Games that are bigger on disk version

[Materion]

Hello,

 

Can You tell me which games that came in cassette/disk format have more content on the latter ?

[www.atarimania.com]

Serpentine, Zorro, Zaxxon... 

[MrFish]

8 minutes ago, www.atarimania.com said:

Zaxxon

To elaborate on this one... 

 

Some things added in the disk version are:

1. missile silos that fire up at your ship

2. uses the real 3D effect in space, compared playing on a plane in the cassette (and cartridge) version.

 

There may be other differences; but those are the two I know about.

 

[lbaeza]

Strip Poker, International Karate 

Edited November 12, 2020 by lbaeza

[www.atarimania.com]

Some games have an additional loading screen or better presentation, not sure that qualifies...

[www.atarimania.com]

Some more: Chopper Rescue, Choplifter! (though it was released on cartridge and not tape), B-1 Nuclear Bomber, Crossfire...

[MrFish]

18 minutes ago, www.atarimania.com said:

Some games have an additional loading screen or better presentation, not sure that qualifies...

Yeah, the disk version of Zaxxon also adds this splash screen. I would say that counts too, as he was asking about "content".

 

[MrFish]

Bruce Lee is another one. It had this splash screen, and also music that plays while the splash is displayed. These weren't included on the cassette version.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by MrFish

[MrFish]

All of the Spy vs Spy games had title screens on the disk versions, but missing on cassette versions.

 

Hardball was another one with a missing title screen on cassette version.

 

[abbotkinneydude]

4 hours ago, MrFish said:

Hardball was another one with a missing title screen on cassette version.

 

It was also missing on the XEGS cartridge version. That really took away from the premium feel of the game.

 

Interestingly, Summer Games got a better splash screen on the XEGS cartridge vs. the original Epyx release.

[MrFish]

53 minutes ago, abbotkinneydude said:

It was also missing on the XEGS cartridge version. That really took away from the premium feel of the game.

 

Yes, a rather odd exclusion for something going to a large (64 KB) XEGS cart. Having a look inside the cart, there seems to be ample free space for storing the title screen data.

 

I added the title screen to an XEX version -- all variations of which are missing it, due to being conversions of either the cart or cassette versions. I also enhanced the screen some and started working on a more heavily enhanced version. 

 

See in this thread: Hardball - Title Screen

 

 

53 minutes ago, abbotkinneydude said:

Interestingly, Summer Games got a better splash screen on the XEGS cartridge vs. the original Epyx release.

 

I never really thought the XEGS title screen was much of an improvement. I at least appreciate the attempt; although I think the main drive was about getting the large "Epyx" logo off the screen. The thing I didn't appreciate is that the game itself got downgraded in the conversion. It escapes me, right now, exactly what was left off of the cart version; but I believe it had to do with the options for gameplay, and possible one event (?). So, whenever I play it on cart, I go for the Atarimax conversion of the disk version of the game.

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by MrFish

[xxl]

Rescue on Fractalus

Spelunker

Goonies (different music)

[MrFish]

15 minutes ago, MrFish said:

The thing I didn't appreciate is that the game itself got downgraded in the conversion. It escapes me, right now, exactly what was left off of the cart version; but I believe it had to do with the options for gameplay, and possible one event (?). So, whenever I play it on cart, I go for the Atarimax conversion of the disk version of the game.

 

OK, a quick look reveals that it was just one option left off when Atari converted Summer Games to an XEGS cart. The option is pretty important though; it's the ability to save and retrieve world records. This is somewhat understandable, since an XEGS cart has no way of storing dynamic data; but nothing would have stopped them from allow a user disk to be inserted for such an option. This was certainly done with other cart games (Eastern Front 1941 comes to mind). Saving and challenging world records was one of the more interesting aspects of playing Summer Games in the first place. So, I consider this to be a serious downgrade.

 

 

 

[sup8pdct]

Frogger. tape is 16K, disk requires 32K.

Extra music and more hazzards.

 

James

[www.atarimania.com]

38 minutes ago, xxl said:

Spelunker

Goonies (different music)

 

Spelunker was never released on tape.

 

I believe the different music in The Goonies had to do with the rights to Cyndi Lauper's song which were for the US only (though early copies sold on disk by US Gold probably sneaked out and had the original music).

