0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ed in SoDak said: You have to "bless" the system folder. Don't recall how off the top of my head. I'm sure a search will reveal all. I guess it's what Apple meant when they said "Think Different." LOL https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3297636 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Did blessing the blessed thing help? Poking around on Macintosh Garden for Mac os 6, I found all the incremental updates to system from 6.00, 6.01, ... on up to 6.08. Small files of individual disks in 800k or 1.4m. Here's all of the above in an 8.46 meg sit file: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-system-6x There's another page for system 6 with a single large file containing the whole gamut, including all the languages, so not as helpful as just grabbing the specific English version of 6 you want. You'll find similar archives for the other Mac systems as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ed in SoDak said: Did blessing the blessed thing help? Poking around on Macintosh Garden for Mac os 6, I found all the incremental updates to system from 6.00, 6.01, ... on up to 6.08. Small files of individual disks in 800k or 1.4m. Here's all of the above in an 8.46 meg sit file: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-system-6x There's another page for system 6 with a single large file containing the whole gamut, including all the languages, so not as helpful as just grabbing the specific English version of 6 you want. You'll find similar archives for the other Mac systems as well. No still looking. That link did not work. But oddly enough blessing shows a lot on google. And I saw the garden ones before too. Nothing works except weird_w images. Edited July 27, 2020 by 0078265317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Also I would like to see a pic of the external 600mb drive you have. The outside not inside. Edited July 27, 2020 by 0078265317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 It's made to match the look. I'll get a pic tomorrow. I think it had an 80 meg in it when I bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 I found this also. https://www.ebay.com/itm/392887079687 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Well, the drive enclosure in that auction it's nice and clean, pretty much. That's all we know though. No info on HD size or if there even is one installed. "Untested." I'm asking about same price, verified working with 658 meg Quantum lighting drive. Maybe not as clean but I used 'em. I've copied a System 8.1 folder to it to see if it'll boot. So far, it's hanging with no boot. Next step is a reformat and fresh os install. Not sure what's up with that as Disk First Aid reports no problems and other files on it are fine. Worst scenario, install a different drive. Meanwhile feel free to continue the hunt. I won't sell this without it fully working and tested. Right now the power and in-use LEDs aren't connected, nor is the SCSI ID selector. Maybe this drive's connectors for those was in a different place than the original drive it came with. Doesn't affect operation. It's currently set as SCSI ID 4. Edited July 27, 2020 by Ed in SoDak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ed in SoDak said: Well, the drive enclosure in that auction it's nice and clean, pretty much. That's all we know though. No info on HD size or if there even is one installed. "Untested." I'm asking about same price, verified working with 658 meg Quantum lighting drive. Maybe not as clean but I used 'em. I've copied a System 8.1 folder to it to see if it'll boot. So far, it's hanging with no boot. Next step is a reformat and fresh os install. Not sure what's up with that as Disk First Aid reports no problems and other files on it are fine. Worst scenario, install a different drive. Meanwhile feel free to continue the hunt. I won't sell this without it fully working and tested. Right now the power and in-use LEDs aren't connected, nor is the SCSI ID selector. Maybe this drive's connectors for those was in a different place than the original drive it came with. Doesn't affect operation. It's currently set as SCSI ID 4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/193597874743 He added pics of inside. And the same seller has 3 other similar enclosures of scsi. And do you still have the original 80mb drive it came with? Edited July 27, 2020 by 0078265317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 This is interesting also. Also almost same boat as me. Maybe my internal hard drive might be salvage able after all. https://systemfolder.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/se30-fireball/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 I also had a BERNOULLI MAC TRANSPORTABLE 150 back in the day. Wish I had kept that. And a sun external scsi. There is a cheap BERNOULLI 90 version on Ebay I might bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 hours ago, 0078265317 said: This is interesting also. Also almost same boat as me. Maybe my internal hard drive might be salvage able after all. https://systemfolder.