NISMOPC Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, zzip said: Do the BIOS changes you make under 21 keep when it upgrades to 23? Nope, but I was able to login to 23 bios tonight with the celebrate password and make changes. Happy happy joy joy ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus79001 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, NISMOPC said: Nope, but I was able to login to 23 bios tonight with the celebrate password and make changes. Happy happy joy joy ? Awesome. I am happy that I was able to sort this out and leave useful tips for the community which is helping out those with newly purchase Atari VCS consoles. This all tells me that Atari intentionally set a different BIOS password on the Black Walnut consoles. Hopefully they don't update all consoles at a later date to this new BIOS password that is unknown to the consumer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloatedToad Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 3:18 PM, Tidus79001 said: I'll send you the details in PM I would be interested as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus79001 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, BloatedToad said: I would be interested as well. I have sent the the link to via email where you can download the Atari OS Recovery media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus79001 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 4:22 PM, zzip said: Do the BIOS changes you make under 21 keep when it upgrades to 23? Not sure, but I would recommend verifying your setting in PC mode after the BIOS is updated back to as when version 23 was released earlier this year it was found to have some very odd behaviors where the setting that were made were made prior to the update were still in place when viewed in the BIOS but not actually being picked by the OS as verified when booting in PC mode. See the following thread for details on that issue and how to resolve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloatedToad Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Tidus79001 said: I have sent the the link to via email where you can download the Atari OS Recovery media. Thank you for the immense help, I was able to get Windows 10 installed on my M.2 SSD. You are a rock star, sir! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazRetroDomination Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 1:07 AM, Tidus79001 said: I have sent the the link to via email where you can download the Atari OS Recovery media. Hi there, I just got my Walnut console and am unable to install Batocera. Will what you have suggested work for me to install it? I'm so bummed out as I was looking forward to pimping this thing. I would appreciate the software to do this please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus79001 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 12 hours ago, DazRetroDomination said: Hi there, I just got my Walnut console and am unable to install Batocera. Will what you have suggested work for me to install it? I'm so bummed out as I was looking forward to pimping this thing. I would appreciate the software to do this please. Yes, I should work. I will send you details via PM, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloatedToad Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 15 hours ago, DazRetroDomination said: Hi there, I just got my Walnut console and am unable to install Batocera. Will what you have suggested work for me to install it? I'm so bummed out as I was looking forward to pimping this thing. I would appreciate the software to do this please. Tidus will take care of you How are you going to pimp this out? Explain in all your glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazRetroDomination Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 6 hours ago, BloatedToad said: Tidus will take care of you How are you going to pimp this out? Explain in all your glory Batocera and Steam OS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 11 hours ago, DazRetroDomination said: Batocera and Steam OS Let us know how Steam OS goes. I tried it a few years back on my regular PC and it was kind of a headache. Very picky about how your drive is partitioned, and felt like a buggy and incomplete distribution. I found it easier to install Steam on a more mainstream distribution. Hopefully SteamOS has improved dramatically since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoyx Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 15 hours ago, DazRetroDomination said: Batocera and Steam OS Steam OS isn't being maintained. There is a new Steam OS supposedly coming out when the Steam Deck is released. Wait for that or install ChimeraOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloatedToad Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 10:48 PM, DazRetroDomination said: Batocera and Steam OS How did Batocera go? I have Windows 10 on mine, I've always bought my licenses from cdk offers (no connection to them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Long time Atarian, new to the Black Walnut VCS as of yesterday. I have the .23 BIOS and no passwords work. I see there is a fix to downgrade the BIOS. How do I do that, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 21 hours ago, IndyJones1023 said: Long time Atarian, new to the Black Walnut VCS as of yesterday. I have the .23 BIOS and no passwords work. I see there is a fix to downgrade the BIOS. How do I do that, please? Several of the people who reported this password issue have reported that the password starts working after a few days. Not sure what the trigger is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 hours ago, zzip said: Several of the people who reported this password issue have reported that the password starts working after a few days. Not sure what the trigger is. That is kind of whacky. I honestly haven't tried it since it changed, since I put Debian on mine, and it supports Secure Boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I don't see how a BIOS password could possibly work after a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoyx Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 10:58 AM, IndyJones1023 said: Long time Atarian, new to the Black Walnut VCS as of yesterday. I have the .23 BIOS and no passwords work. I see there is a fix to downgrade the BIOS. How do I do that, please? Interested in this also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox42 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Zoyx said: Interested in this also. Likewise, haven't had any luck with any of the passwords