[zzip]

14 hours ago, MrFish said:

To elaborate on this one... 

 

Some things added in the disk version are:

1. missile silos that fire up at your ship

2. uses the real 3D effect in space, compared playing on a plane in the cassette (and cartridge) version.

 

There may be other differences; but those are the two I know about.

 

I think the disk version has also has title screen that the cassette version doesn't, (or the cassette title screen is minimal)

[zzip]

5 hours ago, sup8pdct said:

Frogger. tape is 16K, disk requires 32K.

Isn't the Frogger cassette code completely also different than the disk?    I have found three different versions of Frogger on Atari8,  the Parker Bros one, and two from Sierra.  I assume one of the Sierra ones was cassette.

[MrFish]

4 hours ago, zzip said:

I think the disk version has also has title screen that the cassette version doesn't, (or the cassette title screen is minimal)

That was already mentioned above (I even posted an image of the disk version title screen).

 

The cassette and cartridge versions both have a low-res Zaxxon logo, that gets drawn on the screen as if it's being written by hand.

 

[+CharlieChaplin]

11 hours ago, MrFish said:

 

Yes, a rather odd exclusion for something going to a large (64 KB) XEGS cart. Having a look inside the cart, there seems to be ample free space for storing the title screen data.

 

I added the title screen to an XEX version -- all variations of which are missing it, due to being conversions of either the cart or cassette versions. I also enhanced the screen some and started working on a more heavily enhanced version. 

 

See in this thread: Hardball - Title Screen

 

 

 

I never really thought the XEGS title screen was much of an improvement. I at least appreciate the attempt; although I think the main drive was about getting the large "Epyx" logo off the screen. The thing I didn't appreciate is that the game itself got downgraded in the conversion. It escapes me, right now, exactly what was left off of the cart version; but I believe it had to do with the options for gameplay, and possible one event (?). So, whenever I play it on cart, I go for the Atarimax conversion of the disk version of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

Well,

 

afaik the disk version of Summer Games can be played with up to 8 players - whereas the cart. version can only be played with a max. of 3 players. Both versions however miss an option in the menu: Choose several of the events you want! (You can only choose one event or all events, but not e.g. your favourite three events.)

 

Most pirated disk versions I had of Summer Games had a defect world records table with Control and other characters in it. (I also had several versions of Winter Events with a defect highscore or world records table, but I could easily repair it.)

 

[MrFish]

11 hours ago, xxl said:

Spelunker

 

10 hours ago, www.atarimania.com said:

Spelunker was never released on tape.

 

Probably what XXL is thinking about with Spelunker are the differences between the Micro GraphicImage release and the Broderbund release.

 

The Micro GraphicImage version had this title.

 

 

 

And the Broderbund version had this title, and some little animations for the various game credits.

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by MrFish

[MrFish]

7 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said:

afaik the disk version of Summer Games can be played with up to 8 players - whereas the cart. version can only be played with a max. of 3 players.

 

Yeah, alright... I thought there was something else different about the cart version that I didn't like.

 

[MrFish]

9 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said:

Most pirated disk versions I had of Summer Games had a defect world records table with Control and other characters in it. (I also had several versions of Winter Events with a defect highscore or world records table, but I could easily repair it.)

There's a thread on the forums where getting a version set up with a clean (empty) World Records table was done. Although at this point maybe a clean, original dump has been made too.

 

[MrFish]

23 minutes ago, MrFish said:

There's a thread on the forums where getting a version set up with a clean (empty) World Records table was done. Although at this point maybe a clean, original dump has been made too.

 

Here's the thread about the World Record table. "Empty", in this case, means the default records that came on a new copy of the game.

 

Summer Games

 

 

[Wrathchild]

Encounter! has 16K and 32K versions on tape and (just?) 32K on disk where there are enhanced graphics on the title page and a self-play demo added.

[sup8pdct]

On 11/13/2020 at 1:04 AM, zzip said:

Isn't the Frogger cassette code completely also different than the disk?    I have found three different versions of Frogger on Atari8,  the Parker Bros one, and two from Sierra.  I assume one of the Sierra ones was cassette.

Correct.

Wouldn't surprise me that both are completely different code. both look the same tho so something has to be shared, different memory locations tho.

 

James