The!Cart on 800 with "fix" and Incognito installed not working?

[Gunstar]

I was attempting to use The!Cart on my Incognito 800 for the first time today since installing the Incognito and having done the "fix" for The!Cart/MyIDE II shown here https://www.wudsn.com/index.php/productions-atari800/tools/thecart/atari-800-fix at the same time. But neither The!Cart or my MyIDE II work when inserted. I just get a black screen.

 

Now any other cartridge I try works fine, as does everything else. I have Basic disabled in both the BIOS and the Side Loader (which I also have disabled anyway for testing these carts). I'm in XL/XE mode with 1088K Rambo and stock XL/XE, SpartaDOS X disabled, hard disk disabled and PBI enabled, but nothing is attached to the PBI at this time. I did the "fix" correctly, cutting the RAS signal trace from the left cart slot and attaching a wire between A and S pins on the right slot. Now I haven't opened the 800 up again yet to make sure the wire on the right slot didn't come loose or something yet, I wanted to find out if it's something else first, before I start taking it apart again to check.

 

Should it work? Or are there additional incompatibilities with Incognito and The!Cart anyway?

Edited January 28 by Gunstar

[+Stephen]

@Gunstar - can you also crosspost this (or reference this post) in the thread here

 

This way candle can track the issue, and if it is a bug, work on a fix.

[_The Doctor__]

not exactly, the fix should work, there also was a firmware fix for one cart or another that solved timing issues without changing the signal. Doing both makes for a rock solid interface.

I would definitely double check your work and make sure the wire is not cold or that there wasn't a case of mirroring when reading and applying the fix

 

[Tempest]

I use The!Cart with my Incognito 800.  Once you do the fix it should work, so I'm guessing something went wrong with the fix.

[Gunstar]

4 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said:

not exactly, the fix should work, there also was a firmware fix for one cart or another that solved timing issues without changing the signal. Doing both makes for a rock solid interface.

I would definitely double check your work and make sure the wire is not cold or that there wasn't a case of mirroring when reading and applying the fix

 

I will definitely double check, since I know it should work now, but it definitely isn't a case of mirroring, I made sure of that while doing the mod; I've made that mistake more than once with other mods & upgrades over the years with lots of trouble shooting before I realized, so I've long since learned my lesson and probably over check that with every thing I do now, and I'll be doing it again here, even though I know that's not the case, because I won't be able to help myself!

 

I'll look into the firmware fix and do it if it is for The!Cart, and eventually I'll make sure my MyIDE II is up to date. but it goes with my 1200XL system and it's down for another round of upgrades since I pretty much finished my 800. MyIDE II was only used for testing this mod when The!Cart didn't work and there's no reason to use it with the 800 that now has Side Loader CF and a Fujinet SD, having both of them is already over-kill. Thanks for the tip.

Edited January 29 by Gunstar

[Gunstar]

3 hours ago, Tempest said:

I use The!Cart with my Incognito 800.  Once you do the fix it should work, so I'm guessing something went wrong with the fix.

It is most likely a broken wire issue or cold solder issue then. Because I make damn sure I'm in the right location before I go cutting traces! And as I said, my computer is working perfectly fine in all other aspects, and if I cut the wrong trace, I'd probably not have any cart working in or there would be some issue with them anyway that I'd have noticed. Thanks!

Edited January 29 by Gunstar

[Gunstar]

Well. just after leaving these posts above, it occurred to me to try unplugging my Fujinet device from my 800 SIO...The!Cart and MyIDE II work with it removed and I get a black screen with it inserted, even with it switched off. So apparently these carts and Fujinet are totally incompatible being plugged in at the same time, at least on my upgraded 800 with Incognito. So I guess I'll re-post this issue in the Fujinet forum and see if others have this issue and what machines they are using,etc. And go from there.

Edited January 29 by Gunstar

[_The Doctor__]

is your fujinet usb powered?

 

[Gunstar]

Of course, but I've been doing some further testing, and I did get The!Cart to work with Fujinet plugged in, both off and on. There is some other issue and now it seems to have to do with the CF card being plugged into the Incognito. If I take it out, The!Cart now works with or without Fujinet connected or not and powered on or not. However, this is not true with MyIDE II, it just won't work with CF card in or out of Incognito or Fujinet plugged in or not, powered up or not. So something is screwy, I'll just have to go over everything again...

 

The reason I found this out in the first place, is because I never got around to installing APT or FAT partions on a card I bought for Incognito, because I've been using the CF card out of the MyIDE II for Incognito because it was all set-up and works perfectly well in all aspects with the Incognito's Side Loader too. So I had the un-initialized CF card in the MyIDE II cart the first time I was testing, it, and thought I'd try it's own card. Though that didn't work either for MyIDE II but The!Cart started working fine as I stated above, when the CF card was removed from the Incognito. Again, the HDD and Side Loader and SDX are all disabled on Incognito and I have checked all the settings several times to make sure and have been re-attempting the CF card in Incognito and not, over and over. The!Cart works with CF card removed, MyIDE II doesn't work no matter what. This computer has been working perfectly for months now with everything else, And still is.

 

As it stands, The!Cart has been working fine after about a dozen retries with and without Fujinet since I first mention it working without Fujinet, as long as the CF card is not in the Incognito, with CF installed, black screen, with MyIDE II, it just won't work at all.

 

Edit, strike that, I just got MyIDE II working, but only if there is no CF card in the Incognito and no SD card in Fujinet.  It's some kind of clash between the memory cards (or maybe I should say flash memory since The!Cart is involved), between Incognito/Fujinet/MyIDE II they all work together as long as only MyIDE II has a memory card installed, and between Incognito/The!Cart as long as there's no CF in Incognito. When I removed the SD card and CF card from Fujinet and Incognito, but have Fujinet plugged in, both on and off, MyIDE II works as well. With The!Cart, I only need to remove the CF from Incognito, it works fine with the SD in Fujinet still. But neither The!Cart or MyIDE II will work with the CF card in the Incognito. These tests are all being done with HDD, SIDE LOADER, SDX and BASIC all disabled on Incognito in XL/XE mode, 1088K Rambo and XL/XE stock OS.

Edited January 29 by Gunstar

[_The Doctor__]

pick 320k compy and try again

 

[Gunstar]

Hmm...there's no option on system ram for 320K Compy.  There's straight 64K, 576K Compy, 320K and 1088K Rambo.Incognito BIOS is 3.10. But I'll test with 576K Compy first, then all others.

 

I've now tested with all different memory configurations with everything else set as disabled like before, as well as PBI disabled. It's the same no matter what. No other CF or SD cards installed and The!Cart and MyIDE II work fine, any other cards installed, both work the same as stated in the BOLD in my previous post. Maybe it's the cards I'm using. CF card(s) are Sandisk Ultras, SD card for Fujinet is PQI. They work fine with my system except when trying to use The!Cart and MyIDE II. But in the end, I'm fine removing CF card in Incognito to use The!Cart and MyIDE II is a non-issue since I won't normally be using it with this system anyway. I'm not going to worry about trying to find memory cards that do work if it is the brand.

 

Thanks for the help @_The Doctor__ and @Tempest.

Edited January 29 by Gunstar