posted, and secure boot is being a pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 12/25/2021 at 12:01 PM, IndyJones1023 said: I don't see how a BIOS password could possibly work after a few days. It is weird, but I have seen more than one person complain about no passwords working, and then one day they can suddenly get into BIOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 47 minutes ago, zzip said: It is weird, but I have seen more than one person complain about no passwords working, and then one day they can suddenly get into BIOS Well, these days BIOS is kind of the wrong term anyhow. Think of UEFI as more of an embedded operating system in its own right. Most modern ones can actually be updated on their own. Not saying the Atari one does, this seems more to me about typos... you know the Occam's Razor thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus79001 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) On 12/24/2021 at 10:58 AM, IndyJones1023 said: Long time Atarian, new to the Black Walnut VCS as of yesterday. I have the .23 BIOS and no passwords work. I see there is a fix to downgrade the BIOS. How do I do that, please? On 12/25/2021 at 12:01 PM, IndyJones1023 said: I don't see how a BIOS password could possibly work after a few days. The BIOS password requires flashing the BIOS back to 1.0.21 to set it the password that it out in the wild. The guide and recovery image can be be found at the following link. For the most part the guide is not very useful other than to tell you how to create the recovery flash drive, so I would refer to for those steps https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pgC39vlSaK-8am4cbGKLgQrnKILRU1iK?usp=sharing There are steps you have to do that aren't in the guide, and you will need a keyboard connected to your Atari VCS to complete these steps. If you don't have a keyboard it will only flash the Atari OS not resolve the issue. You need to use the keyboard and select the flash BIOS option from the menu that appears on the screen when you power on your Atari VCS with the Atari OS Recovery USB drive the you created from the downloaded image (if you don't select anything then it will just flash the Atari OS). From the menu select "BIOS Upgrade & Reset Settings (VCS21)" and press the Enter key using the keyboard that you have connected to your Atari VCS. This process will downgrade the BIOS from 1.0.23 to 1.0.21 (the BIOS will automatically get updated again to 1.0.23 the next the the Atari VCS boot into the Atari OS). You shouldn't need to reimage the Atari OS, but I did that as my first step before the BIOS. If you find just flashing the BIOS doesn't work then reimage the Atari OS, power off & then on again and flash the Atari VCS BIOS before the system boots into the Atari OS. After then boot into the Atari OS and let the system update the BIOS. Once done you should be able to access the BIOS using the Atari Celebrate password. Edited December 27, 2021 by Tidus79001 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox42 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tidus79001 said: The BIOS password requires flashing the BIOS back to 1.0.21 to set it the password that it out in the wild. The guide and recovery image can be be found at the following link. For the most part the guide is not very useful other than to tell you how to create the recovery flash drive, so I would refer to for those steps https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pgC39vlSaK-8am4cbGKLgQrnKILRU1iK?usp=sharing There are steps you have to do that aren't in the guide, and you will need a keyboard connected to your Atari VCS to complete these steps. If you don't have a keyboard it will only flash the Atari OS not resolve the issue. You need to use the keyboard and select the flash BIOS option from the menu that appears on the screen when you power on your Atari VCS with the Atari OS Recovery USB drive the you created from the downloaded image (if you don't select anything then it will just flash the Atari OS). From the menu select "BIOS Upgrade & Reset Settings (VCS21)" and press the Enter key using the keyboard that you have connected to your Atari VCS. This process will downgrade the BIOS from 1.0.23 to 1.0.21 (the BIOS will automatically get updated again to 1.0.23 the next the the Atari VCS boot into the Atari OS). You shouldn't need to reimage the Atari OS, but I did that as my first step before the BIOS. If you find just flashing the BIOS doesn't work then reimage the Atari OS, power off & then on again and flash the Atari VCS BIOS before the system boots into the Atari OS. After then boot into the Atari OS and let the system update the BIOS. Once done you should be able to access the BIOS using the Atari Celebrate password. Thanks a ton, quick and worked like a charm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate P Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Tidus79001 said: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pgC39vlSaK-8am4cbGKLgQrnKILRU1iK?usp=sharing The link here doesn't seem to be working anymore. It says the file doesn't exist. Is there an updated link for that version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justclaws Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Tidus79001 said: The BIOS requires flashing the BIOS back to 1.0.21 to set it that it out in the wild. Thanks for the tip, but this statement can be a bit misleading, as it does not apply for everybody. I, and many others, have the 1.0.23 BIOS, and the "celebrates" password (out in the wild, listed above), works 100% with our VCS. At the same time, a BIOS downgrade for some people with problems, for sure is a solution. My conclusion on this is that (some of) the latest batch of VCS systems from the factory, come with a new password and latest BIOS. Older systems, like mine, had an older BIOS originally, got the Atari "celebrates" password, and kept it with the 1.0.23 upgrade. Presumably if the people who downgraded to get the known password, then upgrade, there would also be no change, after upgrade. The 1.0.23 upgrade in itself does not reset the BIOS password, so that's the only explanation I can think of. Presumably Atari don't know about the discrepancy from the factory, with some units, and that's why they keep giving the "celebrates" password to user who ask. I think that is also what you say, in your explanation, but it's not 100% clear, so I am just confirming that. (An Atari contact I made, also confirmed that there was no password change, as far as they are concerned.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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