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Public Service Announcement: RB+ is over

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Hi folks,

 

 

Due to reasons I'd rather not discuss, I'm henceforth stopping all RB+ development and support. The github and bitbucket repositories will remain in place for a couple of days and will then be taken down.

 

Thank you for all your interest in this experiment, it's been a fun 6 years. It's time to move on. Please don't PM me or ask me about this using any means, messages will be ignored.

 

 

See you around,

GGN

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32 minutes ago, ggn said:

Hi folks,

 

 

Due to reasons I'd rather not discuss, I'm henceforth stopping all RB+ development and support. The github and bitbucket repositories will remain in place for a couple of days and will then be taken down.

 

Thank you for all your interest in this experiment, it's been a fun 6 years. It's time to move on. Please don't PM me or ask me about this using any means, messages will be ignored.

 

 

See you around,

GGN

 

 

These tutorial threads will remain right? I sure hope so.

There is a lot of useful information in these threads for people still interested in using RB+.

 

You have always been very helpful ggn, thank you for all that you have done.

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While I can understand not wanting to support such a package anymore for a multitude of reasons, I feel like completely removing it for others to access and use would be terrible for the Jag community. Why not just leave it in place so that others can use it in the future at some point? Not that removing it would prevent it from being hosted elsewhere I suppose.

 

I do appreciate you and everyone involved in making this package for those of us who like to mess around on the Jag in such creative way possible, a lot of cool things have been worked on and are still being done for the Jag as a result and for that, I thank you.

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RB+ is the only reason I (and others) can make Jaguar games. Please don't take it away from us. Why not keep the site up and just stop development on it?

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I didn't see a license file on the github... before you drop it, considering applying a license, so it might have a second life some day if someone else picks up the torch.

 

 

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3 hours ago, RevEng said:

I didn't see a license file on the github... before you drop it, considering applying a license, so it might have a second life some day if someone else picks up the torch.

 

 

No idea about the license for rB+ but the license for using RAPTOR API (which rB+ uses) is pretty clear:

 

“The Software” refers to the RAPTOR Engine, which is provided as an assembled binary object file for use on the Atari Jaguar 64 bit Multimedia System.

“Author(s)” refers to the group, REBOOT (https://reboot-games.com)

 

Licensing:

 

This software is provided free of charge to anyone and everyone.

REBOOT accept no responsibility for damage or loss by its use or misuse.

REBOOT grants you the right to use this software within your own works provided that:

1. Clear identification of the use of this software is included within your own works, either by use of the currently aproved logo (provided), or textually.

2. The identification of the use of this software must appear within the digital works in a manner that is visible to the end user and upon any physical packaging.

3. The software may not be reverse engineered or modified without prior written consent of the author(s).

4. No source code forming any part of The Software is to be distributed without explicit permission from the author(s).

I've archived the final release of rB+ on the reboot-games.com site, but please do not contact myself for assistance with rB+ as I haven't had any major involvement with the project for years.

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@ggn: just to make things clear:

- do you still allow the redistribution and usage of the last version of rB+?

- would you allow someone else to take over the development of rB+?

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When I'm laying around half brain-dead I gravitate towards familiar topics like video games, so off to AA I went. This thread's title caught my eye so I ended up reading through all the Jag Programming forums, never really poked around in there before... and wow. The mere fact that something like rB+ existed as an accessible entry point to virtually anyone makes this scene special enough, but it's so much more.
I didn't know there were so many underlying pieces from so many different contributors. Everything's open and free, nobody's keeping their toys locked away. There's seemingly perpetual active support/additions. Just one example, I knew U-235 is a sound engine but did not know it was released in 2011 and Linkovich is in its thread keeping things rolling to this very day.
Above all else though... I thought I was a patient guy. Nope. Receiving a bug report in the form of "it didn't work" alone takes a bite out of my patience. I have no idea how many of you, ggn in particular, remained so helpful in such a timely manner despite many discouraging things going on. There's the aforementioned "it didn't work" (continuously, even after being educated why that's useless), complaining about the tools or referring to non-existent bugs within them. Whining, snide remarks, sample projects being monetized, unfinished works being stolen and sold... so much shit that would've made me throw in the towel a long time ago.

On the other hand I did see the kind of positivity that makes you want to stick with things despite some headaches. The threads I enjoyed most were made by enthusiastic individuals persevering through all obstacles, making sure they gave it their all before taking time away from someone else by asking for help. It was fun moving from page to page, seeing ideas become reality, projects evolving. Everything's finally put together, the placeholder title/graphics are replaced with something to give the game its own identity, and just like that there +1 to add to the Jag's game library.

In other words... cool beans.

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1 hour ago, joeyaage said:

Sad news. I am Shocked.

At least it ever existed to begin with and is in such a state that people can still do a lot of cool things on the Jag if they really choose to learn and do so. I've spent years with it and haven't really released anything credible to show for it but that time has been used learning and even more so experimenting, with at least 1 mini game completed (yet to be released) and another full game nearly completed, with the hard part of finalizing the animation work needing to be done.

 

On 9/5/2020 at 4:13 PM, Zerosquare said:

@ggn: just to make things clear:

- would you allow someone else to take over the development of rB+?

It would be cool for someone to pick it up and expand upon it since it's such a great foundation as it is, but who would even bother really? As it stands, there are only a few more things I could even ask for from the package at this point but those are outside of the original intended scope or purpose of what this was to begin with (or so I believe anyways) and just makes me feel greedy for even thinking about extra "features" to an already freely available package.

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Sorry for asking again, but @ggn:

 

On 9/5/2020 at 10:13 PM, Zerosquare said:

- do you still allow the redistribution and usage of the last version of rB+?

- would you allow someone else to take over the development of rB+?

 

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+1 here with @Zerosquare, I was going through your tutorials when you announced the end of RB+, but it seems already pretty capable of creating great games, so it would be sad not to be able to use it.

 

Thanks, really amazing all the work you put into it! (and sad it's over).

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