atari181 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) So I thought i might have an un-documented gem in ths lot https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-2600-Lot-All-51-Game-Cartridges-Cleaned-Tested-Working-No-Doubles/274709693431?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I recieved the games today and 3 of them are obvious reproduction labels, Hunt and score being the worst. The seller said he purchased these in an estate sale. I did notice that he immeadiately listed another lot with another hut and score in it as well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-2600-Lot-All-51-Game-Cartridges-Cleaned-Tested-Working-No-Doubles/274709693431?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I will updates some pictures from my phone in a bit. I thought I recognized the Ebay name and I think he is an "Atari" guy who is trying to pull one over on people. I contacted Ebay and asked for a refund/return. Edited March 17, 2021 by atari181 Adding pics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 just got a reply from the seller and was told he would refund me $2.60 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Easy one here, not as described. Seller pays for return shipping and 100 percent refund. Edited March 17, 2021 by AtariBrian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I have a FB friend from the AA group the "SWEARS" he had a Hunt & Score Picture Label cart at some point in his collection but can't find or thinks he accidently sold it. He claims it had yellow letters like the Corp Blackjack. Like this. He doesn't remember if it was Corp or Inc but he SWEARS he had one. I told him it isn't likely since it's not listed in Phil's variations. I made this for him...He said yep it looked just like that. (I made it via the Atari Corp era along with the incorrect controller info they were notorious for.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I would also like to add I am pretty positive that this is the seller that used to sell Activision 2600 carts with brand new labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, AtariBrian said: I would also like to add I am pretty positive that this is the seller that used to sell Activision 2600 carts with brand new labels. The sellers name seem familiar also for some reason. Also it looks like he has "upped" his repro game. The one you bought the H&S has square corners. The new one looks like he rounded the label corners on the front label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 dude... that sucks. They're getting sneakier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Crazy Climber said: dude... that sucks. They're getting sneakier. Yep, sneak it in with a bunch of other carts. And my guess a few of the other high bidders were trying for it for the same reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Those pics are great. The labels look nice. TOO NICE. Where is the date emboss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Cade Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) That is a really really good job... wow. Usually the fakes are pretty sloppy. Edited March 17, 2021 by R.Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 After I responded to his offer of a $2.60 refund I called his Bullshit and told him he needed to take a full return. He immediately approved the return. He obviously knows and is faking labels. Unfortunately, I have to wait 7 days to leave negative feedback, which means some unsuspecting bidders will be bidding on the second lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Not unless other people buy the lots and do the same thing as you... it could get expensive for him returning every single lot to and from the buyer on his expense! ?? Edited March 17, 2021 by AtariBrian 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, AtariBrian said: Not unless other people buy the lots and do the same thing as you... it could get expensive for him returning every single lot to and from the buyer on his expense! ?? I hope so, but, unfortunately, Brian, you as well as I know, not everyone is as keen as you and I. I would guess that at least half the people would throw it in the collection without a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) He should sell labels! Edited March 17, 2021 by hizzy 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballblaɀer Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Yes, this seller has done this before. I don't remember what specifically I spotted in the past, but the name rang a bell, and... yep, same person. Glad you were able to get a return approved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ballblaɀer said: Yes, this seller has done this before. I don't remember what specifically I spotted in the past, but the name rang a bell, and... yep, same person. Glad you were able to get a return approved. Nice catch Rob! Both times. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, AtariBrian said: I would also like to add I am pretty positive that this is the seller that used to sell Activision 2600 carts with brand new labels. After talking with another member here, yes, he was selling Activision games with perfect labels. Amazing that he has 100% feedback. Ebay makes it so hard to give neg feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 hours ago, atari181 said: So I thought i might have an un-documented gem in ths lot The ampersand is a red flag. These labels are nice, but veteran 2600 enthusiasts instantly recognize them as fake as shit. Subtle differences give them away--they're too glossy; the text alignment is slightly off and the color is oversaturated on the Defender; title text on Space Invaders should be orange, not red; and by the time Atari switched to picture labels, Hunt & Score had already been renamed Game of Concentration for at least a year. 5 hours ago, groundtrooper said: I have a FB friend from the AA group the "SWEARS" he had a Hunt & Score Picture Label cart at some point in his collection but can't find or thinks he accidently sold it. He claims it had yellow letters like the Corp Blackjack. Like this. He doesn't remember if it was Corp or Inc but he SWEARS he had one. I told him it isn't likely since it's not listed in Phil's variations. I made this for him...He said yep it looked just like that. (I made it via the Atari Corp era along with the incorrect controller info they were notorious for.) Your friend can swear all he wants, but I'm confident that he is mistaken. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 hours ago, BassGuitari said: The ampersand is a red flag. These labels are nice, but veteran 2600 enthusiasts instantly recognize them as fake as shit. Subtle differences give them away--they're too glossy; the text alignment is slightly off and the color is oversaturated on the Defender; title text on Space Invaders should be orange, not red; and by the time Atari switched to picture labels, Hunt & Score had already been renamed Game of Concentration for at least a year. . ? Not sure this dick needs a list of things to change next time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, atari181 said: Not sure this dick needs a list of things to change next time. Fair point! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithbk Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I have an "Off the Wall" with a torn end-label. I really want to replace it, but these discussions make me nervous. The cart is completely authentic, but the torn end-label totally bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+groundtrooper Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 22 hours ago, BassGuitari said: Your friend can swear all he wants, but I'm confident that he is mistaken. ? I agree and told him so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I’ve noticed replacement labels being regularly sold lately. While I understand some wanting to update bad looking labels for their own use, I’m seeing labels like the green label flag capture and the pic Sears Superman. Basically turning a $5 game into a multi hundred dollar game with a little deception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) The seller is a member of some of the Facebook groups dedicated to retrogaming(AA included) His Name is J. W Robertson III. I would be wary of any transactions with him outside of Ebay. Edited March 19, 2021 by CPUWIZ Shortened name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow460 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Here's a real Sears Defender cartridge. This is the clearest I could get it. The cartridge was made in May of 1982. I can't speak for the other games, though in close to 30 years of collecting I've seen enough that it would not surprise me if Space Invaders had red text at some point from either Sears OR Atari. I've discussed here on the forums how to verify authenticity of Atari and Sears games. The same photo is posted on Facebook. The proof is faint here but you can definitely see it if you blow up the image. John M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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