wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 It could very well be a termination issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 But if I never touched the hd and its all factory. Then they goofed up at the factory. Or maybe last I opened it up to change the ram I goofed up. Anyhow how do you terminate an internal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Some drives are presumed able to self-terminate on the scsi bus, but this is done by backfeeding voltage onto the termination pins, rather than adding an inline resistor. It may be possible that this has been damaged on your drive, (or for whatever reason is not being read properly). If your internal scsi cable has more than one 50pin connector on it, consider jamming one of these on the end, and see if that fixes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 You can see my pics here. http://mvvg.blogspot.com/2020/07/mac-se-apart.html?m=1 Does not look like more than 1 connector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Also storware and some others call the internal hd a "minscrib 20". That does not sound appleish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 And when trying to partition in Storware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Miniscribe was a manufacturer back in the day. IIRC, they got bought out first by Maxstor, then Seagate. What I am reading about that drive from Tularc, is that it does need termination. Probably need one of these passive terminators. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-INTERNAL-SCSI-TERMINATOR-PASSIVE-50-PIN-FOR-INTERNAL-SCSI-/303498916019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 9 hours ago, wierd_w said: Miniscribe was a manufacturer back in the day. IIRC, they got bought out first by Maxstor, then Seagate. What I am reading about that drive from Tularc, is that it does need termination. Probably need one of these passive terminators. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-INTERNAL-SCSI-TERMINATOR-PASSIVE-50-PIN-FOR-INTERNAL-SCSI-/303498916019 But if I never touched the hard drive and its all factory then does not make sense. If it needed termination then why was it not terminated at the factory? Did we buy it like that? Did they rip us off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Presumably, one can install some little resistor packs on either the controller or the drive. I would check to see if those have been damaged or dislodged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) OOOOOOh.... This is a REAL old drive-- It has a stepper based head actuator. Try a small amount of lubricant on the shaft of the stepper motor. Edited August 2, 2020 by wierd_w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Interesting and also found a bunch of mini scribe 20 on ebay like this. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133480013423 But I dont want to open it up again and risk doing more damage so I will leave it alone for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 Getting somewhere. I was playing around with the ontrack disk I got from ebay. Custom install. Installing drivers, etc. Does not format. But at least everytime I boot up I get this message. Does not format if I click initialize. But recognizes it at least. And first aid recognizes it now. And sc hd setup too. And norton sees it too, But disk first aid says its not HFS so it wont verify or repair. And sc hd and norton wont format. Neither when I boot if I click initialize. Norton fixed a few errors but gave up. Still not showing on desktop. But getting somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Does it make any odd noises? "chirping" and "shuffling" is OK, but clunking, scraping, and banging are not. (Since DM was able to write a scsi driver onto the disk, I think this is not a termination issue, but it is having read/write errors, which either means damaged platter, or sticky actuator. I think you should try to rule out sticky actuator with some good lube and revisit the "wont initialize" problem.) Edited August 3, 2020 by wierd_w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 No odd noises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 And the bernoulli arrived today. He forgot to include the drivers floppy But my ontrack floppy boots it for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 And I downloaded arkanoid from macintoshgarden. I got the macally pad to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in SoDak Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 So, was it worth it? Gotta admire your determination! Good you finally got to try the batwing with Arkanoid. What system did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 Yes totally worth it. Post office slightly damaged the box and few pieces were rattling around inside. I opened it up. Just few pieces of the side railing. Still works great. For about 51 dollars not bad. Drive works at least. And he will complain. But he was nice good communication. And he mailed the drivers today should be here by Saturday. But my Ontrack driver worked in the mean time. Totally worth it. The only 150mb version on Ebay was 150 dollars so for 50 not bad. Works awesome. And 90 is plenty. And now I try some other format programs on the internal. I tried drive 7 but it said I don't have the basic script installed. And System 6.0.5 and Finder 6.1.5 came on the floppy. I also have 6.1.8 and 6.0.8 form the hard drive before it crashed. And the 7.5 image from here. And I have 7.1 from a floppy I got off Ebay for 6 bucks labled disk tools for powerbook 145b. The restore program only works on powerbook 145b. But the 7.1 floppy boots at least. I got the macally batwing drivers from macintosh garden and works on system 6 or 7. All my systems work great. Once you install it you just double click on the batwing configuration program what ever its called and it activates the batwing. And then you quit the program and run arkanoid. Arkanoid works great. And even with out arkanoid the controller works as a mouse to move the cursor on the screen. And the buttons opens the folders and hard drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 And I remember the other game was called brickles. And 3D brick bash looks cool too. And all the transylvania images are broken versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Since all you seem to want are system folders.. Should I make you a 7.5.5 naked boot image? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 No I am done. It boots now that is enough. The internal might never format but it boots from internal floppy and external scsi so its good enough. The purpose of the systems was just to get it to boot. Otherwise its useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wierd_w Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 If you get one of the external CDs to daisy chain on, you could just grab the .SMI image and burn a mac cdrom with it on it, and do a proper install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 No mac before 7.6 came on cd. And cd drives are too expensive. And my bernoulli is the one with the single c50 in back not double so no chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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