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13 hours ago, RedWolfJC said:

This was on the discord page today. 

Yikes.

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There will always be some ham fist.  I like them very much and like Clint said, they nailed it.  They all seem to be a bit wobbly but it doesn't hinder game play at all.  With a four inch tall stick I'm actually surprised it isn't more wobbly as I would expect that as you get further from the axis.  BTW Clint, What kind of speakers are in your pic?  Do they sound as good as they look?

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On 1/8/2021 at 10:18 AM, justclaws said:

"This is NOT cheap plastic!"
He's very impressed with it, and says there is a lot of quality to it. Go see.
 

 

On any other os, if the spinner is seen as an analog axis it's not going to work properly with mame arcade tempest or arkanoid or any other game that uses a digital spinner.  Should work with mame arcade games that use an analog paddle e.g. super breakout, and of course the atari 2600 paddle games.  If it were seen as a mouse axis, it would work fine with all emulators.  It's not working with steam probably because the joystick is seen as a pov hat rather than an x/y axes.  Maybe it's different in xbox/xinput mode.  I also heard something about these controllers behaving differently between USB and bluetooth modes.

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Just for fun, I had my 66-year old dad actually try out the Atari VCS. He's not really a gamer at all, but he played Pong a few times back in the day and Donkey Kong in the arcades. He tried out the new VCS joystick in Pong and noticed that the paddle control had some "give" to it when it shouldn't. It was difficult for him to describe, but he said it made playing the games a lot harder/less enjoyable.

 

I think I know what he means, because it isn't very smooth when you turn the handle. I would expect the paddle functionality to feel like adjusting the volume control on a stereo receiver (if that makes sense xD).

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On 1/9/2021 at 10:49 AM, joeatari1 said:

BTW Clint, What kind of speakers are in your pic?  Do they sound as good as they look?

They're Creative Labs Pebble Speakers, like 20 bucks on Newegg. Very decent for basic lower level music and all-around listening, they have nice little sub-like mini woofers in the back that give them a little extra punch but for $20 you can't go wrong. If I'm ever feeling like blowing my ears off, I've got a nice pair of 80s headphones I can use :D

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maybe I'm different but I never gripped the stick with my fingertips.

 

I put the stick at the bottom of the V between thumb and index finger.  and if there was a ball on the stick, the V would be right underneath the ball.  Played this way with all the good sticks (and no, the atari stick gave me blisters):  Epyx 500XJ joystick, Slik Stik, and WICO Ergostick (looks like the Epyx but works better).

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I'm watching closely those new controllers, I think that in my case, would be much better than the VCS console itself (I have little space right now and need new controllers for my PC right now). Specially the modern controller seems a nice addition, albeit the classic joystick seems fun for playing some classic ones (I have the full Atari Vault collection on Steam).

 

Just asking: How works the classic controller outside the VCS? And how is the Modern controller in quality/price terms?

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I test the new controller and it paddle function.  Overall I thought it did a good job.  

 

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There have been a few times where I have caught myself pushing much harder on the stick than I intend to, I think it just comes naturally because that's how its been my whole life. Thankfully nothing has broken yet and hopefully that remains to be the case. Still love using it with the 7800 emulators.

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My appologies for the necrobump. Yeah I was that one of those goofballs who only backed the stick for $30.

 

I did a quick teardown and took pics of the internals. I was hoping to mod it to work with the old school atari, but no dice. There is nowhere to pull the connections from.

 

The joystick itself is pretty basic, digital button membranes, and the shaft has an optical grey encoder embedded in it. Three ribbons connect the battery, rumble motor, and encoder to the pcb.

 

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23 minutes ago, eobet said:

I am deeply disappointed with the quality.

 

 

Seems deeply subjective. So there's a little play in the stick, there's going to be, since it's also a paddle. Not sure what quality aspect otherwise you dislike since overall it's a really nice stick.

 

Lucky for you there seems to be plenty of people wanting to buy one, so... sell it.

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I have dozens of different first party controllers in my house, possibly more. 

 

These controllers, the joystick and modern style, are really nice high quality efforts all around.  The looks and feel quite slick in fact. 

 

My only gripe might be the dpad on the modern controller; just prefer the traditional cross style vs the big circle, but ymmv and really its a nit-pick.

 

Good job Atari!

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This is a nice video which reviews the VCS controllers and their use cases.
I think for people who only have one or the other, this may be very useful.
 

 

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Posted (edited)

This is also very interesting, about the classic controller, but it's more a programming topic, so...

 

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Now there's a link to an extended video in my later post below, also.
 

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Edit: Added reference to linked video - https://youtu.be/bpBjXCxH0Sw
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Eduardo has now put together a longer demo, for YouTube, with a link to source code.

This really demonstrates the scope of the controller, and the thought that went into it.
 

 

 

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