John Stamos Mullet Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 17 hours ago, SearsRoebuck said: Ah, yes, I almost bought the mini too - why do I need component? I asked. Good thing I had second thoughts about the mini at the last second. Sounds like you're going to have to upgrade no matter what. I'm actually contemplating selling the whole rig and just sticking with emulation on the Retropie. Just too much hassle for not enough gain. Sega SMS/Genesis/32x/CD emulation is pretty much perfect on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbda1978 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Hey guys, my 7800 has this S-Video mod. I haven’t been able to try it out on a real CRT, but the modder sent me a picture of it outputting fine. unfortunately, I’m getting a weird color issue on my 5x. Could this just be the S-Video cable or how the cartridge was seated? Here’s what it looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Nbda1978 said: unfortunately, I’m getting a weird color issue on my 5x. Could this just be the S-Video cable or how the cartridge was seated? The RetroTINK 5X-Pro is new enough that it's hard to know where to start. Do all games look like that? Or just the one cart has issues? Does composite video look the same? I would guess it's a RetroTINK 5X-Pro issue, as your picture looks like inverted colors rather than signal noise. Have you played with any of the RetroTINK 5X-Pro configuration settings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 11:31 AM, MrZarniwoop said: The RetroTINK 5X-Pro has a triple buffering mode which, when enabled, means it should handle dynamic resolution/scanline changes ok. But curious to see if that's really the case. I'm also extremely curious of how it handles Atari 2600 and 7800 resolution and scanline changes. I currently run my RGB modded Atari 2600 and SVideo modded Atari 7800 through a Framemeister and a lot of times I when load a game using the Harmony, Concerto, Dragonfly or even a plain old cartridge I have to wait 5-10 seconds for the Framemeister to sort itself out so the video can come back from changing resolutions/scanlines. I would buy a RetroTINK 5X in a heartbeat if it's confirmed that it can perform rock solid video output from both the 2600 & 7800 so there are no dropouts. I'm guessing once more get into the hands of people with 2600/7800s we'll have some more results available. - James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: I'm also extremely curious of how it handles Atari 2600 and 7800 resolution and scanline changes. I currently run my RGB modded Atari 2600 and SVideo modded Atari 7800 through a Framemeister and a lot of times I when load a game using the Harmony, Concerto, Dragonfly or even a plain old cartridge I have to wait 5-10 seconds for the Framemeister to sort itself out so the video can come back from changing resolutions/scanlines. I would buy a RetroTINK 5X in a heartbeat if it's confirmed that it can perform rock solid video output from both the 2600 & 7800 so there are no dropouts. I'm guessing once more get into the hands of people with 2600/7800s we'll have some more results available. - James My experience experimenting with the Framemeister is that is handles dynamic scanlines fine, but does not handle video timing changes. In particular, the weird interlaced modes going back to 240p knock it out to resync for much longer than the OSSC or RetroTINK 2X products. But, the Framemeister beats them in handling dynamic scanline counts without resyncing (in SYNC OFF mode), OSSC being second best there (if configured with highest thresholds), and RetroTINK 2X the worst (and unconfigurable). The RetroTINK 5X triple buffering is described to handle 480i/480p transitions without resync delay, which happens on some PS2 games. That's not exactly the Atari 2600 in Buck Rodgers and a few other scenarios, but it gives hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orange808 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 For the curious, Fudoh has a review out there that's actually worth reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, orange808 said: For the curious, Fudoh has a review out there that's actually worth reading. Fudoh's Review RetroRGB Bob's Video Review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: I'm also extremely curious of how it handles Atari 2600 and 7800 resolution and scanline changes. This reddit post on a cartridge-slotted Atari Flashback 2 says: "I did not have a signal drop when playing games with a lot of screen transitions or full screen psychedelic effects that the 70s/80s loved." So far so good. But still not seen a deep dive anywhere with a 2600/7800. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) I only have a 7800, but no Dragonfly yet. I do have a Harmony Encore. What are some challenging/sync issue 2600 games to test out? Make me a list. I have a 5X and I may be able to do a quick video/test. Edited May 21, 2021 by dlmartins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SearsRoebuck Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, dlmartins said: I only have a 7800, but no Dragonfly yet. I do have a Harmony Encore. What are some challenging/sync issue 2600 games to test out? Make me a list. I have a 5X and I may be able to do a quick video/test. Asteroids Moon Patrol Buck Rogers Empire Strikes Back This is a longshot, but I also want to see tests with s-video modded Genesises/32xs. Some unmodded Genesises have problems with the 2x even with just composite though. I have to use HD retrovision cables with my 32x set up or I get 'rolling' colors in svideo mode (and B&W in composite). