npturton Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Hi all I found my printout of this, thought it would be useful if people want to play these wargames (PS they are really good) CRUSADE IN EUROPE 01 TORCH 02 GARDEN 03 GOODWOOD 04 BOLERO 05 MARKET 06 FRANKLIN 07 OMAHA 08 COBRA 09 DAVID 10 TANGO 11 ANVIL 12 TIGER 13 TOTALISE 14 OVERLOAD 15 SHERMAN 16 BLUECOAT DECISION IN THE DESERT 01 GYMNAST 02 ALEXANDER 03 BREVITY 04 AFRICA 05 MERCURY 06 SUBSTANCE 07 EXPORTER 08 VENICE 09 HERCULES 10 ACROBAT 11 SUPPLY 12 MARIE 13 LUSTRE 14 SPLICE 15 STYLE 16 PEDESTAL CONFLICT IN VIETNAM 01 JEB STUART 02 LE LOI 03 WHITE WING 04 SILVER BAYONET 05 PEGASUS 06 MUSCATINE 07 LAM SON 08 MAMELUKE THRUST 09 ATTLE BORO 10 NEVADA EAGLE 11 MACOW 12 HENDERSON HILL 13 MASHER 14 CEDAR FALLS 15 STARLIGHT 16 JUNCTION CITY 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxel Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Back in the day I had my printouts stuck on the disk jackets, it was the best place for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) I just started getting into war games for the Atari in recent years (I didn't have the patience when I was younger, except for RPG's, otherwise it was arcade style games I played). Though so far I've only played a couple, from SSI and Avalon Hill (Carrier Force and Legionnaire) and just got Wargame Construction Set, which I have yet to try(computer down for repairs and upgrades). How do Micro Prose war games compare to SSI war games and what are the top suggestions for both publishers? Avalon Hill games seem o.k., at least the one I have, but I think they are earlier and more primitive than the SSI and Micro Prose games. Datasoft also has a few, are they good and how do they compare to these other publisher's games too? Obviously it seems I should check out at least the three mentioned here...I'm not just downloading these to play though, I've started collecting original releases, if the price is right and complete and good condition. I do this for the extras included, like maps, and I prefer to read real manuals instead of PDF's. And are there other publishers that put out war games of any note besides the four companies I mention here? Edited September 20, 2020 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beamer320i Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Thanks for posting these, I did actually have them on the disk jackets but they fell off after 20+ years! Time to dig the 822 out and reprint them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devwebcl Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 12:54 PM, npturton said: Hi all I found my printout of this, thought it would be useful if people want to play these wargames (PS they are really good) CRUSADE IN EUROPE 01 TORCH 02 GARDEN 03 GOODWOOD 04 BOLERO 05 MARKET 06 FRANKLIN 07 OMAHA 08 COBRA 09 DAVID 10 TANGO 11 ANVIL 12 TIGER 13 TOTALISE 14 OVERLOAD 15 SHERMAN 16 BLUECOAT DECISION IN THE DESERT 01 GYMNAST 02 ALEXANDER 03 BREVITY 04 AFRICA 05 MERCURY 06 SUBSTANCE 07 EXPORTER 08 VENICE 09 HERCULES 10 ACROBAT 11 SUPPLY 12 MARIE 13 LUSTRE 14 SPLICE 15 STYLE 16 PEDESTAL CONFLICT IN VIETNAM 01 JEB STUART 02 LE LOI 03 WHITE WING 04 SILVER BAYONET 05 PEGASUS 06 MUSCATINE 07 LAM SON 08 MAMELUKE THRUST 09 ATTLE BORO 10 NEVADA EAGLE 11 MACOW 12 HENDERSON HILL 13 MASHER 14 CEDAR FALLS 15 STARLIGHT 16 JUNCTION CITY I cannot remember where those codes are used. Is it at the beginning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 6:04 AM, Gunstar said: I just started getting into war games for the Atari in recent years (I didn't have the patience when I was younger, except for RPG's, otherwise it was arcade style games I played). Though so far I've only played a couple, from SSI and Avalon Hill (Carrier Force and Legionnaire) and just got Wargame Construction Set, which I have yet to try(computer down for repairs and upgrades). How do Micro Prose war games compare to SSI war games and what are the top suggestions for both publishers? Avalon Hill games seem o.k., at least the one I have, but I think they are earlier and more primitive than the SSI and Micro Prose games. Datasoft also has a few, are they good and how do they compare to these other publisher's games too? Obviously it seems I should check out at least the three mentioned here...I'm not just downloading these to play though, I've started collecting original releases, if the price is right and complete and good condition. I do this for the extras included, like maps, and I prefer to read real manuals instead of PDF's. And are there other publishers that put out war games of any note besides the four companies I mention here? I've been playing war games on the Atari for years, so I can point you in the right direction. The Microprose games are all similar, and obviously use iterations of the same engine. They are all 'chit and counter' style games, mimicing the old 80s era hex and cardboard counter war games. They're all quite good, each one modeling a different time or theater (80s Nato vs Warsaw, Western Front, North Afrika and Vietnam). If you like one, you'll like them all. SSI has a lot more variety. You'll get tactical level games, but also operational and strategic level stuff. Some games are chit and counter style like Microprose, while some (like Wargame Construction Set) actually depict units and do a kind of we-go real time thing. They also have old west, naval, air and sci fi strategy games. Tons of variety and quality to their Atari library. Avalon Hill is more of a mixed bag. Their stuff is all early in the Atari 8-bit line, so much of it uses hybrid basic/asm code and can be primitive and slow. Quality is all over the board too, though their good stuff IS quite good. Datasoft has some decent games, like Bismarck, but it's a distant fourth place. There are other companies that put out strategy titles, my favorite being Epyx, which released some really clever titles like Crush Crumble and Chomp (movie monster strategy game where you play/design the monsters), Invasion Orion (turn based starship combat that is far more playable when you use a modern basic port) and several others, some of which alternate between strategy and action, like Dragonriders of Pern. Many of their Apshai games could easily be considered strategy too, particularly the time limited 'one off' games like Rescue at Rigel or Morloc's Tower. There's a lot more to discover than you might think! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Thanks @Lord Thag , I was aware of, and have played the Epyx games except for Invasion Orion. Have you tried Datasoft's Bismark on a expanded memory machine? It's suppose to use up to 128K for advanced features not included on 64K machines. That, and it being a later release, I thought might be a more advanced simulation in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Did anyone ever record the recording that played back when you called the special phone number for launching missiles in Theatre Europe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 4:01 PM, Gunstar said: Thanks @Lord Thag , I was aware of, and have played the Epyx games except for Invasion Orion. Have you tried Datasoft's Bismark on a expanded memory machine? It's suppose to use up to 128K for advanced features not included on 64K machines. That, and it being a later release, I thought might be a more advanced simulation in some way. Huh, hadn't heard that one before. Where did you hear it had additional features in 128k? I don't recall anything like that in the manual. The game itself is certainly worth checking out. It's similar to Dragonriders in that it alternates between a 'grand strategy' screen and an action sequence. Basically, you maneuver around (you can play either side) and try to evade or engage your target. When you catch them, battle ensues, which is a real time volley exchange between ships. It's not an arcade game though, as the ships (all reflecting real life ship classes) have different weapons, damageable sections (boiler rooms, magazines etc), blind spots and all kinds of stuff. Generally victory conditions are centered around the Bismarck surviving or escaping relatively unscathed (Germans), or preventing her from sinking your ships or sinking her yourself (Brits). Like Dragonriders of Pern, it's a kind of unique game. Well worth playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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