Poison Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) Hi, I would like to ask if is possible to create xex which can be run from real floppy. I do not mean boot floppy and run xex Because demo takes, cca 50kb ? I think and atr format takes full floppy which can be used for next demos http://a8.fandal.cz/detail.php?files_id=7487 thank you poison Edited October 1, 2020 by Poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Unsure. Generally full ATR demo disks just do raw sector reads with no regard to a standard Dos structure. Even if it is a Dos structure, the problem can become the fact that most of memory gets used and a loader or Dos gets overwritten. An alternative can be systems that load an entire disk image into Ram then emulate a disk drive, though in the case of this demo you'd likely want a 128K Ram machine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) I found somewhere this xex, which works with emulator. But does not work on real HW from floppy with dos or qmeg or AVG cart. Reharden.xex Edited October 1, 2020 by Poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxl Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 this demo uses xBIOS (ATR), there is a standard FS, xB doesn't impose any restrictions on the characters used in the directory, and that's been used in this demo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matosimi Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 This is chckxex of the exe file: 001: $0200 $02A4: $00A5 002: $02E2 $02E3: $0002 INI $0200 003: $0200 $020F: $0010 004: $02D8 $02DF: $0008 005: $030F $03A5: $0097 006: $040F $041E: $0010 007: $043F $04A5: $0067 008: $0626 $0635: $0010 009: $0800 $27F0: $1FF1 010: $2800 $67FF: $4000 011: $6800 $8184: $1985 012: $849F $84F0: $0052 013: $8659 $89C1: $0369 014: $9000 $9026: $0027 015: $9043 $94C5: $0483 016: $9500 $9C7F: $0780 017: $9CD6 $B25F: $158A 018: $B263 $B64E: $03EC 019: $B800 $CE33: $1634 020: $CE36 $CFCA: $0195 021: $DF07 $F2C5: $13BF 022: $F882 $F8BF: $003E 023: $F900 $F9BF: $00C0 024: $FA00 $FF0A: $050B 025: $D800 $DF00: $0701 026: $02E0 $02E1: $0002 RUN $9DB6 027: $0015 $0015: $0001 028: $0018 $0019: $0002 File 'C:\Users\msimecek\Downloads\Reharden.xex' is OK. checkxex clearly shows there are blocks 001-009 that are loading into low mem areas including 009 where DOS is usually placed. So this xex is for emulator only, however if you would play with SuperPacker , you could merge and pack these blocks and place it to load at the end, depack and run. - that could make it feasible for realhw (resp. running from DOS). I just realized there are also blocks storing data under osrom... so it would not be that easy, because DOS is utilizing osrom for i/o calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 And can be some easy solution such as repack this file to higher address ? The same thing which was done with some text games which starts on 0700 and were unrunable with AVG ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matosimi Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Not that easy, but possible... But at what cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, matosimi said: Not that easy, but possible... But at what cost? When we will meet on Forever Party I will buy you One Beer or Two ? Edited October 1, 2020 by Poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ger Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 You can .. you know .. report it to AVG cart author ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, R0ger said: You can .. you know .. report it to AVG cart author ? ? Iam not sure if I can. But This is not problem of AVG. This xex cant be run from real floppy from DOS or Qmeg. Edited October 1, 2020 by Poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Load Xex will usually work fine in emulators because that option typically injects the segments into Ram without there being any loader needed or present beforehand. Real hardware doesn't do this - about the closest you can get for such a "protected" situation is from the likes of IDE+ which have Rom based loaders that only need a little bit of Ram workspace to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Well, Reharden was released at Silly Venture 2017, so it can be found on the Silly Pack 2k17 by JAC! as a fileversion. Quoting JAC: "* Reharden - Now runs from DOS 2.5, packed 58K to 37K" Silly Pack 2k17 EDIT: Added 90k bootable ATR, XEX fileversion and textfile... Reharden.zip 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Hmmm, now reading the topic about Silly Pack 2k17 again, I notice there is the "We plash" demo-movie by Nir Dary on it that originally requires an SIDE-2 with CF card - it is available as an image file. Could this demo-movie run from an AVG cart as well (e.g. when changing the extender into .AVF) ?!? Is it PAL compatible ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JAC! Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: Well, Reharden was released at Silly Venture 2017, so it can be found on the Silly Pack 2k17 by JAC! as a fileversion. Quoting JAC: "* Reharden - Now runs from DOS 2.5, packed 58K to 37K" Silly Pack 2k17 EDIT: Added 90k bootable ATR, XEX fileversion and textfile... Reharden.zip 93.48 kB · 2 downloads Hehe, so I'd say Poison owes me two beers ? And believe me, that is cheap considering the 2 months time frame it took to fix it... 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 There's two things I absolutely love - your Silly Packs, and your coding tutorials using WUDSN. Well, I love WUDSN to death as well so make that three. Could you be persuaded to perhaps do a coding tutorial of sorts, on the making of a Silly Pack? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 10 hours ago, JAC! said: Hehe, so I'd say Poison owes me two beers ? And believe me, that is cheap considering the 2 months time frame it took to fix it... Works Great, just tested Thanks to @JAC! and @CharlieChaplin very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 ...and to answer my own question: We plash works fine from AVG cart., if you have a PAL system and rename *.IMG into *.AVF. It's a short but very nice video by Nir Dary from Israel for Silly Venture 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 9 hours ago, CharlieChaplin said: ...and to answer my own question: We plash works fine from AVG cart., if you have a PAL system and rename *.IMG into *.AVF. It's a short but very nice video by Nir Dary from Israel for Silly Venture 2017. I saw it only on YT, i do not know where to download this file. it is not on pouet, atarionline pl and google do not know too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miker Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Here's also something called demozoo. Here you are: https://demozoo.org/productions/180959/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Poison said: I saw it only on YT, i do not know where to download this file. it is not on pouet, atarionline pl and google do not know too It is in the Silly Pack 2k17, see link above (post #12) or use this direct link: http://www.wudsn.com/productions/atari800/sillypack2k17/sillypack2k17.zip Download the whole pack and unzip SillyPack2k17-Weplash.img (approx. 62MB), then rename to e.g. Weplash.AVF and copy it onto your AVG cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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