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I’ll work on a video test when I log off work today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, dlmartins said: I only have a 7800, but no Dragonfly yet. I do have a Harmony Encore. What are some challenging/sync issue 2600 games to test out. I have a 5X and I may be able to do a quick video/test. - SwordQuest - Fireworld This would be a great one to test as it is constantly changing scanline count when you go in and out of the games. Here's a very full list of original 2600 titles and their scanline count. Probably any that you see on the list that have a variety of scanline count range would be good tests. - James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: - SwordQuest - Fireworld This would be a great one to test as it is constantly changing scanline count when you go in and out of the games. Here's a very full list of original 2600 titles and their scanline count. Probably any that you see on the list that have a variety of scanline count range would be good tests. - James Unfortunately it’s not *only* scanline changes that throw off the RetroTink 2X-Pro. Starmaster, for instance, flat refuses to show an image at all on any of my modern TV’s through the Tink, and SW:ESB gets flummoxed when you destroy a Walker. I think @RevEng told me in another thread it was due to an inconsistent HSYNC in the display kernel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 First report of RetroTINK-5X Pro on a 2600RGB: And, a good sign, this is with the triple-buffering which I think is what will allow for stability with video sync changes: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Here's a quick-ish video running through some of the games listed. I hope this helps. Atari 2600 game testing (via 7800) on Retrotink 5X Pro - YouTube 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, dlmartins said: Here's a quick-ish video running through some of the games listed. I hope this helps. Atari 2600 game testing (via 7800) on Retrotink 5X Pro - YouTube Thank you so much for doing this, very impressive! The RetroTINK 5X handles it like a champ and does the best it can with the out of spec signals that are being sent to it. There's definitely no massively long drop outs like there are on the Framemeister. I'm convinced, I'll be picking one up when they become available again! - James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 The issue with Moon Patrol is the title screen not being displayed or displayed properly as I understand it. But you dropped straight into the game so didn't have a means to really see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SearsRoebuck Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, dlmartins said: Here's a quick-ish video running through some of the games listed. I hope this helps. Atari 2600 game testing (via 7800) on Retrotink 5X Pro - YouTube Ah. It did the drop the 2x does with Asteroids...so it isn't perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, -^CrossBow^- said: The issue with Moon Patrol is the title screen not being displayed or displayed properly as I understand it. But you dropped straight into the game so didn't have a means to really see that. Here's a quick one of the title screen. Sorry for not showing that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, SearsRoebuck said: Ah. It did the drop the 2x does with Asteroids...so it isn't perfect. There have been various firmware updates... and it's FPGA so Mike Chi can add actual functionality although this is new to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orange808 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrZarniwoop said: There have been various firmware updates... and it's FPGA so Mike Chi can add actual functionality although this is new to him. That's partially true. Marqs has cautioned that some issues are due to the digitizing hardware and that isn't completely implemented by the FPGA. Marqs shared that he specifically hunted for a more robust solution for the upcoming OSSC Pro. I know Chi will do his best, but it partially depends on the hardware. Skeptics would be better served to wait. We will have to wait and see what's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 So does it work with Starmaster, or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 6 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: So does it work with Starmaster, or not? If I get some time tonight, I’ll give this a shot and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmartins Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 10 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: So does it work with Starmaster, or not? Seemed okay to me, but I'm not sure if this is like Moon Patrol and only certain parts are problematic. I'm not very familiar with this game, so the gameplay is shameful and I had to mess with the difficulty switches, etc. I hope this helps. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, dlmartins said: Seemed okay to me, but I'm not sure if this is like Moon Patrol and only certain parts are problematic With the 2X-Pro, the game doesn't even show an image on any of my modern flat-panel TV's, so that's a major improvement from my perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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