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32 minutes ago, moonlight_mile said:

Which would be the best to get for use with the side2 an 800xl or 130xe?

Revised answer: 130XE, since using SIDE2's SDX with 64K is a miserable experience. If you go for an 800XL, get one with a RAM upgrade.

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I see 8bit fix has a fully socketed 800xl. I am leaning that route since I am pretty confident it has been fully tested and being everything is socketed it should make a upgrade fairly easy.

I would like a 130 but it doesn’t appear any are out there for a sane price at the moment.

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27 minutes ago, moonlight_mile said:

I would like a 130 but it doesn’t appear any are out there for a sane price at the moment.

Yes: I just had to swap one of my own XE boards with a blighted customer board, and given the prices of XEs at the moment, that smarted a bit. :)

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What is wrong with your current Atari? and which flavour is it? a syscheck from tf_hh might help with your ram issues, it can be used as an OS/RAM upgrade as well as a syscheck

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What is wrong with your current Atari? and which flavour is it? a syscheck from tf_hh might help with your ram issues, it can be used as an OS/RAM upgrade as well as a syscheck

There is definitely something wrong in the ram department. It didn’t show its face until I started working with the side2 cart. I may eventually work on it but I think it is probably a better idea to get another Atari just so I have a backup. Hell, I only paid around $50 for the xe a few years ago.
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6 hours ago, flashjazzcat said:

Revised answer: 130XE, since using SIDE2's SDX with 64K is a miserable experience. If you go for an 800XL, get one with a RAM upgrade.

That is the setup I have... What am I missing out on?

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35 minutes ago, bhall408 said:

That is the setup I have... What am I missing out on?

You have what? A 130XE or an 800XL? If the latter, you're missing out on extended RAM into which SDX will load most of its drivers. Without said RAM, and owing to the considerable size of the SIDE.SYS driver (which will also install most of itself in extended RAM where available), you commonly end up with a toweringly high MEMLO which make running all but a handful of applications completely impossible. Even FDISK (the APT partition editor) will not run on such a setup.

 

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Just now, flashjazzcat said:

You have what? A 130XE or an 800XL? If the latter, you're missing out on extended RAM into which SDX will load most of its drivers. Without said RAM, and owing to the considerable size of the SIDE.SYS driver (which will also install most of itself in extended RAM where available), you commonly end up with a toweringly high MEMLO which make running all but a handful of applications completely impossible. Even FDISK (the APT partition editor) will not run on such a setup.

 

I have an 800XL and a 65XE out at the moment, with the SIDE2 in the 800XL. I must say I've only done light usage of SDX on the 800XL, so perhaps had not run into the crazy high memlo issue. I was just about to start trying some of my own homebrews on that device, and I have them set to compile at 0x3000, which I had thought would be pretty generous.

 

I have not been able to get the CF card working yet, but I figured I just needed to invest the time to read the instructions ;-)

 

So I have been using it as a clock/SpartaDOS cart, along with an SDRIVE MAX and a Lotharek SD adaptor (have used the Lotharek more) for loading stuff from SD in the meantime.

 

Have a FujiNet on order, and am really looking forward to that!

 

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Good news! I got an 800xl and the side2 works! I did order a Hong Kong 800xl. Most of the chips are socketed except the ones for the ultimate 1 Meg. Doh! Well at least I have the side2 working!

Thanks for the help!

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9 minutes ago, moonlight_mile said:

I know in order to use fdisk extended memory is needed. But is there a hack to run that on a stock 64k machine?

You could try using the SDX Imaging tool to strip other drivers (ATARIDOS.SYS and such) out of CONFIG.SYS on CAR:.

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In a pinch, I hook up a floppy drive on D1: with a a sparta formatted disk containing an alternate config.sys to do this.

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2 minutes ago, Nezgar said:

In a pinch, I hook up a floppy drive on D1: with a a sparta formatted disk containing an alternate config.sys to do this.

An excellent idea.

 

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USE OSRAM

DEVICE SPARTA OSRAM

DEVICE SIO

DEVICE SIDE

 

That should get you going. Type MEM at the SDX prompt. If you get less than $2000 for 'Main', you're doing well.

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moonlight_mile, I also use the SIDE2 on a 64K 800XL. 

 

When using FDISK, i made several partitions but started naming them D3:,D4:,etc.

I didnt make D1: and D2: partitions, because i wanted to keep using my 1050 drive as D1: using a Spartados formated floppy containing the startup CONFIG.SYS (for my 64K 800XL)

D2: can be used for other SIO addonns like Sio2SD.

 

There might be better solutions for a 64K SIDE2 setup, but I am not an expert in Spartados X....

 

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7 minutes ago, Stormtrooper of Death said:

When using FDISK, i made several partitions but started naming them D3:,D4:,etc.

This is good practice, IMO. It's also a good idea to do this on U1MB/SIDE systems, since mounted (PBI-hosted) ATRs can then boot from D1: without affecting HDD partitions and you have D2: for two-disk volumes or other SIO devices.

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I typically have 8 APT partitions starting at D5:, on the off chance I get the urge to do something stupid like mount 3 or 4 ATRs in the Loader at the time, or move a bunch of random stuff off ATRs via RespeQt, FujiNet or my SDrive-MAX to my APT partition(s). 

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