people keep asking to make a Dk with pokey.. oh maybe cause they do not live on Atariage? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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