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/se30-fireball/ That dude was dedicated to the task! This guy is too. Here's some SE links where he does a recap and other stuff and another where he installs the SCSI2SD adapter, so you can see what's involved with that. http://appletothecore.me/files/category-mac-se.php Possible your SE has some old caps. I'd also check your PRAM battery for leakage, even if the SE might keep time when unplugged. You haven't mentioned needing to reset the time if it's been unplugged. I don't have the 80meg any longer. I had it on its side in a cabinet, my dog came by to say Hi with his tail wagging and his tail knocked the drive over. GRRRINNND! And that was the end of the 80 meg, LOL. I saved the magnets. In other news, the 658 meg drive reformatted fine (OS Standard format, not Extended. I don't know if Extended format would work on an SE.) I made two equal size partitions. Copied a 9.1 folder to one partition and an 8.1 system folder to the other and either will boot my Powerbook G3 Kanga. I would just need to dig out my 6 and 7 install floppies. Most all those auctions you're linking seem to be untested. Your call of course! -Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) It looks clean inside caps and battety. Can't remember if I replaced it. I will check the time next I boot. I will bid on the bernoulli probably. And that is it. I am not spending a fortune on a 31 year old machine. But at least it boots so some hope and good enough for now. I never thought it would again. So I appreciate all the help. And flight sin came today but does not boot because it's a 400 k disk and too old system. Edited July 28, 2020 by 0078265317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Delete Edited July 28, 2020 by 0078265317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Also I found this cd. Interesting I never knew bernoulli had cds back then. https://www.ebay.com/itm/124266688766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Note that CD drive's front says it's CD-R, which is read only, while the auction title says it's a CD burner, i.e. he thinks it can also write a CD. I believe he is in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) CD-ROM is read only. CD-R is indeed recordable. Unless Bernoulli decided to ditch industry naming. (which it appears they did NOT) Edited July 31, 2020 by wierd_w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 My bad, thanks for the correction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 He replied and was nice and gave me some other advice. It doesn't matter if its recordable or not I can burn the cd in another computer and the boot from that. But I am bidding on a berboulli multididk 90 pro ending in 4 and a half hours. I will see if I win what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 I just won this so good news nobody outbid. So even if I cannot format the HD in the SE I can boot off the floppy and run all the software of the bernoulli. https://www.ebay.com/itm/203057635598 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 The pesky HD in my SE just refuses to format. I got this today in the mail from Ebay. Boots my SE FDHD. Disk Manager test the HD just fine no errors. But does not format. Error # 3. Then I copied the system and finder to my other floppy. And booted HD SC Setup. No luck. Cannot format. I copied lido 7.5.6 to the disk and it bombed. That was 6.1.5 finder and 6.0.5 system I think. I then copied 6.1.8 and 6.0.8 from my iBook g3 and blessed it along with a copy of lido on my blank floppy. I started lido no errors this time. I tried easy setup and format bot no luck. Says arbitration failed. Check scsi connections and termination. And it says then format failed. I tried Norton utilities 2.0 also and no go. Does not even see the HD. Any other 3rd party apps I can try. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mac-Software-Floppy-Disk-Manager-Ontrack-ver-2-23/174185814018?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Mt Everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, wierd_w said: Mt Everything? Which program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Mt Everything. https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mt-everything-155 FWB HD Toolkit https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/fwb-hard-disk-toolkit-452 Anubis https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/anubis-utility-v25 Drive7 https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/drive7-lite-235 StorWare https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/storware-301 MicroNet's Utility http://www.jwgdesign.com/macsupport/micronet/MicroNet_Utility_v727.hqx Edited August 2, 2020 by wierd_w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, wierd_w said: Mt Everything. https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mt-everything-155 FWB HD Toolkit https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/fwb-hard-disk-toolkit-452 Anubis https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/anubis-utility-v25 Drive7 https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/drive7-lite-235 StorWare https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/storware-301 MicroNet's Utility http://www.jwgdesign.com/macsupport/micronet/MicroNet_Utility_v727.hqx Great I will try these tonight or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 The drive 7 is system 7 only. I cannot run any systemn7 apps untill the bernoulli arrives. FWB is system 8 only so no go. 7.5.5 max on the SE. And Storware actually detected the drive and said no errors. But when I goto format it gives errors and cannot format. Its weird some programs detect it but nothing formats the internal HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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